Space Summary
The Twitter Space Web3 Music Jam Session with Animoca Brands hosted by animocabrands. The Web3 Music Jam with Animoca Brands delves deep into the realms of music, technology, and blockchain, emphasizing the empowerment of creators and users through digital ownership rights. By exploring NFTs, decentralized platforms, and the potential of Web3 collaborations in the music industry, the space showcases innovative solutions and challenges shaping the future landscape. Community engagement and inclusivity emerge as key drivers propelling Web3 initiatives towards greater creativity and sustainability. With a focus on blockchain technology and tokenized assets, the space envisions a dynamic evolution in music creation, distribution, and fan engagement within the open Metaverse.
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Questions
Q: How does Animoca Brands contribute to delivering Digital Property Rights?
A: Animoca Brands focuses on empowering gamers and Internet users with ownership rights through innovative blockchain solutions.
Q: What is the main focus of the discussions around building an open Metaverse?
A: The space emphasizes exploring Web3 opportunities and enhancing user experiences through decentralized platforms.
Q: Why are collaborations in the music industry turning towards blockchain technology?
A: Music industry collaborations are leveraging blockchain for authenticity, transparency, and new monetization avenues.
Q: What role do NFTs play in transforming the music industry?
A: NFTs empower creators, revolutionize music ownership, and offer unique digital experiences to fans.
Q: How do experts view the future potentials of Web3 in the music sector?
A: Industry experts discuss the transformative possibilities of Web3, blockchain, and music collaborations for the future of the industry.
Q: Why is community engagement crucial in Web3 initiatives?
A: Community engagement fosters inclusivity, innovation, and sustainability in Web3 projects, driving broader adoption and creativity.
Q: In what way is technology reshaping the music landscape through Web3?
A: Technological advancements like blockchain are revolutionizing music ownership, distribution, and creating novel user experiences within Web3 frameworks.
Q: What benefits do decentralized platforms offer to music creators?
A: Decentralized platforms provide greater control over content, transparency in royalties, and direct engagement with audiences for music creators.
Q: How are tokenized assets enhancing ownership in the music industry?
A: Tokenized assets enable fractional ownership, liquidity, and facilitate investment opportunities, transforming the traditional music business models.
Q: What are the key challenges in implementing blockchain technology in the music sector?
A: Challenges include regulatory frameworks, scalability issues, and educating stakeholders on the potential benefits of blockchain adoption.
Highlights
Time: 00:15:42
Empowering Gamers with Digital Property Rights Animoca Brands' mission to grant ownership rights to users through innovative blockchain solutions.
Time: 00:25:19
Decentralized Platforms in the Music Industry Exploring the shift towards decentralized music platforms and the benefits for creators.
Time: 00:35:07
NFTs Revolutionizing Music Ownership Insights on how NFTs are reshaping music ownership, distribution, and fan engagement.
Time: 00:45:33
Future of Web3 and Music Collaborations Experts share visions on the transformative potential of Web3 and blockchain in the music sector.
Time: 00:55:14
Community Engagement in Web3 Projects Importance of inclusivity and community participation in driving innovation in Web3 initiatives.
Time: 01:05:22
Challenges and Opportunities in Blockchain Music Exploring the hurdles and advantages of integrating blockchain tech into the music industry.
Time: 01:15:48
Innovative Possibilities in Music Technology Discussing how technology advancements are creating new opportunities for music creators within Web3 ecosystems.
Time: 01:25:37
Tokenization and Music Industry Evolution Insights on how tokenized assets are reshaping ownership structures and revenue streams for musicians.
Time: 01:35:59
Educating Stakeholders on Blockchain Benefits The importance of educating industry stakeholders on the advantages and challenges of blockchain integration in the music sector.
Key Takeaways
- Animoca Brands prioritizes delivering Digital Property Rights to gamers and Internet users.
- The focus is on building an open Metaverse and exploring Web3 opportunities.
- Enhancing user experiences and ownership through blockchain technology is at the core of discussions.
- Web3 Music Jam signifies the intersection of music, technology, and digital ownership.
- Collaborations in the music industry are leveraging blockchain for authenticity and transparency.
- The space highlights the evolution towards decentralized platforms and tokenized assets.
- NFTs play a significant role in transforming the music industry and empowering creators.
- Discussions revolve around the future potentials of Web3, blockchain, and music collaborations.
- Industry experts address the importance of community engagement and inclusivity in Web3 initiatives.
- Exploring the fusion of music, technology, and blockchain for innovative new possibilities.
Behind the Mic
Expressions of Art
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Introduction to the Event
All right, Gm. Gm, everyone, and welcome token talks with Animoca brands. I'm Solly, former f three racer and been with Animoca for four years. Actually, my four year anniversary is in two days, so I'm going to drink to that. Now, today is super exciting. We've got an absolutely stacked panel. That incredibly fire track you guys just heard, we're just listening to. And actually, for the first time anywhere, it's an honor for me to premiere it. It is a track from producers powered by PopX. Bit of a spoiler, and we'll get back to that in a second. But today we're going to be talking about music and web three and how blockchain will change the music industry. So we have some absolute legends up on stage. I'm going to bring it up the Animoca fam. First, I'm going to throw it over to resident web three dj and senior tokenomics manager, mister DJ Tohoy GMGM Sully.
Panel Introductions
Thanks for having me. Good to be here. Yeah, likewise. Why don't you do a quick introduction and we'll throw it around to the other guys. Awesome. Yeah, I've been with Animoca for about two and a half years now, but, yeah, been always doing music on the side of doing some djing here and there. I'm a music producer as well, so I've made some tracks, put out an ep and just messed around with sounds here and there. So, yeah, I'm happy to be here with this esteemed panel today. We have a lot of heavy hitters here. Thanks a lot. Hell, yeah. Let's go. All right, now we're going to pass it to big man himself, mister tokenomics, Mister Moe Gmdehdeh.
Discussion on Music and Tokenomics
G to the m. I'm looking forward to this one music jam sessions. And we've got an all stacked panel as well. This is going to be exciting, mate. It's going to be so good. Just looking at who's on here, mate, it's going to be a banger. How are you? I'm good. I've also heard you're going to give us a little, like, you're going to sing for us at some point today as well. And I'm looking forward to that. Dude, I think you're gonna have to pay me more if you want me to sing. I don't know if that's on the menu. We'll do a duet, bro. A whole new world. I mean, if we get. If we get Sanjay in here, we'll ask him to come and sing some Taylor Swift, so.
