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- Decentralization is a core focus, empowering users with control over their data and assets.
- Tari enables seamless integration of powerful features into user-friendly applications.
Behind the Mic
Beginning of Relaxation
Just take a nice breath in. Exhale that breath. Just allow yourself now to relax more and more. Because the nicest thing about hypnosis is that wonderful feeling of physical and mental relaxation that can now spread throughout your entire body. Because from this moment in time, there's nothing of importance for you to do except relax. Relaxed. Just take a nice breath in, exhale that breath. Just allow yourself now to relax more and more. Because the nicest thing about hypnosis is that wonderful feeling of physical and mental relaxation that can now spread throughout your entire body. Because from this moment in time, there's nothing of importance for you to do except relaxed.
Transition to the Twitter Space
Is that the end of the song? I think it's the end of the song. Hello and welcome to yet another Tari Twitter space where I am solo for a little bit because Naveen is running late, so I'm not going to read poetry. We already played that joke out last week, but what we are going to talk about is a bunch of really interesting things. And the first one is the Murad Zach XBT drama, because I think that's hilarious. And I sort of saw both sides of this play out because on the one hand, and for those who don't know, the drama was that Zack posted a bunch of Murad's, ethereum addresses so that you can watch what meme coins he's buying and so on. and then there were a bunch of people who piled on Zack and they were like, well, you can't dox his wallets because that's really dangerous.
Discussion on Wallet Doxing
But the reality is that, like, his stuff's not particularly difficult to find. Firstly, and he speaks about, like, you know, what he has and how many tokens he has. So there's a lot of data that you can infer from that as well. But I think the very notion of, like, doxxing wallets seems silly and is entirely connected to the surveillance chain culture that we've created. So I'm not entirely buying the idea that what Zack did was net negative. I mean, if ethereum people don't know how to use a block explorer, I feel like that's on them and not on anyone else. So that was drama that happened, and Zack stood his ground, which I think was important.
ENS Integration with Google
And then the other thing that happened, you know, that's surveillance chain related, which is also kind of, I mean, it's not really funny, but, like, it's. It's kind of humorous, is that Ens has integrated with Google. And I know that this was something that we knew was coming. It's, it had been spoken about before, but now it's live. And so you can google someone's Ethereum address that went live a little while ago. You can now Google someone's ens and get data on them, whether it's a link to Etherscan or something, the equivalent of a Google card. And I think that's just super, super frustrating because at the end of the day, people that use Ethereum should know that they are using a surveillance chain, but a lot of them don't acknowledge it, or they like to live in ignorance.
Public Perceptions of Privacy
They like to think that their stuff is not particularly public. And I think that this really reveals a lot about how accessible this information is, because it's one thing to go, well, my bank account information is private, and you can live in your little, like, my bank account information is private bubble because it kind of is private. You know what I mean? Like, no one's getting that information without a subpoena. But to live in naivety and say, my ethereum or bitcoin or any of these chains information is private is just not, it's totally false. Firstly. But I also think people in general don't realize how trivial it is for a motivated attacker to get this information. It's not just governments or law enforcement or three letter agencies that can access chain analysis and other tools like that.
Sophistication of Information Gathering
I mean, we're talking about fairly obvious pieces of information that are highly accessible through Google now. Hey, Mike. Yo. I thought I would keep you company up here. Thank you for joining. So what are your thoughts on all this? Well, firstly, what are your thoughts on the Zach and Murad drama? Oh, this is a tough one. I think that you kind of know what you're getting yourself into when you start to use, you know, a solana or an ethereum, like, you're putting yourself out there. I personally don't. I've never been a huge advocate or huge believer that I have to, like, have tons of anonymous wallets. So I haven't lived by that lifestyle. So to get upset that somebody exposed all of his wallets on a chain where you kind of knew what you're getting yourself into, I think is a little absurd.
Ethics of Doxing
At the same time, I also think that maybe he's not a great human and that he's pumping and dumping tokens on people and shilling things. So to kind of bring that to the surface is, you know, it's kind of par for the course. And I think the people who get upset with me for that comment are people who are, you know, bag holding their own bags because they were shelled them type of thing. So. Yeah, I don't really feel a certain way. Yeah, no, I tend to agree. You know, I mean, it's like, a lot of. It's just deeply ironic. And. And I think that it's not a. Not a bad thing that this thing comes to light, and Naveen has made it. Hello, Naveen.
Concerns About Privacy and Safety
I am through security. I'm through with the cavity search. I have made it alive. So congratulations and congratulations to all the ENS holders who now have an official integration with Google. And now when you search for an ENS name, you get fully doxxed, including your balance. It's fucking awesome. Grow. Go, Google. It's very special. Go, ens. You know, I just. I think it's really incredible that we continue to invent new forms of surveillance in our industry. You know, I was watching minority report the other day, and I was just thinking, wow, we're getting close to this, man.
