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Behind the Mic
Reflections on Griffin Conine
Can you just take us back to your earliest memories of meeting a young Griffin and what it's like watching somebody like that play in a major league game. It's got to be a different relationship than you have with watching any other major league player. It's been interesting for me because I'm now of the age, shockingly, where I've had second generation players. Don't forget, when I was with the Expos, I had Vladi Guerrero senior and Vladi Guerrero junior was rumbling around, you know, as a two year old, hitting wiffle balls further than I could, you know, drive a car. So I've watched as kids have become men and become professional baseball players, and believe me, it's strange. Now you talk about Griffin Conine, who I was like an uncle. He was not a baseball player. He was a rebellious, skateboard loving kid who didn't want to play baseball, didn't care that his dad played baseball. And then one day he said, you know what? I'm going to pick up a bat. I may want to play. And it became his obsession.
Development and Growth
He became a big leaguer day by day, hour by hour, with a level of commitment that, frankly, neither never had the discipline that Griffin has. Jeff did not have the skill that Griffin has. Jeff Konine did not have. Griffin Konine is a better player than Jeff in every single tool. And I say that knowing that Jeff Kohanine is Mister Marlin. Jeff Kohenan has two rings. Jeff Kohan is a dear personal friend who I love very much, who we've gone through it all together. It's not even close. And Griffin could not get it together, cut down his strikeouts, figure out a way to be mentally strong enough to take the next step, and now he has. And it is so great for Jeff to see the way he feels. He can't even articulate to me what it feels like to see his son be a big leaguer and put it together the way he has. Except, and I end with this about Griffin. He's done the easy part. As hard as that's been, it's way harder to stay than it is to get to the big leagues.
The Challenges Ahead
And we would tell all the young players that, and Griffin's not young, so it is going to be really hard for him to stay as a big leaguer. And don't be fooled by the first two games in Colorado, the triple, the double, he's slugging, you know, 1500. You know, he ended a game recently with a double play. It's going to happen. And the way we would judge young players is not when they're two for three, not when they're hitting home runs and triples and doubles. It's when they're over twelve. Tell me how he reacts to that, and I hope that Griffin reacts well, and I hope he gets the chance he deserves. State of the fish. What's up, everybody? It's Eli Sussman here on the mic. We have Kevin so far with me as a fellow speaker on our staff, and we look forward to hearing from the rest of you guys. Feel free to request at any time and we will bring you in to talk about the week that was and the month that still remains in this Marlin season.
Exciting Developments
You may have recognized that voice off the top. That is from the official show. This week we put out an episode with David Sampson, the reviled former president of the Marlins. As reviled as he is a pretty talented podcaster and storyteller. And that's why we had him on the show, to talk about Griffin, Conan and a whole lot of other things. The jazz, Chisholm trade, Peter Bendix, the world baseball classic, and a lot of other stuff, some of history with the team and some of his memories. So if you have not checked that out, please, I do recommend you doing so. Wherever you get your podcast, just find fish on first and you can listen to that full 30 minutes interview with Samson right there. We did have him on in large part because Griffin had just gotten called up. If you were here on the show at this time a week ago, that's exactly when the news broke and it kind of took over the big part of our show.
The Initial Impact of Conine
Reacting to that because it was somewhat surprising that all of a sudden they made that decision to bring him up. How he was going to fit into this team was unclear, and now we have a slightly clearer image of it. Kevin, I think we'll just start with the week that was with Conine, because I think you and I went to this with pretty low expectations. He to us, is not a top 30 prospect in this Marlins organization, somebody that had pretty big question marks and some inconsistencies, even this season, and yet he finishes his first week as a big leader, hitting 300 with power, with good defense. Yeah, just sum it up. It has to. Definitely was a really encouraging start for conine. The big leagues. Yeah, he felt real comfortable. And I think honestly, the experience that he had at AAA certainly must have helped.
Conine's Journey
He faced a lot of big league arms down there, which I guess helps to a certain extent, you know, after that first bat where he struck out, you're kind of asking yourself like, geez, you know, like, is this gonna work? Is he gonna stick up here for the remainder of the season? And then thankfully, you know, he was able to adapt and I think he was just put in a really tough situation at first at that where, you know, he has the chance that believe you to walk it off. Not walk it off, but give the team the lead or I think tie it up. But yeah, certainly good stuff from Griffin so far. The strikeouts have been there, but he's really been able to hit well. I mean, 4417 entering this game today. He, I believe he also had an RBI today, I want to say or no, he didn't. He had a two hit day for Griff.
Gains and Progress
So he's been hitting well. And honestly, I think definitely the time of Triple A has helped. And defensively, I mean, we saw it a little bit as well in Colorado. He has a cannon of an arm. He's a, you know, he's an athletic guy, so it certainly helped him. That home run that he hit yesterday was no joke either. That was a bomb. So good stuff from Griffin Conan. You know, were told he wasn't going to play every single day for the most part. I think he's played almost every day. Maybe that's just a game or two here and there, but yeah, he's going to come back to long depot and tomorrow and, or not tomorrow on Tuesday. And let's see how that homestand goes for him to definitely going to be a tougher environment for sure.