Insights into Market Trends
Thank you, mo. Come back to you in a second. We're gonna throw it over to mister Jezza, GM tokenomics analyst at Animoca. Oh, GM. GM. Good morning. Thank you for having me here. How are you doing? Any alpha to spend? Alpha. Wow. Probably just, like, different meme coins right now. That's quite hot at the moment. Markets down where people are still interested in, dogs and cats and frogs and all the hippos. All different animals and hippos. Hippos, man. Oh, yeah. Hippos. Wow. Yeah. They also have, like, music songs behind them while we're trading. More interesting. Right? We'll get. We'll get. I mean, there's so many people in here. I'm sure we can collab to come up with a mudang song.
Guest Introductions
Yes. Thank you, Jez. I'm going to throw it over to Emilio. Welcome Emilio on stage. Senior tokenomics analyst GM Gnvn from Sydney, Australia, over here. So very excited to be on the space. Very excited to have a chat with. With Matt, with Inder. I've been working. We've been working closely with them. So excited to see, you know, what. What alpha they're willing to spill and how we can push music, you know, past the boundaries, as they say. Hell, yeah. Well, I hope you're having a, you know, a cocktail up on the beautiful veranda at Kuji beach and tuning into this space. So. Yeah. Appreciate you being here, Emilio, but now we're gonna throw it over. I think I've covered all the animoca fam. I think I have. We're gonna throw it over to our guests.
Highlighting the Guests
We've got some crazy guests today. First off, we have DJ and generative artist Agoria. Welcome. Why don't you tell us a bit more about yourself and the incredible closing ceremony at the Paris Olympics. Good morning from Paris. Good morning, everyone. Very happy to be with you and discuss what we can achieve with music, technology and art all together. And as you mentioned, I'm an artist now since maybe ten years. Coming from contemporary art and embracing digital art. For the last four years, we've dropped some tessos object or super rare or of course through different collections on Opensea. And I'm DJ since like, oh my God, almost 30 years now. Happy to discuss with all of you.
Conversations about Music and Technology
Wow, that's amazing. Can't wait for you to share more stories and experience. Thank you, Agoria. We're going to pass it over to the CEO of Pixel links, building the world's leading music metaverse and partnering with the likes of Deadmau. Nice to chat with you again, inder. How are you doing? I'm very well, thanks. Great to be here. How are you? Yeah, really good. Really good. What's been cooking? There's so much to share. We are in the midst of launching the core protocol, which is the IP infrastructure that we've been working on. Basically helps IP holders bring their music and their assets on chain and then essentially collaborate with other creators, fans, developers in a really seamless, permissionless environment.
Exciting Developments in Music
Tons of fun things to share. We've got some new products that are also going live this week. So yeah, excited to tell you more about it. Hell yeah. Let's go. And last but not least, from POpX and co writing that amazing track you heard at the start with a diamond artist, BLr, mister Matt Bond, GM. Tell us more. Tell us more about that track. Yeah, so that track was the second track that we dropped on producers. The first track got signed to Warner and we got every NFT holder a record deal. It's the first time anything like that's ever happened. And yeah, I've sent that track off this morning and had another message back from Vasco record deal as well.
Innovation in Music Production
So yeah, I think we're just kind of, we're kind of like making moves in a decentralized kind of record label and marketing team that hasn't really been seen before, aside what we do with POPX as well, which is gamified live events with Live Nation. So yeah, good to meet you all and looking forward to talking more. Amazing, man. What a, what an intro. That was crazy. I see we have more dj's actually in the space. We've got Shani, good friend of the Animoca fam, or just good friend in general, DJ herself. An apecoin DJ, would you say? Yeah, maybe mocha verse, t shirt wearing apecoin DJ. All right, let's dive into some fun topics and I guess I'll start off with a.
Web Three's Impact on Music
A pretty big sort of blanket statement. And I'm going to ask, how do you see web three fundamentally transforming the music industry? I guess. I mean, inder, maybe we'll throw it off with you first. Oh, that's such a broad topic. I think there's so many layers to it. One of the beautiful things of web three is transparency and the way that it can transform the business model with new ways for people to participate in the value creation. I think there's probably a few things. First of all, like I said, just transparency. I think artists having more insight into who their fans are and the usage of their content in different environments is really interesting. But also, I think there's another layer of it which is just the way rights are managed.
Rights Management and Fragmentation
The music industry is really fragmented. There's usually numerous songwriters and creators involved with the production of a song, and that can make it really difficult to really manage those rights as you start thinking about new use cases like gaming or remixing and getting all rights holders kind of aligned. And again, I think the blockchain and web three as a whole can really help kind of solve that fragmentation and really unlock new ways for people to collaborate and just kind of manage their ip more effectively. But also other things, you know, NFTs are an incredible medium for expression. You know, you've got artists like Agoria who are just kind of pushing the boundaries of their art form and using NFTs as this new canvas to really express themselves and kind of, you know, push their music out and their art and their vision in new ways.
Expanding Artistry
So I think there's so many things from, like, the business model and how the music industry operates from a rights perspective to the way we connect with your fans, all the way down to the just new canvas that blockchain and web three kind of provides for artistry to really kind of expand to the next level. Yeah. Wow, that's. I feel like that was such a. Such an eloquent answer to such a big question, obviously. Yeah. Like you said, transparency, rights management, solving the fragmentation, I love it. I'm going to throw it over to mo next. If you've got some thoughts on this. I see you partying with Iggy Azalea. What are your thoughts on this massive question?
Ownership and Distribution in Web Three
What's that? The thoughts on partying with Iggy or on music and web three? It's a tough one. No, no. All jokes aside, like, for me, it's all. It's ownership. And I also think it's distribution. Again, just to try and give a slightly different answer, because fundamentally, when we talk about digital property rights, at least one of the core tenants that we believe in within the animal brand's ecosystem. It's how can you empower creators, how can you empower listeners to actually own a piece of the action? And we're able to do that just by leveraging what blockchain technology stands for. But also when we think about distribution, and this is something maybe Matt can talk more about later on, it streams right now are massive for seeing, in terms of who's in the top ten, a big chunk of that.