Reflections on Minority Report
You know, we just need those three, like, what do they call them? The three souls. Yeah, yeah, the ones that are, like, in the milk. In the bath. Temple of milk. Yeah, yeah. The three girls, Agatha and then the two guys. Right. It's Agatha and the two guys. Yeah. And I was just thinking to myself, I was like, well, fuck, we just. You know, why worry about those three guys when you have Vitalik, you know? I mean, you know, Vitalik's all you need. Also, who knew that minority report was a documentary? Yeah, it's the documentary of Ethereum. It's really quite remarkable, but it really is.
The Impact of Fame and Data Accessibility
I mean, it's aged really well, you know, as a movie. I mean, you've got plenty of Tom Cruise scared face. We've talked about this before, but, you know, just so the audience knows, like, the reason why Tom Cruise is paid $20 million a film plus back end is because of his scared face. You know, he has the best scared face of any top tier actor in the world, and there's plenty of it on display in minority report. I have a joke that in the contract, when Tom Cruise does a film, he has, like, a set amount of time that he does the scared face. You know, it's like, I will do the scared face for exactly 22 seconds in this film.
Analyzing Data Collection Practices
But there's a lot of it going on in minority poor. Let me tell you, a lot of it. It's pretty funny. And I think the thing just before you joined, the thing that I was talking about is how that data isn't just the purview of law enforcement agencies and governments. It's any attacker that has access to Google, which is all of them. Yeah, totally. I mean, it really doesn't make, I just don't understand why they're advertising it as something that like, is something to be celebrated. And I think we're still in the part of the industry or the phase of the industry where it's like any validation by a large tech company is considered to be good.
Criticism of Google's Role
So it's like, oh my God, guys, Google's paying attention to us. That means we must be real, you know? And it's like, yeah, but Google's fucking evil, man. And it's not a good integration. It's not an integration to celebrate. It's something to, like, to fight against. I just don't understand. I really don't understand why everyone's so excited about it. You know? To me it's giving, like you remember back in the day when token projects would announce a partnership with Microsoft because they got like a biz talk license and then got like some free Windows licenses and like credits for Microsoft's cloud platform, Azure.
Analogy of Partnerships
And then they'd be like, oh, we've partnered with Microsoft. It's like that. It's just nonsense. Yeah, totally. Yeah, totally. Yeah. And then back to the Zach XBT meets Maraud thing. I think that, like, again, this just speaks to a problem in the industry, right? Like, I think there's a lot of people who believe that blockchains are inherently transparent and they don't realize this is actually like an implementation decision. It's like a design choice for it to be transparent.
Risks of Transparency
It doesn't have to be transparent, but if it is going to be transparent, then you run the risk of essentially anyone doxxing you know, especially someone as sophisticated as Zack XBT. And I think it's dangerous, though. Like, I feel bad for Murad. It's like, you know, Zach thinks he's doing a public service. Like, hey, here's a guy who, you know, is a meme coin pumper and, you know, everyone should know, like when he's dumping on his followers, I think that's like Zach's point of view from Marad's point of view.
Consequences of Doxing
If I were Marad, I'd be like livid because it's a personal safety issue now. It's like he's doxxed. Everyone knows what he looks like. He's got a terrible haircut, but put that aside. And now everybody knows, like, he's got $24 million in his wallets. And that sucks. I'm. That totally sucks. Like, now it's like a safety issue for this guy, you know? So I don't know. I just think, like, I just think this whole thing of, like, oh, well, you know, this.
Safety Risks in the Crypto Industry
This person might be a bad actor, so we're going to dox them. You know, it's like when Arkham intelligence came out, it's like, you know, that is like the shittiest of shitty products for the exact same reason. It's like, hey, we're now going to incentivize you to dox people in the interest and in the interest of public safety or something. And I just think that sucks. And that's, like a shitty world to live in. It's like. It's like, gotcha.
Questioning Safety Narratives
It's like every step you go, it's like, gotcha. That's what it. That's what it feels like to me. And what do you think? Can I ask why, you know, you called out, it's a safety issue because he has 20 million in his wallet? Is it? Is it because, you know, you think people are going to break into his house and then, you know, make him forcibly transfer things from his treasure? Because $20 million in a bank account doesn't bat an eyelash at that.
Discussion on Wealth and Safety
You can walk through most wealthy neighborhoods and people have 20 million in the bank. Yeah, I mean, it opens up you up to, like, you know, what do they call it, Rick? Like a dollar five wrench attack? You know, it's like, yeah, you know, go ahead, Rick. So, yes, it does. But, like, I mean, we're also talking about somebody who, like, has actively flaunted that and spoken about how much he has. So I guess my.
Examination of Public Behavior
My question is, what's, like, what's changed? Like, what's different when he flaunts it versus when somebody says, okay, well, these are his wallet addresses, so you can confirm what he's saying. Well, I guess I'm. I guess the issue I have with it more than anything. So, look, if he's flaunting it, then fair game, right? Like, I mean, if he's walking around and being like, yo, I'm a multi kazillionaire type of guy, then, I mean, fair point, right?