Adapting to Challenges
You know, two pretty hitter friendly environments with Colorado and San Fran. So now it's going to get a little bit tougher for him. But I think, you know, I think the gaps are certainly going to help in long depot and overall a good first week for Conine. He played in six out of the seven games on the road trip. He started five of them. They went four and one with Conine in the starting lineup. Same thing from you, Alex Carver. Just your impressions of the first week of Conine as a big leaguer considering that our expectations coming into it relatively low and he's exceeded them so far. Man, his swing is good when he puts the bat on the ball, but yeah, this is kind of par for the course for Griffin.
Impressions and Observations
It's what we've seen from him in the past and the minors. The basketball has looked really good. That's what's most impressive is that he's not swinging and missing nearly as much as he really ever did in minor league baseball, but this guy's gotten on these hot streaks before, and it just so happens that he's one right now amidst his call up to the major leagues, which is great and a super cool story. So love that kid. I've been covering him since high school, Pine crest. He's awesome. Obviously, you guys know who his family is, and they're great, too. So proud of this kid right now, but I think we need to see more before we say that this is who he is full time. We've seen a little bit more of Kyle Stowers, and he got off to the exact opposite first impression.
Comparative Performances
I still remember vividly golden sombrero in his first game right after the trade. One of the pinned tweets that I have in here is looking back at a few weeks into his Marlins tenure, being one of the worst hitters in baseball. He was striking out a gazillion different times. As we're speaking today. He had the most consequential hit of the entire day with a three run homer, one of the longest homers for any Marlins hitter this year. I looked it up. It was the 6th longest home run, or maybe the 7th, right behind a bunch of Jesus Sanchez ones. One jazz bomb, one burger bomb. And then you get to Kyle Stowers, and he did hit it off a good pitcher that doesn't even allow homers. So all of a sudden, with this whole week, like Stowers putting up huge numbers, playing center field, even faking it in center to help Conan get into the lineup.
Dynamic Lineup Changes
So that's been an interesting twist. I was wondering how the pieces were going to fit together. And Star wars having a little bit more athleticism than the other corner guys and being able to fake it in center has allowed them to do some interesting things. Isaac, did you see this coming after he got off to that rough start? At least me, personally, I was wondering, like, when they might lose patience and send him down in place of somebody like Conan, but for him to flip the scripts and now all of a sudden, for his numbers to look sort of respectable has been really encouraging. Twist, I would say. Yeah, it's just really exciting to see him swing the bat the way he has. I'm with you, Eli. When. When Norby got the call and Conan got the call, I really thought both those times that Stowers would be the corresponding move to go back to Jacksonville.
Potential and Performance
Well, not back to Jacksonville. He was never there. But you know what I mean. Go back to the minor leagues and just work on some things. But since Norby got called up and, you know, they made their little joke. So once. Nor, now that I'm here, Kyle, you're going to start raking again. And literally, since Norby has been there, he has started raking. I think it's since August 19. He's got a 1000 OPS. He's slugging near 600 in those games. He's just putting the ball in play. He's putting the ball, he's hitting ball for extra bases. And the only thing, he's just not walking as much. And that was just always a thing. I don't think he walked in his major league tenure with the Orioles this year either. So I think that'll hopefully come with some time.
Exciting Prospects
But he has really just been carrying the COVID off the ball, like you said, showing positional flexibility, playing center field by and allowing guys like conine and I guess, you know, Derek Hill to be playing as well. So it's just really awesome to see the way this kid has swung the bat, and all of a sudden, you know, you see Konine swinging the bat. Kyle Stowers, you have, and Sanchez. Sanchez, you have three real nice, young, powerful left-headed outfielders, and, you know, that's gonna be a lot of fun to follow next year in big league camp. But, yeah, Stowers and Sanchez especially. I think you have to be really excited about the possibility of those two guys, at the very worst, being strong platoon options for your offense going forward.
Performance Analysis
One thing that sticks out to me, this is my first time looking at the breakdown of it, but you could tell just by the eye test, by watching how much he's using up the middle and the other opposite field, how little he's pulling the ball as a Marlin. And yet it's being really successful when he shows the power like he did today in his previous home run, the one in Colorado. That was all the way to the opposite field that he could have that success without trying to sell out and pull the ball. That's one way to cut down on the strikeouts that he had those first couple of weeks as a Marlin. If you look at his, this was coming into today, his pull rate was right at 33%, only about one out of every three balls he was actually hitting to the pole side, which is well below league average overall.