Navigating the Music Streaming Landscape
It's not really record sales anymore, it's a lot more in the streaming. And when we talk about community involvement and community ownership, imagine being able to have a song stream to number one, where everyone who's listening in is an NFT owner is able to share. In the upside of that, you then have an army of marketeers, if you like, who are pushing out the Spotify links, the YouTube links and so on and so forth to really try and raise awareness around this. And they also then get a say in maybe the beat, the singer, the tempo, so on and so forth. And for me, that distribution is something that we need in web three. For us, we keep talking about mainstream adoption. How are we going to hit mainstream adoption? And the tech for me is in a place now where it's good enough that we can abstract it in the back end.
The Role of Music in Popular Culture
We've probably hit saturation point for the number of people coming in to the space because of the power that blockchain gives you. Everyone else out there, when they download Instagram, they're not downloading it because it's built, I don't know in c, they're downloading it because their friends are on there, a lot of their icons are on there. And we have to start thinking about distribution, about applications that people are going to come on because they solve genuine problems. And music plays such an important role in everyone's lives, two different degrees, but it's still one of these core tenants in everyone's life in one shape, way or form, that it's an excellent way to be onboarding people in a way that is actually better for them, where they get to have some form of equitable ownership based on their contribution to an ecosystem.
Opportunities in Music Collaboration
And that could just be by streaming, it could be by writing a song, it could be by using something on core protocol and mixing something brand new together and getting that voted to turn into a record label. Like, there's so many more opportunities. And we've sort of seen v, one of music and web three with like your audiences and others last cycle around. So there's lots of learning there of how things can potentially be done, but also the pitfalls that we don't have to make a lot of these mistakes again because others have sort of gone before us.
First Mover Advantage in Music
Like there's. If you're a first mover advantage and you crack the code, excellent. But more often than not, if you are a first mover advantage and you fail or you don't succeed, maybe to word it differently, you've given others a blueprint of how to do something, maybe how not to do something that will increase the likelihood of their success. So very bullish on music and adoption sort of slightly changed the question towards the end where I think you guys get the gist of it.
Community Involvement in Music
Yeah, no, 100%. And I think a few interesting things you touched on there and especially when you talk about sort of the community involvement. Right. I do actually have a question for you guys later on about. About Daos. So we'll kind of save that sort of topic till then. But yeah, I mean, like you said, you know, guys that kicked it off back in the. In the last cycle they walked. So you guys can run and we'll throw it over to Matt because you did, you know, you did touch on Matt on that sort of community involvement side of things. Matt, do you have anything to add there?
Creative Processes in Community Engagement
Yeah, I thought Mo was reading our deck for a minute then. So, yeah, that's. That's pretty much what we're doing. So the way the producers worked and what we've seen is we launched a song with options of two different vocals, two different bass lines, two different drops. Community members bought NFTs. They could actually come in and vote then on which drop they liked, which vocal they liked, which kind of which bass line. What that meant is they actually part of the creative process. So then when the track gets released, everyone benefits from the upside. There's like. And there's other things around this we're looking into because they're actually owners of a percentage of that track. If everyone in the community pumps the record and the record goes gold, everyone can apply for a gold disc from the record label. And like, all of a sudden you're like part of a much bigger thing and a much bigger movement.
Building Music Communities
And when you start looking at how you can then join with other communities, with other games to kind of, you know, the music's just the thing that kind of gels everyone together. It's the way the community builds, which is like, for me, something I've never seen in kind of 20 years in music. And I've been in kind of rock bands, signed majors, toured the world for ten years, then gone into dance music, signed 150 record deals. So I've seen every trick with, like, kind of pushing records, and I've never seen a community as strong as this kind of come together so quickly. Like, even on the last release, within three days, we'd smashed, like, kind of, every record of kind of engagement. Cause if you think of, like, a fan, you're gonna listen to a song, like, three, four times. But if you're part of it and everyone's kind of hyping everyone up, hyping each other up and getting behind it's just a. It's just a much like a real different dynamic of a kind of fan of music or a participant in that music.
Transitioning to Artist Collaboration
I love that. Yeah, I completely agree with you there. And it's funny. So not to say shameless plug over here, but I actually released a record as well, with. Actually, it was the soundtrack of the motiverse, and we released that with Tina Guo and. And Steve Mazzaro. They're sort of the left and right hand of Hans Zimmer. And it's funny, like, speaking to them, they often talk about how no matter how many streams you get, you're earning cents on the dollar, and where was I going with that? I forgot where I was going with that. But I do want to kind of touch on the fan engagement side of things because I've just started collecting records, and you just see there's such a big opportunity for so many people, and Coldplay have just released one as well, where they're really trying to get their fans on board and sort of change the experience.
Comparing Perspectives in Music
And I will get to another question in a sec, but Emilio has his hand up. What's up? Yes, I just wanted to add one thing, because I always have to add the other side of the coin. So I think Mo and Matt touched on it very well from a bottom up approach, like, really community driven co creating and bringing something new and something collaborative to the industry. So I think that's one really interesting way to transform web three music. But on the flip side, if we look at what Doodles is doing, and obviously, I have to tap on doodles because I have to be representing at least some of it, what they've done, I think, with collaboration with Pharrell, with Lil Yachty, with Lil Wayne, and it's more of the top down approach. It's bringing these artists into the web three space, seeing and seeing. Showing them the benefits.
Bridging Perspectives in Music
Right? So they could be ambassadors to other artists of how, you know, they could break away from the mold of the music industry and really adopt web three in a more decentralized format. I think having that approach where it's bottom up from co creating and then top down from artists probing in, we're going to get a nice centralized core of web three and where music will go that touches all sectors and all the different individuals that do want to participate this. So I think from both sides of the coin, when we see this adoption starting to really play out in the next six months or a year, because we're seeing it today already, I think we're going to really see a nice shift in the paradigm or an evolution of music as a whole.
Rethinking Music and Technology Interactions
Dude, I absolutely love that. It feels like you wrote my questions because you've been inside my head and you've read my mind, because I do just talk, want to talk exactly about that. Bringing artists to the web three space and like you said, very similar to Doodles and the collaboration side of things. I want to go to Agoria now and ask how are artists benefiting right now from the decentralization that web three offers? Actually how many artists are currently involved and comparing that to the traditional music industry? Hello, can I be a bit provocative with everyone and start saying that web free music is not yet here and nothing has been descriptive yet for a major reason.