Ethical Boundaries
Like, no issue. But I always just feel like it shouldn't be, like, the person's choice on whether they want to share what they have. Like, isn't. Isn't that something that should be a personal choice? Or am I. Am I missing something? No, but I mean, like, in this, I'm like, in this case, specifically, he's. He's very public about how much he has, like, the, you know, what percentage of tokens and the number of tokens that he has.
Discussing Personal Accountability and Choices
And, yeah, I mean, he could be lying and overplaying that, but turns out he isn't, so. Yeah, I mean, I like, you know, he's made his own, he's made his bed. Right, yeah, fair enough. I mean, look, I've not, like, I'm not an active, avid Murad follower, so I am not paying attention to his every Twitter moment in the sun. And so if he has, like, disclosed previously, like, his net worth and his token holdings specifically, then sure, I guess there's no problem with it. I think that's weird. That's a weird deal. But, hey, I mean, that's his call. And then if Zach is just confirming it for everyone, like, hey, guys, just so you can follow along, here's the wallets. I mean, I guess. I guess there is nothing wrong with that then. I guess so. Yeah.
Analyzing Public Disclosure of Holdings
And that was kind of like, I think that was Zack's. Zack's point is, like, okay, I mean, he's. He's done it because the guy. The guy has been, public about the number of tokens that he holds, but then he's not public about dumping. So this is like, hey, if you want to, like, see when he dumps, you can now do that. and I I just found it, like, at the end of the day, I find it deeply ironic when people are up in arms about, like, a surveillance chain that they chose to use. Yeah, I mean, I think the problem I have with the whole thing is that I think that. But the story I make up is there's a lot of users who are not super sophisticated, don't know how to manage their own, like, operational security.
Risks of Unawareness in Blockchain Surveillance
They get lazy. They're human beings. They just, like, do things, and they don't even, like, realize that they're operating on a surveillance chain. They don't even realize that they're running this risk of people just being able to, like, you know, see everything they do front to back, and then, you know, it just becomes less, like, liability for them in the future. You know, that. That's the part that makes me sad, I guess. Yeah. Do you think that to some degree, people think that whilst that information is public, that it's just out of reach for most ordinary people? You know, like, because they look at a block explorer and find it very confusing, and so they think that it's only really like, governments and law enforcement that are going to.
Public Perception of Blockchain Accessibility
That are able to access chain analysis and everyone else is just going to see a massive information that they can't interpret. Yeah, I think that's certainly, like, what I hear when I get on, like, a Twitter space and someone's defending surveillance chains. That's typically the kind of response. It's like, well, you know, Naveen, how do you know that? Like, my wallet address is me. How do you know? And my response typically as well, like, you're a human being. Human beings are creatures of habit. You know, you've probably done a number of things, you know, like, oh, you're using this PFP on X.
Identifying Users and Their Behavior Patterns
Someone can go and look at that PFP on Ethereum or Solana or whatever, then figure out your wallet, then spider your other wallets, like, maybe you made a mistake. Transfer between your wallets. You know what I mean? It just becomes this, like, you know, thing where it's. I don't think that it's necessarily that hard to figure out, like, who most people are on chain. Yeah. Not only is it not hard, but I think sometimes people underestimate how incredibly powerful a raspberry PI is when it comes to crunching large amounts of data. Like a $30 dinky little.
Technological Capability and Data Privacy
A single board computer can crunch millions and millions of pieces of information in seconds. And your laptop is many times more powerful than that. And then people go, I think they just look at the mass of data and they feel like they're safe because they're in that mass of data. And so they're fine, but that's just not how it works. Well, I also think that we now live in this world. We're, like, in a post LLM world. And blockchain data is a training dataset that is open and public, and every single LLM that's worth anything will be trained up with it.
Impact of LLMs on Blockchain Data
You're going to get to this place where people will just be able to ask questions. It's like, oh, hey, here's a wallet address. Can you help me figure out the other wallet addresses that this wallet address has interacted with in the past? Can you help me figure out if this wallet address owns any ens names or owns any nfts? Please display the nfts. I mean, you can just imagine the prompts now, right? Like, that is already. It already exists on some level. It will get better and better and better over time, and then.
Concerns about Future Privacy
And then this magical degree of obfuscation that people think we have is just bullshit. Like, there is. No. There is no hiding in the crowd any longer. Right. Like, that's. That's the problem, you know? Yeah, no, I can. I agree. And I think people are quite naive with. With that. And, you know, my. My standing view around this is that you don't know you need privacy until it's too late, and then it's too late.
The Importance of Privacy Awareness
I like the. Well, I mean, that you should be able to choose. Like, you should have. They should know that there's an option for you if you want to be, you know, completely private. Well, yeah, I mean, I think, like, the problem. The problem with the choice is that if you're not starting from a place of default private, then you will never actually have the choice. Right. You never get to make the choice because by the time your information is already out there, you can't now bring it back.