Future Considerations
And as long as you have, you're still impacting the ball at the right angle and you're able to hit line drives to those other fields. That's the key to being a more consistent hitter. And so that's what's been pretty exciting to me about Stower so far, but it's just a sigh of relief, honestly, because he was the one guy, 15 younger players that they acquired the deadline. He is the only one that goes straight onto the big league roster and for him to look so totally overmatched those first couple of weeks was. I just felt terrible for him. Like it must have been. Thankfully, he was in a situation where not that many people are paying attention because the team is totally out of contention. But that being said, like, there was still somewhat of a microscope on him and now he's yeah, things have settled down and at least he doesn't have to sweat about potentially going down.
Current Standing
I think he could feel pretty comfortable knowing that not only is he going to play, but he's going to bat near the top of the line of hitting lead off today. Of course, if you guys have been following it closely, was Norby that has been hitting lead off the entire week with Xavier Edwards injured and fingers crossed, if Edwards comes back these next couple days when he's eligible to return from the IL, I'll be fascinated. That'll be the first time in a while that I'm fascinated to see what the batting order looks like with Edwards, with Stowers actually playing well with Norby, and now with Griffin Conine being in that lineup almost every day, at least against right handed pitchers.
Observations Around the Team
We think pretty wild game today, though. We pointed out that they have won five straight games on Sundays. Every day that we do these spaces over this last month, they win these games, they don't have a good record in any of those other games during the other days of the week. For whatever reason on Sunday, the motivation to finish the series, to have a happy flight, that apparently does a little something for these guys because they have been found finding ways even today. We were talking about it before the game about this is one of the more lopsided on paper matchups they've had all year, bringing up Darren McHaken, who hadn't started a game in the majors all year and who wouldn't want to start a game under any circumstances going up against Logan Webb on the road.
Unexpected Success
And somehow they score six runs off of Logan Webb, who is quietly, consistently one of the more better pitchers in all baseball. And for them to do that on a day where Norby is resting and where they're playing. Jose Devers, Jose Devers in the starting lineup, that's another tiny storyline here. Carver, I wanted to talk to you about Nick Fortes because you have been pretty critical about him, at least privately talking about his future or lack of future with the team. But now going back to the all Star break, pretty much he was one of the worst hitters in all baseball before that. Since then hitting about 340 since the All Star break, most of it is singles.
Performance Analysis of Fortes
I get that it's a little bit of an empty 340, but there's no such thing as bad 340. Still makes a lot of contacts, even throughout a runner today. He's been a lot better at throwing out runners than he had been in previous seasons. Is he leaning closer? Are you leaning closer to thinking of him as somebody that could be at least a backup for this team moving forward now that the offense has slowly crept up and steadily crept up over, you know, the last month and a half or so? A backup? Sure. The guy is not a starting catcher, unfortunately, and it's the best catcher the Marlins have right now, which just explains where they're at.
Future Considerations for Fortes
That stretch being what it is, he like, he still came into this game, too, for his last 18, so you can take that for what it's worth as well. But yeah, I think that this is a guy that figured out how to hit, forgot how to hit, and then, you know, apparently maybe figuring it out again, but it could have go the other direction quickly again for that player. I understand that catcher is the least offensive position on the diamond, but you got to do better than what this guy has done. And, you know, a couple months of decent batting is not going to make me feel differently, especially when he doesn't have standout defense.
Fortes' Current Standing
I think his defense is okay. I don't think it's standout defense. So yeah, he'll be a backup next year. Augustin Ramirez, also, I don't think it's a catcher, so maybe it'll be for test again that we'll see on opening day because I don't think they're going to stick with Augustin as a catcher. They'll probably try it at major League Baseball, at the major league level, but I don't think it's going to stick at all. That guy is the farthest thing from a defensive catcher. Even though his offense is worlds away better than Fortez Fortes, his defense is worlds away better than that guy.
Future Prospects
So they had kind of have two opposite ends of the spectrum with two different players. They have the offensive guy that isn't a catcher, and then they have the defensive kind of defensive guy that isn't a hitter at all, so. Or almost not at all so good stretch, but I'm very skeptical about Nick Fortes, his ability to hit consistently at the rate that he's currently doing or at all. So, no, this doesn't really change my mind. I still will stick to the fact of what I said is that this guy is not a good offensive baseball player.
Debating Fortes' Value
Yeah, I think it's a little harsh on Fortes. This guy is going to, I think he's going to reach a million dollars in arbitration this year, and I think that you're just a little bit undervaluing just how much he means to that pitching rotation. Obviously, none of the guys that are, that he's catching right now are going to be there next year. But, you know, when you get all. Those guys, the four guys that didn't even play at AAA with him or didn't spend, you know. Right. That's not, that's not, those aren't who I'm talking. Those aren't the guys I'm talking about.
Discussions on Future Roles
The ones who are on the IL and the ones that Marlins are going to trust for test to catch for the first half of next year. I assume it's going to be very valuable for this team, even if he's opsing 550. You guys said the same stuff when the Marlins had Sandy Leon on the baseball team. I know. No one said that. You guys, you guys literally all. He means a lot to the pitchers. He means no Sandy. Al Contra can literally throw to a cardinal cardboard backstop and have no problem doing it. Uri Perez could do the same thing.