Challenges in Music Accessibility
It's very difficult to onboard people for the web three. What we all about here, I'm explaining myself. It's like the art has been fantastically embraced by the tokenomic, the NFT and all the platforms, because art was very difficult to reach, to collect, to know we had to go through gallery, we have to go to museum. And when were going there, it was very difficult to achieve, to collect one and to buy one. So heart has been really amazing, embraced by the web three because it has been the first time that we could make it mainstream, popular, accessible to everyone. But music is already accessible to everyone for ten year old, you can have everything, you know, you can access to everything in 1 minute, the old bank library of the world for many decades. So the problem, I think is not what tokonomics, what the blockchain, what's the technology, we're gonna make something appealing for the people.
Innovative Music Ideas and Formats
It's still the art, it's still the music itself. So how can we invent a new kind of music? How can we invent new way of producing music with blockchain, with technology? This is how people will come to web three, because they will understand that the only way they can achieve to collect, to listen or to produce things. And so far, I mean, I'm very excited to see what indoor is coming with this new product in the next weeks or months. And so far there's very few innovations real for that. It's always more about, okay, we're going to make you famous, you're going to get more money with us because freem is not paying. But that's a lie. Most of the time it's a lie because you still have to build a community and you still have to invest so much in marketing that if you're just a newcomer with not so much money, it's very difficult to build your community very fast.
NFTs and Music monetization
So what I'm saying since the beginning is like music, NFT can't work. Just like trying to replace what's not working in the stream, just putting a track on a blockchain and collect it. This will never work like this. I think what we need to invent is new form of formats, new form of audio, could be different of an mp3, could be different of that wave. I have a project coming soon where every time you're going to listen to the song, it's going to be a new version of the song. So it's audio generative project where it's kind of a quantic song in a way, because it's in the latin space, the track is keep running and as soon as someone is listening to it, then it's his own version, unique version, infinite version, that only the listener we're going to get.
Collecting Unique Music Experiences
So if you have something very unique for yourself, then it makes maybe a bit more sense to collect it. But if it's something that all can have, it's dangerous. It's a dangerous topic. So I can speak for hours about like this kind of philosophical approach of how every can change it and how I think, to be honest, art managed it. And music, we still have to think about ideas. I had like another ideas I did like recently, it's like one of my songs has been released on Spotify and everywhere, Apple and so on. And all the streams were benefiting to all my collectors, meaning 100% of the rights of the publishing rights, copyrights were coming all directly to the collectors that I had for my digital art.
Future of Music and Community Engagement
So that's a way to thank them. I think we need to invent mechanism to make this ecosystem very appealing for most of the people. Yeah, that's super interesting. It is provocative, but I definitely think. I don't think you're entirely wrong. Maybe some of the guys have other, you know, other thoughts. But I do agree completely with what you're saying about how, you know, we need to reinvent or not reinvent the way, but really push the way of still kind of creating this art of music, right. And whether that's through distribution.
Shifting Perspectives on Music Distribution
Like Mo was saying, you know, seeing artists write music on TikTok, release music via TikTok, or even, you know, going back to like, Ryan Teder putting music on MySpace and stuff like that and. Yeah, excuse me. What I mean is the art should be the core for sure. So the heart should bring everyone embracing technology. So the heart should be the first thing to think about when we speak about music. NFT, this is the heart itself. Like, music is an art for everyone. Music now coming just based something you could put in the background and there is no rarity anymore.
Creating Rarity in Music
I think we need music to make it rare again. And everyone wants to make music, like everywhere. I think it's the opposite. We need to make music very rare so people will think, oh, that's very something special. That's something I want to embrace, something I want to collect, that's something that I want to get for myself because it's super rare. And we make music, like, everywhere in the world. Like making, thinking that music, you can do it in one click also, because, for example, all the electronic music scene every single day show how fast is it to do a track.
Empathy in Music Creation
So they're in a plane and they try to sell you the idea that they just have a private jet and they did the music in ten minutes. So how can you get like empathy, how can you get, you know, like this desire of loving this thing? So I think this is my way of thinking of how Oeco since will benefit. And I think honestly, a few artists now start to think like this. So I'm quite sure that we are on the way.
Exploring New Marketing Avenues
Yeah, for sure. And it's, it's funny you say that. Right? And making it rare is definitely a good point because I heard an interview with Ryan Teder about him saying before when he produced, you know, if everyone had goosebumps in the room, you knew it was going to be a banger. And now some of them produce hundred tracks before they put something on. So, yeah, super interesting. I see both Mo and DJ have their hands up. I'm going to go with DJ first because I saw his hand up before. Sorry, Mo. Thanks, Mo. Thanks, Ali. I'll go first.
Musical Talent and Opportunities
Yeah. Goria. No, I agree with your take. Right. And I do think art has found its space within web three. And, yeah, that accessibility now and the ability to kind of discover independent artists and collect art, you know, those kind of traditional barriers are now gone. Right. Whereas it's very different from music, I think, as like an independent musician. Right. An independent artist. Traditionally, the routes you go down are, you know, you make music and then you either try and find a label or you kind of self release or self distribute.
New Routes for Independent Musicians
Right. And then those were really the only choices you had to get, you know, attention, to get spotlight or to get a following. But now, you know, with, I think with web three, what we see is it's much easier to reach small pockets of communities or people who really kind of vibe with one particular thing, a genre, a style or something like that. So I get what Agari is saying, where he's saying, you got to make it rare is that kind of that pocket of niche that you're aiming for or that audience that you're looking for, that's kind of what you're really targeting and trying to go for.
Evolving the Music Industry Landscape
So, yeah, it'll be interesting to see kind of how the space evolves and how these tools will enable, you know, creatives to really get their music out there in front of the people that really vibe and resonate with that kind of thing. Yeah, we're still early. Hashtag. Thank you, DJ. Let's pass it over to mo. I think. Super interesting take. It's. I agree, is music where it needs to be or web three music is where it needs to be? Well, it's not for still calling it web three music.
Transitioning Music and Growth Phases
It's similar to gaming. Web three gaming. Web three gaming will hit mass adoption once it's just gaming. Similar with web three music will hit mass adoption when it's just music. And we're not sort of giving it some of these terms. But I also think growth is super important as well when there's different stages to growth. And there are some really good examples of maybe companies like YouTube or Instagram or even Amazon in terms of how they found their product market fit initially to acquire users, and then once they had the user base that they were able to sort of generate network effects around that.
Learning from Successful Platforms
And maybe YouTube is a great example to start again, depending on how old some people are in the audience. Maybe they don't know the origin story, but YouTube started off by allowing website owners to embed videos in their website for free, which back then, this may not seem like anything today, but back then there was no other service that provided that but what they were also doing is you were embedding these videos in your website is they were uploading the same content onto YouTube which started attracting users. And what the content creators saw was actually, well there's a user base here, so we're going to create more content for this user base which then in turn brought in more users.