Consequences of Lack of Privacy
It's kind of like, you know, the old adage of, like, once the. Something's out on the Internet, there's no way to put the genie back in the bottle. Right. So if it doesn't start from a place of default, confidential, you never, ever get the choice, and then you're left with this open situation. And that part really sucks. I think it's a net negative for human beings. I think removing that degree of autonomy, that degree of choice optionality is.
Discussing the Impact on Human Autonomy
Is really, I think, is a sad thing, in my opinion. Nathan, how are you? Oh, I don't know if Nathan's actually with us. He is. He just muted. Yeah. Hey, how you guys doing to. Good, man. What's going on with you? Good to see you. Nothing. I've actually been thinking about this a little bit lately. I'm coming up with a list of workshops that I'm doing, and one of the things that I'm trying to explain to people in crypto is your address is just an incentive structure for how much money to put into a targeted attack.
The Nature of Targeted Attacks in Cryptocurrency
If I can see that somebody has as little as $5 million in assets inside of a wallethead, I'm easily going to put $50,000 into getting that. So if that means renting a car, flying to another country, renting another car there, go grabbing the four way handshake off of the router, taking that offline and cracking it, and then going back and making sure that I'm getting that the incentive structure is publicly there just to do. And, I don't know, like, there's just, like, data duplication.
Emerging Attack Vectors
You can get it from embedded systems, holes in IoT infrastructure, in people's home networks. There's just so many attack surface that people don't consider. I mean, you're so right. I mean, I think. I think the average person is obviously not thinking about that. But I would dig a little deeper and say you're talking about someone who's relatively high. Net worth, $5 million, $3 million, whatever. And your point is? Look, there's an Arb, Naveen.
Balancing Safety and Wealth
If I can spend 50 grand and go and steal the person's $3 million and do it in a way where it really can't be traced back to me, then, yeah, of course. Are there people out there who will do that? Of course. We all know the answer is yes. But I also think it's, like, even more insidious, though. Like, you know, I use this example kind of all the time. But, I mean, you know, if.
Potential Risks of Data Exposure and Its Consequences
If there's an entrepreneur out there who's building a dating site or dating service and, like, you know, you create an account on the dating service, and they can go and automatically, like, spider your crypto wallets and come up with, like, a net worth or whatever it is. Come up with, like, a profile for you in terms of, like, how you spend your money and embed that into your dating profile for people who are using this dating product. Like, that could happen.
Invasive Data Practices and Privacy
You could imagine you go and apply for a job, and employers are always trying to dig into people who are applying for jobs. That's why people do background checks. That's why employers do all kinds of things. And there's a free. You can imagine a free tool. It's just like an employer going and looking at someone's social media accounts, which they do. They obviously do.
The Manifestation of Employer Surveillance
How is it any different for an employer to go and use some sort of low rent LLM tool to go and go like, oh, hey, I'm curious about Naveen, Jane. And Naveen is a pudgy penguin, so he must have an Ethereum wallet. And please provide all the details on his spending habits using Ethereum, including all l two s and Solana and anything else. And all of a sudden, you end up with a fucking report with a whole dossier from, like, the beginning of time, beginning of on chain history, basically, that is now handed to the prospective employer on a silver platter.
Concerns over the Dossier of Personal Data
That sucks. That's invasive. Like, that's not good for human beings, broadly speaking, I would argue. I don't know if this is how real this is. Somebody can verify it. But I saw a clip of a screenshot that the news reports that China reportedly made an app to show people if they're standing near someone in debt. Oh, yeah. But it's the.
Social Credit System and Its Implications
It's the social credits. Credit stuff. So I don't think it's, like. I don't think it's, like, financial debt. I think it's, like, social credit. Can your financial debt not affect your social credit, though? It can, but what? I mean, it's. It's not purely, like, with. If you're in, like, you could not be in financial debt and still have a bad social credit score.
The Dystopian Reality of Social Credit
Can you imagine your apps just flashing? Be, like, poor person standing too close to you. So dystopian. Yeah. Literally, it's. Wasn't it literally a plot line in one of the black Mirror episodes? Yeah, yeah, of course. Of course. There. There's that whole episode where it's like, you know, I forgot the premise. I just remember, like, the toothpaste dispenser.
Reflections on Speculative Dystopias
I like, literally, like, your. Your credits are, like, decrementing as, like, you know, the toothpaste is, like, coming out of the tube, you know, in the mirror. You know, in front of the mirror. It was. It was that episode. But I think there are other episodes, too, where this, like, same topic is, like, covered from different angles. And so, yeah, I mean, I think. I think.
The Convergence of Fiction and Reality
I don't know, Nathan. It just feels like I hear you loud and clear on the attack vector point, but I think there's, like, a more just, like, insidious thing that impacts, like, even everyday people, even if they don't have a net worth of $5 million. You know what I mean? No, I'm in complete agreement.
Counter Surveil Podcast
Listen, a couple of buddies of mine run a podcast on Monday nights called Counter Surveil. And they look into a lot of stuff like this, and it's not specific. On blockchain, like, for example, last week, they did water treatment plants with industrial control systems and on the vulnerabilities involved in that, which would, of course, lead to ransomware. So whatever. I'm plugging that for those guys. I'm going to be doing an event down in your neck of the woods on November 16 and 17th with a whole lot of workshops about this stuff. So I'll bug you about that. I'm going to tap out. Have a good time, guys.