Evaluating Catching Performance
It's overrated. It really is overrated. And especially if you take like, let's say next year or maybe not next year or next CBA, let's say they bring in freaking the abs. You're not talking about framing then you're taking away framing. So catchers mean even less. I think it's an overblown thing. I think it's coach speak that people say that, oh, well, he means a lot to the pitching staff. I think it's a coach speech that speak.
The Importance of Relationships
I think it's the relationship between a starting pitcher and a catcher like Jose and Mathis, Sandy and Stallings. You can't, you know, there's, it's very important. You can't, you can't say that it's not Carver. I understand that maybe it is overblown. Maybe to say that he belongs starting games because of that is ridiculous. Unfortunately, I think he is, just because of the fact. I do think they're going to give Ramirez a lot of chances at catch at the big league level.
Future Considerations
But, you know, spring training isn't enough time for him to get acclimated with all these guys.
Familiarity and Catcher Dynamics
With Sandy coming back, they're going to want some familiarity and they're going to go the four test for at least the first three months of the seat. I think. I don't know what the plan is, but he's going to be their main guy next year at capture probably, but. Only because August and it's probably not going to be a catcher. And I think that he's going to get a lot of. They think he's a catcher. That's not what I why I think Fortes is going to be there. I think it's going to be for the reasons I stated previously that they're going to want Sandy and weathers and Yuri to throw to Fortes. I think that's very overbought. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but I'm saying that's the reason that Fortes will be catching. Not just because that Ramirez or how you think of him as a catcher. I think that's a very overblown thing to mention is the relationship with pitchers.
Catcher Relationships and Adaptations
I think that's ridiculous. These are profound entirely. These minor league catchers, the guys that are in the minor leagues, they go up and down in some cases week to week and see different pictures all the time. So like what? What is very overblown. I agree to disagree. I didn't think were going to spend that much time on that subject. One last thing I should add. The tangible stuff, the measurable stuff with his defense has been pretty good this year, too. Yeah, very good year. Where he is best of the best at blocking pitches in the dirt and, you know, avoiding pass balls like by some estimations ten runs above average just by blocking alone. And as I mentioned, with the throwing out of the runners, he's thrown almost as many, almost as any caught ceilings this year as the last two years combined. And that's while catching less endings this year than he did even last year.
Future Prospects and Salary Concerns
His pop time is quicker, his throws are more accurate. That's a lot of credit to him because that's something you generally don't see a whole lot of improvement out in the major league level when the guy's already there and already was somewhat like catching almost half the games last year and all of a sudden, he's gotten a lot better at that. Little things like that could add up and make a difference. What do you think his salary will be next year, Eli? Well, unfortunately for him, those defensive things don't get you paid much at all in arbitration. The things that do get you paid, like playing games and hitting and producing runs, is so low on the spectrum that I think it's going to be not a ton more than he's making right now. Even as an arbitration eligible guy should be a tick below a tick above 1 million. Just a couple hundred grand over the minimum, I would think, for him. Yeah, I agree with that. I just want to. Yeah, I do think it'll be a million. He'll clear a million.
Catchers and Organizational Dynamics
Yeah, it's, things have to go really badly for a catcher for you to move on, such as with Stallings, the way that he produced his two years with the team that even him as a veteran player who had won some accolades in the past, he was only at three and a half million or so, and that's on the high end for a defensive first catcher right there. So when you get one and you like one and everybody gets along, then those guys usually stick around for a while. And that would be, if he does stick around, it's the kind of continuity they have not had at the catcher position, obviously, since real Muto and I, one, that in itself is kind of rare right there. Not, not to play, you know, go back and, you know, Monday morning quarterback everything. But can you imagine where we would be? Like, this conversation would be so not even on the table if they just agreed to trade Peyton Burdick to the Cubs.
Assessing Waiver Claims
For Wilson. This is what we're going to talk about. Oh, my God. Yeah, we're going to talk about it. I'm just saying, like, we can move on. That's where we're here. Because of shit like that. I was randomly thinking about Peyton verdict today and how wrong I was about him, and I thought he was going to have a much more substantial major league career than he has to this point, neither here nor there. The bullet, this is something I mentioned on stream. I want to very quickly mention it here. You can agree or disagree. And I think Marlins found another legitimately interesting waiver wire bullpen gem in John McMillan. He threw another one, two three, ending today with a couple more strikeouts.
Evaluating McMillan's Performance
Another high leverage situation. He had a good road trip, three separate appearances. Didn't allow a single hit while pitching in Colorado and while pitching against the Giants right there. It's a 186 era overall. It's still, it's below average control, perhaps even way below average. But that slider is legit. He has allowed one hit on his slider since he's been with the Marlins, and at this point, it's almost a month long. Whenever he finishes at bats with that pitch, either gets swings and misses or he gets contact that stays in the ballpark. I think, including today, that number is now one for 22 against his slider with nine strikeouts. Either that or one for 21. Something insane like that.