The Importance of Critical Mass
And then we had really positive network effects, if you like, and they hit critical mass. Instagram did something very similar with the free filters. At the time it was free filters to change your pictures on Facebook, on Twitter as well, and on other social media apps, but they were also uploading the content there as well. So sometimes the solution isn't to the problem itself, it's a slightly different solution which acts as a user acquisition funnel to bring people into a platform. And then once you have that critical mass, you can start to grow from there.
Stages of Growth and User Experience
So it really is about stages and I feel the stage we're at now, we're on the cusp of being able to onboard, let's say the next wave. It may not be mass adoption in the next wave, but we're close enough with the different solutions from core protocol, from Popex, from others in the space as well to be able to do that. So I feel we are getting closer and it's just we need to, and I know I said this earlier, we need to stop selling the technology.
Importance of the Experience
The majority of people unfortunately don't care about the underlying tech stack. They care about the experience, they care about who else is taking part in this. As humans we have a herd mentality. If I see all of my friends are doing something, I'm going to follow through and do that as well. Again, if BlackBerry messenger, back in the day everyone had the BlackBerry because of BlackBerry messenger. It was like MSN messenger but in your hand. And that was a first back then. And then WhatsApp came along and they were platform agnostic or they were interoperable for using web three terminology that I could have WhatsApp on android and or an iPhone as well.
The Impact of Network Effects
And what did we see? BlackBerry messenger died, blackberrys market share went to zero. And you can argue WhatsApp was a core reason for that in addition to maybe their tech or they just lost network effects. They didn't have critical mass within their ecosystem anymore and that was because of WhatsApp. I think it's important sometimes to zoom out and to understand where we are in the growth process, to understand what we can expect to come next as well.
Conclusions on Technology and Music
Yeah, I love that. Definitely stop selling the tech, people don't care. I feel like that's such a. Such a. At the end of the day, that is the truth, right? Like, if you look at what's happening now, like, this whole, it was pretty funny, like google and iPhone, you know, with rcs texting and stuff. Yeah, I don't think my grandma cares, dude. I think she just wants to send me a message and wish me happy birthday. So I think if we can.
Shifting Focus on Art
Yeah, if we can bring the masses on, sell them the art, that's what they care about. Right. I want to go on to sort of similar lines, but if we look at DJ's, like, you know, steve Aoki, for better or worse, bringing a lot of attention and awareness to the space, you know, and kind of revolutionizing the way in which web three impacts the music industry. Like, how do you see that impact and how do you see it catching on?
Understanding in the Music Industry
Are people in sort of broader music industry starting to understand? Starting to see it? We obviously have that with Pharrell. Matt, do you want to take a stab at that? Yeah, so we, yeah, we kind of started pub expert two and a half years ago, and I was walking into labels and, like, Live Nation, telling them about kind of our ideas. And, yeah, they were super confused, you know, but over time, because of, like, I guess, like, kind of ambassadors, like Steve Aoki and kind of like the dead mouse thing like Inda did, it's like, you know, when you see those artists kind of getting involved with it, I think it kind of turns some heads for us.
Artists and the Experience
Like, after we did download festival this year, and you can actually see that, oh, actually, you know, this isn't, we don't really have know about the tech. We just have to enjoy this experience, and it's given us different access to the artists. And, you know, that was enough then. And I think, I definitely think, well, Live nation are definitely kind of on board with it, and a lot of the major labels are dabbling. So I think mass adoption from that side isn't far away.
Key Evolution in the Music Industry
But, like, going back to kind of what mo said is it's got to be that network effect. It's got to be the thing that kind of really excites people, and it's not something that's there at the moment. Like, I don't think the music industry is broke. I don't think Spotify pay out enough, but I think it works. I think there's upsides to Spotify. Kind of when I started in music, I had to kind of send off a cd to London and then hope an a and r turns up and, you know, it was hard to get out there and then kind of Spotify come out and we drop a track and all of a sudden we got a world tour book.
The Good and Bad of Streaming Services
So, like, for all the bad things they've done a lot of good as well. And I just think is those kind of like the next evolution of mechanics, like, of how you kind of like experience art is what's going to kind of set web three off. Boom. Mic drop. Love it. It's a great answer there, for sure. I mean, with everything, right there is obviously the good and bad. I mean, a lot of people would argue that with web three as well, right? But yeah, I mean. Agoria, what is your take on?
Promoting Web Three through Influence
Oh, I see Jezza shooting his hand up. Go on, jezza. Oh, hey. Hi. Thanks, Ali. And thanks, Agaria. I just wanted to add that. So I think Steve Oyoki has done really well in terms of bringing attention to the web three space. I think he not just launching his own collection with its token gated social club that allows people to get closer and rub shoulders almost next to him or with people like minded to him, that's really attractive to his fans.
Steve Aoki's Influence and Outreach
But he's also purchased lots of NFTs, which means it's a great user acquisition for him since he's a big name and a lot of the people are kind of culturally inept with the kind of music he performs. This is the kind of people he wants to attract. And by joining these different NFT communities, he's also providing that outreach for other people as well. So brand partners and collaborators would be interested, because it's not just the concert goers that are attached to Steve Ayoki's audience, but it's also the other side, the digital space in which a lot of us start to spend time in.
Attention Shifts to Digital Spaces
So most of the time we're either on our phones or on our computers. We've been watching tv. So actually that's where all the attention is. It's much so less in the physical world and kind of COVID kind of accelerated all that. So Aoki being the kind of the first mover, maybe not the first artist, but one of the most prominent artists to start with, might have encouraged the likes of, like Pharrell to kind of join duo's and, you know, lil Yachty to do collabs, etcetera. So I think he's done quite well in terms of promoting the space for us as well. And music.
Reinvention and Growth in Web Three
Yeah, for sure. I think that's interesting, right? Like it's kind of, it's that whole like you said network effect. When you see your friends doing it, you kind of want to test it out and see what that's like. And if it, you know, if it works then you continue with it. Hopefully, you know, sure enough at some point, you know, that message spreads, right? Anyone else want to have a go at that? I feel like there were two great answers. Agoria, maybe I can say one word.