Appreciation
Thanks, Nathan, for coming up, man. I appreciate you. Great to see. Great to see you. So, yeah, I mean, maybe it's a good, like, segue into, you know, what is a. What is Atari enabled world supposed to look like? And. Yeah, so, I mean, one of the things I think is really cool about Tari is, you know, Tari is default confidential, but we don't really talk about it that way. You know, like, we're not advertising it as some, like, you know, privacy product, and that's intentional, you know, so the hypothesis that we have is that it's better to just frame confidentiality and privacy by default as a feature. It's just a feature among many.
Focus on Usability
And let's actually focus on making it, like, this beautiful, super easy to use thing and not just over focus on the fact that it actually is pro human and pro freedom. And we talk about this a lot. We talk about this concept. Atari is a pro human product, pro human platform, a pro human system. And, you know, whether. What are the attributes of a pro human system? And we're going to keep talking about this because we think it's really important. We think it's like a really important story and narrative that we hope emerges over time and like, a more. In a bigger fashion in our industry, because if we're not building these things for human beings, then, like, and I understand, like, there's a whole argument, like, oh, Naveen, but in the. In the financial future, won't we all have, like, agents, and it's just a bunch of agents interoperating with each other, and there's just all these systems are going to have.
The Role of Human Interaction
There's going to be millions and billions and trillions of AI agents running wild on these systems. And sure, that's entirely possible, and I can totally see that as a future outcome, too. But it doesn't change the fact that human beings should also be able to interoperate with the system. The system shouldn't be exclusively for agents to use, and the system should enable human beings to uplift themselves. This idea that anyone can download Tar universe, and obviously everyone knows that we're still working on pizza pool and making it better, but this whole idea that anyone can download to our universe on their Mac or PC and start mining using random X and Sha three on their gpu's and be able to, even if they're mining small amounts Atari on a daily basis, they're able to make an impact for themselves and for their families.
Pro Human Features
Like, that's a human thing. That's like a very pro human thing. You know, the fact that Tari is default confidential is pro human as well, because it's. Again, it's giving people the choice, like what Mike was saying earlier, like, it's giving human beings the choice to decide what you want to share, what you want to disclose. Like, it's not just this automatic thing that any Tom, Dick and Harry can just like pull all of your transaction history from the beginning of time, your balances, and just weaponize that. Just fucking weaponize that against you. That helps make Tari more pro human. And then the interface. The interface. Tari contributors have put so much effort, so much time and effort into building tar universe, and we'll continue to put time and effort into making it better.
Gratitude to Contributors
And we want to thank everyone for your continuous feedback on ways to make Tara universe better. It has a long way to go, but it is a good start. Like, it's a good start. It's far easier to use than most other tools in this industry. And that's very intentional because that also makes it pro human. And I think we should be celebrating builders and developers and teams and groups that are building pro human technology because we live in this world now where I just feel like things are starting, the DAC is starting to, the deck is starting to get stacked against human beings. I just think that totally sucks. And that's like a totally terrible outcome.
Human-Centric Design
I mean, Rick, am I crazy? No, you're not. I think it's kind of funny. Like you're starting to see a little bit of this in AI as well, where products that are designed with the human in mind versus products where they don't care about humans. They're just like, how do we raise a billion dollars from VC's and just go and run with it? And those are very sort of distinct approaches to building anything. And I feel like if you're not building with the human in mind, then you're going to end up with no users. And it's hard enough to build a user base, but it's like we've discussed, I know this is not the first time we've discussed this, but the obsession with TPS is a great example of this.
Understanding User Needs
Human beings do not care about how many TPS your stupid blockchain can do, any more than they care about how scalable the relational database that Instagram uses. It's like they don't care. They don't care. Facebook doesn't talk about it on, you know, or meta doesn't talk about it on Instagram's like landing page, you know. Yeah, if you go to a technical conference, then maybe some dude from meta is going to get up there and talk about like how they scale Instagram. And it's going to be super interesting if you're a technical person, but like a user does not care. They just want to know the thing works and they want it to beautiful and they want it to be friendly and feel warm and welcoming and honestly, like a lot of this stuff just isn't.
The Reality of Design
And no one seems to care about that. Yeah, that's kind of the funny thing about it, right? It's everyone thinks that people care about the deep technical stuff, but the hard truth, I think the hard reality for most people is that no one cares about your optimistic roll up with zero knowledge proofs and your crypto economic security powered by ethereum tokens. And you're like all that stuff, like, no one gives a crap about that. Like that does not matter to people. And it seemed that people don't care that tari layer one is a member wimble implementation. Like no one's going to care about that. You know, no one's going to care about p two pool or random x or any of these things.