Future Considerations for Bullpen
So far, I don't think any Kevin do happen to have a strong stance on John McMillian. I think at this point he is highly likely to be in that mix for their opening day job next year. I think they found a guy that might actually have a substantial career moving ahead as somebody that misses bats in important situations. Yeah, I mean, we're kind of talking about this on the stream, as you had mentioned. And, you know, when you kind of go to fan graphs and you look at those top four relievers and that little graphic that they show you in roster resources, you kind of think all four of those guys should be in the bullpen to begin the season at least, you know, and with Foshe, Tanoco, Cronin and McMillan.
Bendix's Strategies and Future Projections
And honestly, that's the Peter Bendix thing right there. You know, he's going to find these waiver wire guys until one of them hits, you know. So McMillan's been good, as you mentioned, the sliders, really nasty. And I know he's not a qualified pitcher yet, but once he is, I think we'll unlock a couple more of those baseball savant metrics, but a lot of those are red right now. So I, I have not watched too much John McMillan, to be honest with you, but definitely a guy who I know when they claimed, and I was looking through Twitter and it seemed like every, a lot of people were pretty excited about what he could provide, and the sliders been nasty.
Waiver Wire Success and Expectations
It's a two pitcher, so, yeah, I mean, you'll take that any day of the weekend. A lot of years of control. So no rush at all with anything. And it's definitely, you know, Peter Bennix has done well, Cronin, Foshe, I guess, Tanoco to a certain extent, and now MacMillan, he's been able to find these guys and really, you know, I guess bring them to this organization where they've found a lot of success. So if there's one thing that's worked this season, it's been those waiver wire claims and this is turning out to. Be another one of those reminder to people. Just put in a request if you have a question or you have a take that you want to get out there.
September Call-Ups and Team Strategy
Majors or minor league stuff. As we head into this final month of the season, the September call ups for today were underwhelming. It was Macken and it was Johnny Pareda for some reason, just because they had, I guess you don't. If I remember in recent years, you don't have to call up somebody on that first day to fill up the 28 man roster. I feel like in the past there's been a year or two where they didn't do it immediately, but in this case they did. And I don't know how much Paredo is going to play because Fortas is clearly the main catcher moving forward right here. But we do expect both of those guys that very short stays on this roster.
Potential Roster Adjustments
Carver, once they do get back to Miami, who do we think, realistically, most interesting possibilities that they could actually start shuffling into those final couple expanded roster spots, get, maybe get a look at some guys. We haven't seen much at all this year. I mean, I wish I could tell you that they'd call up like, you know, Davis and Dale Santos and like give Marlins fans something to be happy about the last couple weeks of the season and get people out to that stadium, but I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if they're going to start clocks. I don't know. I don't think so.
Control and Player Management
I don't. I think they're going to play the control game again. I really don't think they're going to call up guys like that. I think that Josh Simpson is a guy that you'll probably see up to fill innings. I know he's on the 40 man, but I think he's on the 60 day. So you got to make room, right? So that guy I think will be up. They moved Monteverde to triple A today. He started. So maybe him, maybe Adam Mazer, maybe. I would say that's probably the most exciting one that they would look at is Adam Mazer. I don't think they'll start clocks on positional guys personally, but maybe they'll prove me wrong because Dale Santos is a ridiculous human being and he deserves to be up. But we'll see.
Expected Underwhelming Moves
I don't know. I would say you're probably going to be underwhelmed, honestly, in terms of what they're probably going to do with roster control. So probably Adam Mazers. They're going to be probably the most exciting one you see. Yeah. To get people caught up and familiar he today he would have been on short rest. He wasn't fully rested from his previous start on Wednesday, where he shoved yet again for the second straight time for Jacksonville. If not, then I feel like it would have been a strong possibility to come up. I do not think they're going to be giving games, giving starts to Darren Maccaken moving forward, this felt very much like just a one time spot start situation.
Injury Implications and Future Moves
They do have that void hoping to get Ryan Weathers and Braxton Garrett back before the end of the year, but to this point they haven't even begun rehab assignments yet, which leaves this temporary opening right there. So I co-sign that completely that we could see major considering he's already gotten big league time, gone back down, worked on some things and dominated each of the last couple of times where it looks like he could benefit, like he doesn't, there's not a whole lot more for him to down there and might as well get his feet wet yet again now with a new organization at the big league level, he's around right here hoping that Xavier Edwards is back from the IL as soon as they come back to Miami and then maybe Parede goes right back down.