Escape from the Speculation Bubble
I think adoption will come if we escape this money driven bubble speculation that try to attract people to jump in. I think if you go through that's why I agree with more about the format and format will onboard people like if you this is how we gonna make everyone on board much more than if you buy, I don't know, ape or whatever collection PhP collection that most of the people lost 95%. So it was attraction at the time.
Creating Value Beyond Financialization
But then they all discovered and they have been rugged and then so they disgusted about this ecosystem that is ours. So I think we should, instead of trying to get like big names, showing that they have like this big collection, I think it's better to find like the best format to reinvent. What could music be in web three? So I just give some examples but you know, you can have a format that could adapt depending your room, your sound system, so it could like every time the track will be perfectly sounding, whatever your sound stem is.
Innovative Music Experiences
You could have like the track evolving depending your moods. I mean there are so many ways blockchain can really help in terms of changing the format and changing how we can reinvent and make people attracted by our passion and what we are doing here. Because the web three is a utopia to make everyone at the same level. When I started to be a Dj, the dj was not the God on stage, the dj was with all the dancers and nobody cares about the Dj.
Changing Perspectives on DJ Culture
Nobody was looking at the djdehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe nobody was thinking Dj was a hero in the party. Nobody really cared. It was like it was part of the game. Same as the sound system, same as the decoration, same as everything in the room. And I think web three, that's why I love web three is the same. You know, you can be a collector, you can be an artist, you can be a developer, you can be a CEO of an amazing blockchain, whatever, we all in the same boat and it's the same level of interest.
Future of Music in Web Three
And that's why we want to try to achieve in the. I think that's the beauty of the web three. And I think showing always, like, you can make this and this money with web three, I think, is the wrong angle. It's the same with all the app trying to sell you the idea. You do two clicks with a Prompt and you will do an amazing song. Okay. You will have this WOw effect. Amazing. But you will never listen this song again.
Authenticity in Music Creation
Because even if, for example, you take the voice of madonna or Snoop Dogg or pharrell or whatever, you want to make sure that it's the real pharrEll, the real madonna, in the real snoop, you want to be attached to it. So again, I'm provocative, but this is how I think we're going to make everyone step in our passion here. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, definitely reinventing. Sometimes we do have to reinvent the wheel, and I definitely think there's room for that here.
NFTs Enhancing Artist-Fan Relationships
Now, I do want to throw it over to ender because you guys obviously very recently launched, passes the core protocol in your eyes. In what ways can NFTs enhance the relationship between artists, ips brands and their fans? I mean, again, it's like so many different applications to it. I think what we're really excited about is the creator economy side of things, the ability for people to connect with their favorite ips and almost collaborate with them in a really fun, kind of seamless way.
Interactive Platforms and Artist Connections
So we have a product called Chorus, which is like an interactive remix platform. Artists like great musicians like Richie Horton Dixon, many others are releasing songs on this product because they want their fans to get closer to that music and play with it in a way that's not just like a passive stream. And the idea being that if the fan almost gets a chance to feel the music in the same way that the artist did in the studio, they'll get a deeper connection to it.
Collecting and Remixing Experience
And through that experience, they could collect it. You know, they could have their own version of that song that they can kind of have as a remix. And that's just one example where I think, you know, it's not just about the NFTs, but it's about the experience and creating something fun. And the NFT is just the medium, right. To kind of deliver this asset and to, you know, contain certain information within it that's important, right.
Integration of NFTs in Artistic Experiences
Information, things like that. But, you know, what we're really excited about is really transforming that kind of experience and that format. So we have a number of different products that are kind of coming out where the NFTs are a part of the experience. They're a piece of it in terms of what you collect. But really the experience is the main thing. Like, how do we bring the fan closer into this so that they actually want to collect that NFT and own it as a piece of history that they got to create with their favorite artists in some format.
Emerging Interactive Music Games
And we've also got a few other things coming out which I think are quite fun. There's a music rhythm game that we're launching on Telegram. It's going live this week, and it takes all of these songs that users have made and immediately turns them into playable levels. So you could make a remix of a really great track that you've made on our platform. You can kind of engage with it, and that song is now turned into this playable mini game on Telegram.
Expanding Experiences Beyond Listening
And other people can experience it, too. And, you know, that really kind of opens up, I think just, you know, not only the idea that I can collect a piece of music and have it as an NFT, but I can then also take it into other environments and share it with people. But it's not just a listening experience. It's now turned into a mini game. It's now kind of enhanced itself based on the new environment that NFT is kind of present within.
Comprehensive Experience with NFTs
We're very focused on, like, the experience and NFTs, you know, being really just the key piece of the medium. I think, Matt, you've been taken even rugged as a host, so maybe we'll host in the meantime, once you get brought back up, I think we're good. Oh, no, you're good. I know you're good. Don't disrupt your flow. No, that's good. Yeah. So that's the way I think about it.
Building Engaging Experiences
Like I said, it's really about, you know, one just building like really fun experiences. And then the NFTs are a part of that experience. They're a key piece of how we monetize and then also give the user value so that they can take that NFT into a different environment. And now suddenly it's not just a song, it's like a whole game experience within itself that other people could consume and enjoy and really just continuing to build that.
Innovations in Sound and Gaming
I know we have some stuff coming with motiverse where you could again create songs in our platform. And those nfTs, those songs are now going to be listenable in game environments. So I think it's all about distribution, as mo mentioned, and unlocking these opportunities where not only is it fun to play with, but then that piece of art that you've collected can be more than it was in one experience and kind of transforms itself as you take it into different platforms and universes.
Excitement for Game Developments
I love that. Tap tap revolution was one of my favorite games. So I'm excited to hear that you guys are building a rhythm game. Can't wait to play that. And I love whenever you mention nfTs, all the tokenomics hands go up. So I'm gonna. I'm gonna go over to mo. Do you got something to say or not? Oh, no, I think my hand. My hand wasn't up, but. All right, if. Yeah, I think so.
Economic Perspectives on Web Three
If you're coming to me, I want to double click very quickly on something Ogoria said, which resonated strongly. It's web three crypto. Right now. It's all about the financialization of everything. You can make money from this. You can get an Aihdem drop from that. And we've attracted a specific user base that, in general, is only looking to extract value as opposed to add value. And with music, especially with the culture around music, it's not.