User Benefits
Like people just don't give a crap about that. What they care about is that, oh, I can download the software for free from the Internet, I can run it on my Mac, it just works and I'm earning rewards. It's benefiting me economically and it's beautiful and it makes like an impact in my life. And the fact that the software and the system happens to be pro freedom and happens to keep you safe because it has confidentiality features by default, like the fact that all of that is true is just behind the scenes, right? It's just something that is not even seen by the user, but it's something that we all know as a community. We all know as the Tari community.
Community Awareness
We all know that it's true and that's important to like everyone here, but it's not necessarily going to be important to every user of Tari. You know, even saying that though, if the community only cares a number goes up or the crypto market only cares the number goes up. A lot of these technical decisions actually do support number going up. You know, not having an airdrop. That means that 100% of tokens are dumped on the market or vc's have like unlimited tokens to dump on the market. You know, being proof of work means that the unlock occurs as a trickle. And I know you probably can't speak to anything that involves price, but like some of these technical decisions do support price appreciation.
Focus on Usefulness
I mean look, the way we view the world is we just focus like on usefulness. And my view on it is that the more human participants in the network that give a crap about the network, the more successful the network is going to be on. All dimensions. Well, however you define success, but as a contributor, and I speak for all contributors, to say we focus on the usefulness of the system, but the system becomes more useful when there are more people who care about the system. So then the question is, how do you get people to care about the system? Right? And this is where I think a lot of projects just really don't understand.
Ensuring Fairness
I think they really just missed the boat. But one way to get people to care about a system is to make it fair for people to participate. If you know that you can just download tar universe on your Mac and you can just mine in the background while you're going about your day, that inherently is going to mean that more people care about it, because that's completely different from some proof of stake system where you have to be an insider, you have to be an early investor, you have to be some sophisticated farmer. That's a very different experience, fundamentally, number one. Number two, design matters.
The Importance of Design
Like, everyone on this chat has things that in their life that they appreciate that are, in their mind, is beautifully designed. Maybe you're on an iPhone, you, maybe you've joined this Twitter space and you're on an iPhone. For example, you know, why does Apple get away with charging $1,400 for a new iPhone every year? Because Apple started this whole trend. There's a reason why Android devices basically look like iPhones. Largely, the reason why is because iPhones are objectively beautiful. The materials that are used, the graphic design and the interfaces, iOS, all of it.
Beauty and Value
It's beautiful. And human beings perceive beautiful things to be more useful and in many cases, valuable, too. So design matters. It really matters. And people know that, you know, Tari contributors are meticulous, and Tari contributors care about every pixel. And design matters, and that also shapes people's perception of the whole system. It also raises the bar for other developers who choose to build on Tari, because if you're going to build an application on Tari, then you want that application to meet the bar, right? So there's so many elements to this, there's so many angles.
Innovating with Tari
And I think it's unexplored territory, to be honest. I think it's like, that's where this gets to be really fun, because Tari really, truly is net new. Yeah. And I also kind of feel like, and sorry, Mike, I know that you can speak a couple of times, but I just wanted to just add, like, yes, and that, and say that especially early on in the iPhone history, a lot of people building apps were as meticulous as apple, because they wanted it to look good. They wanted it to match the look and feel of the device and of the apps that Apple made of. And it's going to be. It will be similar on Tari.
Commitment to Excellence
You know, like, why would you want an ugly app, an ugly tablet that you've made to exist alongside universe, to exist alongside Aurora, to exist alongside all of the other things that contributors are building that are beautiful? Like, it's. It's not going to fit in. It's going to look ridiculous. 100%. Yeah. It kind of, like, becomes self reinforcing, you know, like, everyone in the community wants to raise the bar, you know? And I think that's, like, really important. I mean, that's really important to me. It's very similar to, like, when Nintendo publishes a new Zelda game, right?
Leveraging Community Strength
And everyone in the Nintendo community looks at it and goes, holy shit, you know, like, Nintendo historically uses their franchise titles as showcases for not only great gameplay and, like, a great story and a great game. I mean, anyone can look at a Mario game or a Zelda game and know that's objectively true. But remember, Rick, when f Zero was published for the Super Nintendo? And what do they call that? That? They call it, like, zone seven or something like that or something. They had some, like, name for it, like, the whole way that, like, you can move the.
Game Development Innovations
It was, like, basically a technology for, like, moving large bitmaps. Right? Like, because that's how the tracks were kind of designed. It's like, you know, you could move these very large bitmaps around. Yeah. And get mode seven. Yeah, I was close. I knew there was a seven in there somewhere. And. And it was. It was amazing because basically it gave a. Showcased all the other game developers, like, oh, this is how you could use mode seven. And then there were other games that came out. You know, they did the same thing with.
Inspired by Innovation
With Star Fox. You know, if you remember with Star Fox, they. They really, like, pushed the technical limits of the Super Nintendo so that people could really see, like, what you could do with it, you know? And so I look at a lot of the work that, you know, we do as contributors to Tari is sort of similar to that. It's like we're really pushing the boundaries to the best of our ability to really, like, inspire the Tari community. Right. And, I mean, hopefully one day, you know, like, Tari is viewed at the same level as something like a Nintendo.