Minor League Award Discussions
His stay on this roster might not last very long whatsoever. Do we want to go through quickly the idea that you guys submit to me about a possible minor league award winners just affiliate by affiliate with some of the guys as the season winds down at those levels, ones that you think we should touch on here? Yeah, let's. Let's do it. I mean, there's not much more to talk about on the major league, to be honest with you. But really quickly before we do that, I mean, Xavier Edwards, I believe is tomorrow that he could be reinstated.
Roster Dynamics and Returns
Technically, I know it's an off day, but sometimes we do see some of those roster moves happen. So I mean, if parade is going down at any moment, it would be now for Edwards and then I think Bender should be back soon. So those probably will be your final two roster spots being filled out there once Macaquen and Pareda are removed from the 26, our 28 man roster now. And I wouldn't be totally surprised if Elvis Alvarado gets a shot, I hope, throwing right hander for Jacksonville, who got off to a slow start this year and has been the best reliever in the organization over the last four months.
Impressive Performance Expectations
If you go May to the current day. He's unhittable. He misses bets against righties and lefties. He's his fastball sits 99 mph. He is right. I think he's the hardest thrower in the whole organization to this point. And he's throwing enough strikes, getting ahead and counts enough that he's been dominant at AAA. Very hitter friendly environment, which is, by the way, his first time pitching at AAA. He had barely any double A experience prior to this year, and that makes me even a little bit more intrigued that he's at that level for the very first time and pitching so well.
Roster Considerations
He's somebody that needs to go on the 40 man roster after the season anyway. Otherwise he could leave as a minor league free agent. But I would like to see him because went, we did the rundown of relievers on the roster right now and we named four guys that are possibly part of the team's future. And then there's bender coming back from the IL. But there's a few other spots there of suspects that don't need to be on the roster. You know, they don't need to see a whole lot more from Kent Emanuel. They don't need to see. They're not even using Austin Kitchen, who has been up for like five days now that there's there are pretty obviously places where they could make a swap.
Upside and Future Performance
If it's somebody that has a lot more upside. I'll throw in. Sorry, Kevin, I'll throw in for hardest thrower in the organization. I think you're probably right, but I'll throw in Josh Ecknis, who is a stud. That guy is good. He probably should be in Double A right now. That guy sits 97 98, can reach 100 to 101. That guy is awesome. And I put it on Twitter today. In two of his last three games, he's thrown two innings and struck out five guys in each outing. He's insane and he should probably be in double A.
Potential Call-Ups
I like that guy. I think he's good. He's on our top 30 list for a reason. Even though the Marlins brought in a bunch of new talent, he's still in the top 30 for a very good reason. Outside of that, I would say for guys that relievers that they could take a look at, I mean, maybe they'll throw me a damn bone and give me one in the call up contest that we did earlier this year and call up the Wallbird Aria, who will be rule five eligible again if he doesn't get called up. So I think that guy could be there as well.
Disappointments and Future Considerations
Yeah, I think the only other real one that makes sense because unfortunately, Anthony Moldon auto has just been so disappointing. But yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, I really can't think of anyone else at that point. Alvarado, I hope he gets called up because, God, he would be fun to watch up there. Just throwing 90, 99, 100 miles per hour fastballs. That would be pretty fun to see.
Long-Term Expectations
And I think it's worth noting that Brent Deguss is still on this team and in a 40 man spot, I want to say. So if they ever need to call someone up, Brent August will be on the major league team soon. But, you know, someone like Mike Bauman could honestly get the FH soon. He was used a lot the other day. Used him today. Xavier and curry with 28 pitches. I mean, there's guys that are going to be down for Tuesday. I guess the off day helps a little bit, but I wouldn't be surprised if we see a decent amount of roster moves on Tuesday with, you know, just how depleted the bullpen is in terms of usage.
Consistent Ideas from Parrish
Okay, I'm bringing Parrish, who almost always so consistent, calling in with good ideas on these shows. Go ahead, Parrish. What's on your mind? Hey, guys, I appreciate y'all let me. Come on. I just had one quick question. When you guys were talking about the Fortes situation with the catcher and Gustin situation, as far as bringing, you know, whether he should be called up, how do we separate? Because again, you guys said that skip probably won't be back.
Bendix's Influence and Coaching Dynamics
So how do we separate what Peter Bendix might do? I guess towards the end of the season and going into the end of the season from what, I guess a new coach will want to do with some of the players on the team and how that, I guess how that works out, I think you would have to assume in most cases that whoever Bendix brings will almost certainly have a lot of not same philosophies, but certainly have the same beliefs that Bendix thinks.
Future of the Catching Position
So you would assume the catcher situation would be handled like that? Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised. I know Joe Mac probably won't be on the major league roster next year, but I would certainly wouldn't be against it. But I really don't know how they're going to handle this catching situation. Fortress probably sticks around with Ramirez. No? And, you know, Fortas will catch most of the games with Ramirez catching a couple and Ramirez will dh. I've had to guess, but, you know, maybe there's a world where Joe Mac comes up at some point and we'll see what happens there.