The Need for Value Creation
I mean, it's extractive enough already as an industry. And if we're going to flip the narrative on its head, then it has to be about adding value, especially with what we're seeing with P. Diddy and all of this stuff, how much we. Don'T see. We don't speak his name. Okay, then maybe. Maybe Sean. Sean Combs, in that case. But all jokes aside, it's like you've seen a really dark side to the music industry, and web three can be that shining light to the music industry, where it's not just about how much money can I make, how many followers or streams can I get, but how can we actually make a difference and just go back to creating cool, dope music that people want to resonate with and listen to and vibe to?
Shift in Music Industry Narratives
Dude, that was. That was beautiful. I mean, that was. I love to hear that. I love to hear that. That was amazing. Thank you, Mo. And, I mean, while we've got you, we're going to throw it over to maybe something that is equally beautiful in a slightly different way, but Daos. So you're obviously the king of Daos here. What role do Daos play in reshaping? Sort of the production, the distribution, and kind of rights management of music?
Role of DAOs in the Music Industry
And I guess maybe Matt can also follow on to that. I think Daos is a scary word, especially a decentralized, autonomous organization. It makes it sound like AI. And with the Arnold Schweger film, and it's all coming to an end with Skynet and shit like that. But I think what we really have to think around daos is it's a way to organize a collective of people who have a shared mission or shared values.
Collective Organization Structures
And then what that organizational structure, that hierarchical structure looks like will vary from Dao to Dao, or from group of people to another group of people based on what their missions are. And so when we think about daos, you look at every the very first improvement proposal that's put forward, and you've seen this with the apes, with AIP one, you've seen it with open campus art education protocol, with OCP one. You'll see this with Mocha Versedao, which is launching at some point this month.
Values and Missions of DAOs
So it's a bit of alpha there with the first MIP that's coming out as well. The very first thing you see is these are the values of the DAos, or these are the value of the Daos. This is what the DAO stands for. So it's like it's a call to arms or a call to action, if you like that. This is what we want to do, this is what we want to achieve. These are our values. Are you joining us on this mission?
Token Weighted Voting in DAOs
And then what weve seen in v one of Daos is this idea of token weighted voting, which is the number of tokens I hold is directly proportional to the size of my vote, which is. Its a great way to start, but similar to us speaking about music earlier, saying there needs to be iterations and knowing where we are on that growth trajectory, its exactly the same with Daos. We have seen v one of Daos, and a lot of Daos, I mean, nouns Dao, probably the biggest.
Importance of Consensus in DAOs
But a lot of Daos haven't made it from last cycle to this cycle, because it's not easy to get a large group of people together and just achieve consensus on everything. It's very hard to achieve consensus, especially when in web three, everyone has an opinion, and a lot of people feel entitled and feel that their opinion is the right opinion, which isn't necessarily the case. But reputation is super important because as we start moving away from, let's say, one token, can one vote? You really want people who know what they're talking about to have a more meaningful say.
Expertise and Influence in Decision Making
I mean, if Matt, let's basic example, me, you and Inda, and it's a vote about something to do with motorsports. You're the expert on motorsports in comparison to Inder and myself. Yet we can outvote you if we have one vote each. That doesn't make sense to me. It's if someone has an expertise, a proven expertise in something, then they should have a more meaningful say in the outcome of what's going to happen because they understand it better versus all of us having an equal say or a token weighted say on things that maybe we're not experts in.
Future Directions for DAOs
So I feel daos are super important, but we're still early in the development of what these new decentralized organizational structures can look like. Yeah, super interesting and super interesting to hear it moving into a new sphere, a new way of, you know, new way of approach. Matt, do you have anything to add on to that in terms of maybe from the production side or distribution side?
Discussion on Challenges in Music Industry
I think Mo pretty much nailed it, to be honest with you. I know I ain't got nothing to add to that. Okay, well, I guess I'll stick with you then. I guess with a lot of these, you know, this emerging technologies, right, there are obviously going to be challenges. What are some of the biggest challenges that the music industry faces in adopting some of these technologies? I know we’ve talked about a lot around the fact that Web3 and crypto generally has a bit of a branding issue and it should be experienced first. But what are the other challenges that you’ve seen so far?
Overcomplication of Technology
I guess just kind of overcomplicating stuff. It’s so easy for people to access music now. It’s just one click. They’ve got any music they want in the world from. Anyway. Then this kind of projects coming out where you’ve got, you know, go to different sites, get wallets and remember like 12-12 word phrases and, you know, people just aren’t really going to do it. And I think that, like, I was watching my little cousin play Halo and I said, oh, yeah, I said, you know, this is built on like the Unreal Engine. And he turned to me, I don’t care. I just want to shoot aliens. And I thought that’s kind of it. And that’s what the music side’s got to be. It’s got to be like I’m experiencing like this new form of art in a different way and it’s just, you know, it’s just really cool and I enjoy it and I’m consuming it because I want to consume it and I’m not under any pressure that I’ve got to know about different tech or why it’s happening.
Seamless Experience for Users
And, yeah, you know, like any kind of experience that kind of is enjoyable. Like, all those barriers aren’t really there. And I think for, like, super mass adoption and for everyone to jump on, like, you know, it just needs to be seamless, really. Yeah. I love that, Matt. It’s very true. I gotta actually, while I see it, I got a shout out. Sire, don’t play another legendary DJ in the web three space. So thanks for tuning in, Agoria. Yeah, I just. Yes, sorry, I just. I totally agree with what Matt said about how can we make people, how can we onboard them? I just give two examples.
Live Minting Experience Challenges
Like three years ago, I did a live minting experience during a big show, music festival. And very few, even if, you know, everything was prepared to make it as simple as possible for people to mint what they were seeing visually and listening on stage, it has been very difficult to achieve to bring them maybe hundreds people on, maybe like a 10,000 capacity people were attending and only hundred make their minting experience very few. And recently I did an exhibition at Musee d'Orsay in Paris. And from this experience I said, okay, it needs to make it. We need to make it fun first to onboard people without even thinking that they might create a wallet, without thinking they might need a crypto whatever.
Fun Engagement with Technology
So the fun thing was that the visitor had to blow into their phone, they had to breathe into their phone through the microphone. They have to breathe and to blow. And by blowing into their phones, the piece of art had been created and were doing all the process for them to mint it. And like 95% of the people did it directly. But if it was just like, okay, here is the QA card. You just need to. To go there and mint. And it would have never worked. Maybe 100 people again would have done it. And I see people from ten years old, from 70 years old, totally embraced by this idea. So the way we present things is so important to bring people and all of the people.