Vision for the Future
I mean, that's like a dream for every contributor. Right? Like, we're a rounding era today, we're very small, and everyone here is early. Like, everyone who's mining Tari withari universe on the testnet earning gems. Like, everyone is early, and. Yeah, but that's kind of how I see all that effort that we put in. Like, why we do that. Mike, does that resonate with you? Yeah, absolutely. Do you think long term crypto protocols or projects can ever be viewed as successful, though, if their token price doesn't go up, even if they've built the best tech in the world?
Navigating Cryptocurrency Dynamics
I mean, you know, here's the thing, though, right? Like, I know there's this belief out there that narrative follows price, right? Like, you see that out there a lot. Like, people are like, narrative follows price. But I think that's pretty much only true when you're comparing things that are commodified. There really, truly is no difference between arbitrum and zksync, let's be honest. Yeah. You could say one is using optimistic roll ups or whatever arbitrum is using, and one is using zk rollups.
Commodity Zone and Differentiation
Like, functionally, there's no difference between scroll and these other things. Like, even if you really want to compare, like, and I know people do this all the time. Compare Solana to, like, some ethereum thing. Like, functionally, they're basically the same thing, right? And so that's where you end up in this, like, commodity zone where, like, everyone just kind of views it as a commodity because they're all basically, like, largely the same. But I think people are starting to acknowledge and see that. Wait, Tari is just kind of different. Tari is just different. Like, wait. I could just download the software. It just works, right? It's beautiful. It's just like a different. It gives people a different taste. It's a different vibe. And. And I think, like, when something is net new, it changes the equation for people. It's like a. It's like a breath of fresh air. We've heard from many people in the community that, like, people have said that, you know, tar universe has apple level design.
Experiences and Emotional Connection
We've heard that. You know, I think it was. Yogi was dming me because he got tar universe set up. He's like, wait, that's it. And then, and then I was texting with. With Justin Bilal the other day, and he's like, the miner is such a fun experience, dude. It really is. You know, like, so it's not a commodity experience. It's just like a different animal. And I think as a result, it's net new, and therefore I think it can take on, there can be more of an emotional connection for people as a result. That's at least contributors hope. Does that resonate? Does that make any sense? Yep. So, Rick, maybe we can. Hey, Lozenge, how are you? Kind of in reply to what Darlington had said, which is, you know, if you look at some of Satoshi's old emails, which are, this one's easily found, but it looks like he was predicting a $1 bitcoin price.
Reflections on Long-Term Goals
So, I mean, even if you think of inflation, maybe double that today. But the idea of, like, what would be a good price or what would be a successful price, you know, in Satoshi's mind, that was like a 20 to maybe 40, 50 million market cap. Well, he was still planning for price to go up then. You know, as I said, I think, again, I'll just speak for myself. We're. I personally look at this whole thing and go, let's just make the damn thing super useful, man. Let's just make it super useful. Let's make it super fun. Let's make it super easy. Let's make it super beautiful. And then we leave it to you, we leave it to the community to decide to what that means. And it's going to mean a different thing to different people ultimately, we don't get to control that. That's not in our control.
Community Feedback and Expectations
I know, Mike, you have lots of different feelings about Tari. You're very involved in the yacht ecosystem. You're very involved in Tari. You've been involved now for quite some time, and we really appreciate your feedback. You're very vocal with your feedback, and it really means the world to us. And we know that there are other people in the community that have different opinions. They have different things that they focus on when they look at Tari as sort of a whole. And that's, to us, that's really special. It's like people are going to view it in different ways, they're going to perceive it in different ways. And the best thing that we can do is just stay true to our north star. And the North Star for Tari is how do we get as many human beings, real human beings, not fucking bots, real human beings, engaged, involved, you know, participating like a part of this thing.
Working Towards Improvement
And the more human beings that are a part of it, the more useful the whole thing's going to be. That's just, that's just at least how I see the world. I would say fundamentally, like, that's how most successful anything occur, you know, which leads to the potential value or price going up. It's all combined. Like, yes, there are going to be cases where you can scam pump things, but at the end of the day, anything that's successful is because people value it, people want it, people want to continue to use it. So I would say they're pretty intertwined to what you're saying. Yeah, totally. Well, maybe what we can do is we can just share a quick update for the community on where we currently are with Tar universe and some of the things that I know a lot of people in the community are waiting for and then we can end this space.
Upcoming Updates on Tar Universe
I have to go catch a flight. So basically, just so everyone knows, there is a release of char Universe planned today and this release will have some updates to the GPU miner. So the goal is to increase support for more gpu's. We've gotten some feedback from people that their GPU's weren't supported, so the goal is to expand support. There's a lot of design, polish and tweaks in this upcoming release and there are going to be some tweaks. I don't want to set expectations here, but the code is public anyway, so might as well just say it. There are some tweaks and updates to p two pool in this upcoming release, but I want to just set the table and set the expectation that we don't know. We don't believe that this is like the silver bullet fix or the silver bullet update.