Managerial Decisions and Front Office Influence
But yeah, I think. I think we'll just see a case kind of like last season, honestly, where Fortas was catching most of the games and stallings caught a couple. I think that's kind of what we'll see. I guess I hope that kind of answers your question, what you know they'll do. But when it comes to a manager, I think that guy will have to agree with. Not have to, but he will agree with what Bendix says. I mean, Bendix will choose a guy. That doesn't agree with what he thinks.
Understanding the Limits of Managerial Perspectives
For the most part. At the root of your question was, I think the idea that whether skip is necessarily what skip, the players that Skip wants to have on his roster and how he wants to use them. And what I'll say is that Bendix is the one that has control over the players and Skip has to just play the cards that he has dealt on this roster. I do not think, in fact, I have a strong suspicion that Skiff was against the idea of having six throw Sanchez in his starting rotation for the better part of a month.
Dynamic Player Utilization
And you could just name one example. There are many examples we could go through on this roster where guys that simply didn't think were good enough or ones that just weren't suited for a certain role had to fill those roles on this Marlins roster because those were the hand, those were the guys that Skip was given and had to make work and had to use it in some sort of a sensible way with some front office suggestions about, you know, what they think those players can do well and how they can contribute one way or the other that. But it is out of Skip's hands in terms of which players are brought up at a certain time.
Front Office Relationships
It's. I don't think he's having a ton of fun with a roster that's half filled with all these waiver wire additions, even with a few that we've shouted out that have actually been better than anticipated. Overall, it's a group that would be more talented if they were willing or they're more aggressive about calling up guys that are currently in Triple A, whether it is de los Santos or Guston Ramirez going on down the line, that there's still more guys down there that have more upside than the ones that are on this roster right now.
Balancing Organizational Priorities
That being said, it's about balancing. Well, it's not even about balancing. It's about making do with what the front office has in mind. And the front office wants to get a look at so many of these different players down the stretch, even if they don't fit together in that much of a sensible way. There is value in a season like this to getting looks at so many different guys. because you have this playing time available and you're not worried about the wins and losses, it's, there is value to at least cycling through all these different players, even if you have low expectations for them to.
Managerial Challenges and Future Outlook
Yeah, I mean, you're right 100% is that this is not, these are not skips decisions. What I would say, though, is this is the first time this manager hopefully, I mean, it's very likely. I mean, we don't know for sure what he's going to do, come back or leave, but I think we have a good idea about what he's going to do right now, and we don't think he's going to be back, but we'll see. You know, maybe the Marlins can salvage it and maybe he comes back.
Uncertainty Surrounding Management
Who knows? I don't think so, but we'll see.
Skip's Role and Observations
Anyways, what I would say, though, about Skip is that even though he didn't, I mean, maybe his opinion is heard, and I'm sure that they ask him how players are doing and stuff like that, but ultimately, it's up to Bendix about who to call up and who not to call up. Just like it was up to Kim Ang who to call up and who not to call up and down. He had to deal with it. Right. So what I would say for Skip that I've seen for the first time since covering this team is that, you know, during spring training, and I'm sure during the season, he makes time to go and learn about minor league players. He goes out to the backfields. He watched every single time that Thomas, White, and Noblemeyer pissed, he was out there in his golf cart sitting there watching other players as well, not just them.
Understanding Players for Team Success
He was out there for other players as well. So he wants to know these guys because he wants to know who's best for the team so that he can give informed opinions. And I think that he does give opinions to the organization about who's good enough to be here and who's not good enough to be here. That doesn't mean Bendix has to listen. That just means he's making informed opinions, which I think is important. So I hope whether Skip stays, maybe he does, or whoever the next Marlins manager is, does the same thing, because I think it's important. Pulling up a comment that we got on this chat from Ben Meyer. Do you think Javier so Noha gets called up in 2025 that he's still young, but he makes consistent hard contact throughout all the minor league levels?
Expectations for Sonoh
That seems like a given that Sonoha is going to be up at some point next year. He's talking about 2025 at some point next year for sure. With Sonoha, he's about to turn if you're interested in pre-planning birthday wishes on Tuesday he turns 22 years old. Javier snoha so there's no urgency right now just because of how rapidly he has progressed relative to his age, playing against even when he at Double A, he's playing against much older competition. And now that's certainly been the case throughout his entire run at Triple A. And the way that he's performed has, I think, blown everybody away. The fact that he makes just as much contact against the best minor league pitching has to offer as he was in the lower levels of the minors a year ago and he was playing most of last year at low A.
Evaluation of Sonoh's Performance
The contact rate hasn't dipped at all, still drawing his fair share of walks, and there's enough extra base hits in there that's not an entirely empty batting average either. Also, for him to somehow maintain this versatility where he's playing a lot of shortstop and a lot of center field and a lot of second base, not very many guys in that situation, this stage of their career, that's something you usually reluctantly do in your late twenties or in your early thirties when you're trying to just show as much versatility to find some way to contribute. The fact that he is actually getting proficient at all those different positions makes him really useful and I would think a lot more valuable than most other utility guy candidates. So certainly for next year we do expect to see a lot of Sonova at the big league level.