Connecting Digital and Physical Experiences
Then I’m sure if you ask before the entry in the exhibition, do you like crypto, do you like web three? They would say, oh, no, we don’t want to hear about this. But by just the fact of asking them to do blowing into the phone, then they all get early adopters now. So I think it’s important. And I think if we merge digital and physical, it’s very important. Same as Mo was saying about the Dao. I have a group of collectors, because at some time I’m very feeling guilty that when I see people collecting 100 or 200 of my piece for so much money. So I created a group of collectors. Wherever I, you know, they can ask me everything.
Building Community and Trust
And it’s kind of an organic Dao where, you know, as soon as I can offer them things like inviting them to Olympic Games ceremony to go to start de France with me or to any conference, you know, I try to do it. So this is organic things. I really feel that we need to shape this link with people to feel that what we are doing is not complicated at all. Yeah, I love that. Definitely make things simple, make things enjoyable. I think, you know, the experience, that's one thing that everyone's definitely touched on today.
Disruption in the Music Supply Chain
I see DJ Choi with his hand up. Hey, thanks. Yeah, I just want to add on to that because I think, yeah, of course the technology is there and the friction and the barriers are there, but also I think we have to think about what part of the supply chain of music are we disrupting? Are we disrupting the distribution side or the live performance side or the listening side? Right. Because obviously they already established players in those space. And what is the incentive for those big players or major labels to come into web three when they already have a big slash of the pie and their revenues associated?
Future Prospects of Music Technology
So I think eventually there will be a disruption with some of these services or platforms. But, yeah, what will that be? So I think about that quite a lot, actually, is what part of the music journey are we looking to change? I love that DJ toy with the deep insights, guys. Thank you all so much for the incredible thoughts and feedback and all the amazing answers to all the questions I've asked today. I apologize if I didn't get around to every one of you, but we are closing in on the hour, so I do want to ask a slightly light hearted, lighter hearted question, I guess.
Favorite Songs Segment
And we'll go around the circle. We'll start with Agoria. What is your favorite song? That's the worst question to ask you, a DJ. Oh, my God. Every ten minutes I have a favorite song. But let me tell you, my favorite moment of happiness with music has been I went to. To a concert and I saw Sophie Salivo, which is an artist, and she's singing like Nina Simon x, Alicia Keys, ex Beyonce. And she's like 20 years old and she has everything. So I would say Sophie Salivo.
Sharing Music Memories
Wow. Incredible. That sounds amazing. Well, thank you. Agoria. Mo as you are on my screen, you're next in line. Birds flying high, you know how I feel stars in the sky, you know how I feel I think give it away it's such a feel good song. I love Michael Buble. Was it where was I? Drifting on by? You know how I feel it's a new dawn, it's a new day it's a new life for me and I'm feeling good. Didn't emo.
More Favorite Songs Decisions
It's amazing. But please tell us the truth. I'm a big fan of but tell us. It's AI right. Playing now. It'S hi, human intelligence. My wife just came in the room and asked, is this what you call doing work? And I'm like, yes, this is definitely doing work. That was beautiful. I mean, someone please clip that and post it. We have a challenger to Sanjay's rendition of Taylor Swift. So I think mo's probably in the lead with that one.
Personal Song Experiences
Thank you, Mo Indir, you're next. You can, you know, you can sing or you can just. Well, I'm not going to sing. That was a very fitting song as well, though. I thought you were going to drop in some music. Nft lyrics in there in the middle. Oh, God, it's so hard. I mean, I've got so many favorite songs. One, I'll give you a song memory like I was in best of all, four years ago Agoria was playing and he dropped Scala, which is one of my favorite tracks.
Sentimental Music Moments
It's a really beautiful journey of a song. He's got many incredible tracks, but that is always up there with one of my most favorite tracks of all time. And I remember hearing that in best of all and just like, I lost my mind. It was incredible. I'll give you that one. That's a great track. Amazing. Thank you, Ender. DJ toy.
Experiences and Song Selections
Yeah. I'm gonna have to say what Mo. I think Mo is my favorite artist now after that song. Whoa. That's probably an easy answer. That feels like a bit of a cop out there, but it's okay. We'll let you have it. Formal. Formal. We'll let you have it. Thank you, DJ toy. We're going to go to Emilio. What's your favorite song? So this is probably one that no one's going to get, but I would have to say it's spring day from BTS.
Cultural Impact of Music
My wife's a big BTS fan and I tried hard to fight it, but unfortunately, I'm army now. So I think that one was the song that pulled me in, because they sang about the tragedy that happened in South Korea with the kids on the. On, on that trip. So I think that one is probably the one that strung me the most. So I'd say. I'd say that spring day PTS. Beautiful. Yeah, great meaning to it as well.
Song Selection Process
Thank you, Emilio. Jeza. Oh, hey. Yeah, thanks for everyone, sharing your suggestions. It actually took me some time because I just, like, blanked out. Like, at first it was, Akon, and some of his songs came in my head, but then I think I settled on central C. Central C, he's got that song band for band M. For M. Maybach truck. I think he spits some facts sometimes, and it's all very catchy, honestly.
Daily Music Rituals
I listened to it in the morning to get me hyped up for work. Yeah. So Central Sea while you're stuck in central on the way to work listening to central C. Banger. Banger. Nice. Thank you, Jezza. Matt. Last but not least. Yeah, so I got more of, like, an experience from my favorite song when I was touring. We were out in Sweden and we ate some weird mushrooms and got lost in the woods and we couldn't find the tour of us.
Whimsical Musical Journeys
And then weird, like, don’t stop believing being blasted out. And we followed the music and it still took us about 40 minutes. But, yeah, we got back to the tour bus. So, like, whenever I hear that song now, I think, like, yeah, you know, you can do the impossible. If we could find our way back to that bus after all their mushrooms, there's nothing you can't do. Amazing. What a story.
Conclusion of the Session
Well, guys, all of you, thank you so much for today. It’s been an absolutely incredible episode of Token talks, calling it web three music jam session. So thank you for coming to this jam session. Hope to do another one of these again at some point in the future. But, yeah, guys, please make sure, for all you listening, please make sure you follow all the speakers up on here. My name's Sully. This has been a webview jam session.
Ending Thoughts and Farewell
I already did that bit. What am I doing? I'm losing my mind. But we'll close this off if Agoria will let us with Scala. Agoria. Is that cool? Oh, what an honor. Thank you so much. Thank you. All right. Thank you for mentioning this song. Thank you so much. Sorry. All right, let's take it away. Thank you, guys, and hope to see you again soon.