Contributors' Focus Areas
We need everyone in the community's help to use PT pool, especially with this upcoming release, so we can continue to evaluate where there are continuous opportunities to improve. So that's also a part of this release. And some other things, there's some other things too in this release. So areas where contributors are really focused right now are PT pool and network connectivity. There still is a meaningful number of people that are not able to reliably connect to the network and it's very frustrating for them. Oh my God, it's so frustrating. And I feel their pain every time I see someone post a screenshot of Tar universe and the block height is like 92. I'm like ugh, brutal. It's brutal. It's really not cool.
Continued Efforts and Improvement
So contributors are very, very focused on that. And so we're focused on adding tor bridging to tar universe. We have an implementation of lib PTP that's forthcoming for Tara Universe so we can dramatically improve global connectivity to the network. And so those are like, and there are some other updates too. There's some other updates forthcoming, but like, those are the two areas of focus for contributors now because, you know, our goal is to get tar universe to a place where it, quote unquote, just works for the vast majority of people. And people are earning TXTM and gems on a highly frequent basis. And we will not stop, we will not sleep until that outcome is here. So we're going to be working on that fully into the next week.
Setting Expectations and Community Guidance
So there'll be more updates to PT pool, more updates from a connectivity standpoint. And then of course we will be shipping other updates to Tara Universe concurrently as time goes on. But just want to everyone, just to set everyone's expectation. We hear you, we see all of your feedback on the channel. So thank you so much. Keep it coming. Let us know if you're not able to connect to the network. You know, we're working on it and we certainly hear the frustration from some members of the community. Rick, anything you want to add? I was going to say, in fairness, I may sleep, I may have a nap. Yeah, fair enough. Yeah, yeah.
Community Contributions and Engagement
Contributors are. Yeah, absolutely. You know, they're, but everyone's working super hard and we just feel really blessed. I mean, as contributors, like, we just feel so blessed that people are sharing feedback with us. Feedback is a blessing. We're very lucky to have everyone here playing with Tar universe on all their mission, all their different systems, all their different machines, you know, all over the world, different networks. You know, someone was dming me asking for a guide to set up tar universe on the raspberry PI. I was like, there's no such guide. Please, if you go play with it, you know, set up a guide for yourself and. Hey da, how are you?
Technical Challenges and Community Support
Da, are you there? Yeah, we can hear you. Nice to meet you, man. Hey, how's it going man? Hope everybody doing well. Sorry if it's windy, I'm not walking. It's beautiful day. Quick question. Do you know of the issue where the aurora is not sinking the same balance our universe? Yes, we are also, that is also on the list. Thank you for bringing that up. We are well aware also that Aurora is not consistently sinking. And also to be direct, the user experience right now with Aurora and universe is nowhere close to what we want. This whole idea that you have to export your seed phrase, go to Aurora, import it. That's not the end state.
Future Improvements and User Experience
Nowhere close. But yes, we are well aware of that. There are updates for that forthcoming as well. We actually have a separate group of contributors who are working on updates right now to Tari Aurora. I'll give a little bit of alpha. There's actually a forcing function for that besides the feedback from the community, because there is a TTL store drop forthcoming. So there's going to be brand new merchandise in the TTL store and everyone who's been mining TXTM, we want to give them the opportunity to be able to buy stuff from the TTL store. And obviously if Aurora is not working well, then people will not have that opportunity.
Community Engagement and Collectibles
So we have a forcing function right now within the Tari contributor group and everyone is hustling so that we can make our drop deadline and give everyone in the community that opportunity to really get some really dope tari swag and tari collectibles. And one last thing. You know how we have to sign up using our Twitter account for the gems? Now, if you start mining one machine and you move to another machine, I do notice the gems move over. But are you, I guess, are you using a new c phrase so your xt won't move over to. Does that make sense? Correct.
Final Remarks and Community Appreciation
Yeah, yeah. That's exactly. That's exactly right. Yeah, I think I do. Like, so, I mean, firstly, the one thing you can do is like, change your Monero address. Obviously. Like right now it's testnet, so it doesn't really matter. But like, you could use the same Monero address so that your merge mine Monero will go to the same place. But like, yeah, I mean, we're very cognizant of the fact that there are people who have multiple machines they're mining on and they're going to want to mine to the same wallet and not have them all mine to separate wallets. Got you. Appreciate it. Thanks so much for all your feedback, Da.
Closing and Thank You
And thanks for being a part of the community, man. We really appreciate you. No problem. Awesome. All right, guys, well, we're going to wrap up the space for this week. Thank you so much for tuning in. Thank you, Mike. Thank you, Lozenge. Thank you, Nathan. Thank you, Da, for participating today. And tune in next week. You know, we'll be running it back, doing it again, talking about all things Tari. Look for a new update to universe today and more updates to come. Please help us test out p two pool. We would really appreciate your support there and we will see you guys very soon. See you next week.