Potential Call-Up for Sonoh
The question is how early in the season he gets that shot. I can't remember in recent memory, I can't remember a player that has gone from low A to Triple A and done what he's I can't even remember a player getting called up past two levels in the Marlin system to at all ever man. I mean, maybe late in the year they just like need to fill in and they call guy up. But to get significant playing time at the Triple A level and to do what he is doing, it's the first time I've ever seen it and it's absolutely amazing what that guy has done. He is extremely mature for his age. The bats of ball skills are absolutely insane.
Sonoh's Skill Development
He's come by even more hidden power. Maybe some of that is because Jacksonville, which is fair, but he's come by even more hidden power than his frame would suggest. And, you know, even though Jacksonville's hitter friendly, we all know that, especially to right field, the guy hits to all fields and he's put the ball out to all fields this season, which is awesome, at least very deep into all fields. Very awesome. I like that guy a lot. I think that he is very, a very cool story. Very advanced for his age. And you'll see as you like that. I agree. You'll see him a lot in 2025.
Sonoh's Future Prospects
Yeah. I mean, you honestly could have even made the case that he deserves to be up this year because just how good he's been and how much he's been able to kind of produce AAAA, you don't really see that too often. And even, you know, when he first got that call or promotion, in this case to Triple A, I mean, a lot of us were shocked because this 21 year old at the time who was maybe a week or two into his double a stint and he had finally just got it going a little bit, you know, he wasn't great to start off his double tenure, but Devers went down, which, you know, now he's on the major league team and so, no, took over.
Defensive Performance and Consistency
And honestly, when you're producing at the rate that he was, it's hard to tell the guy, hey, we're going to set, we're going to demote you again because we have to bring back Jose Devers. And, you know, shout out to Javier Sonoh. He's been able to do it. And playing very good defense that center field and short, he's been able to stick at those two positions, which honestly, I don't think many would have thought he could do. And surprisingly very sneaky power, I guess with those couple of home runs that are kind of funny to watch. But, yeah, I mean, he, you could have made the case that he deserves to be up this year, but I think he definitely could be fighting for an opening day spot come next season.
Discussion of Opening Day Role
I think there's a world where he does it right now. They don't have a center fielder. Honestly, you're running Christian Pache out there with Dane Myers whenever he comes back, so no hook. Could probably play center field next season for the Marlins opening day. Unquestionably, if the season ends today, he's minor league player of the year. We need to go through those at some point. Do you want to transition to that right now. Before we wrap up, we could quickly run those. Okay. So just to refresh people's memory, they, at least historically, we think this is still going to be the case right now.
Marlins Awards and Historical Context
Well, we don't know because it is slightly different. Well, it is a much different front office that's running these things. Historically, the Marlins give out awards for their best hitter in the organization the previous year, their top pitcher, and then they pick MVP winners from each of the affiliates from triple A all the way down to the DSL. So who do you guys jotted down some ideas about who we think is in pole position for those awards? I guess start with the big ones with the, you know, the hitter in the year and the. Yeah, no, yeah, you're right. Service member of the year.
Service Member Awards Discussion
Let's start service member of the year, too. I shouldn't forget that. Yeah, there are also at least one, maybe two of those, like, intangible awards that are about the non baseball. There's student of the year as well. Yeah, we don't need to do service member, but carver, I'll let you start off with overall minor league player of the year. So the minor league player of the year is, to me, is Sanoha for sure. Just for everything that we just said. I'll leave it at that. I'm gonna go with Joe Macd. Sonoha. You know, it's hard because Joe Mac has definitely shown the power aspect of it, which unfortunately just Sonoha hasn't.
Choosing Between Players for Awards
And, you know, it's, he has different tools. So it's hard to just say, you know, I'm going to choose this guy because of this. But I feel like Joe Mac has been more consistent for the most part. Got up to a little bit of a slow start in Double A, but honestly wasn't that very slow. He got it going very quickly and he has been very good. Sonoha can play both positions defensively, but I'm going to go with Joe Mac as my overall minor league player of the year, and I think I know where Eli is going to go with this. I would go with Joe Mack, too. It's a little awkward.
Analysis of Player Statistics
What's fascinating to me is how Sonoha is the peak of defensive versatility at those premium positions. And Mac, it's almost split down the middle between the games he's catching and how often he's d aging, and that no doubt makes it easier to put up the stats that he's doing. That being said, it is still primarily a catcher, and he's still been solid defensively at catcher. What he's done, controlling the running game has been a really pleasant surprise. And also, we need to take into account the league factors where in AAA, it's been extremely hitter-friendly this year, whereas Double A in the southern league, where Mac has been playing. That's almost at the other end of the spectrum.
Recognition of Mac's Achievements
He is one of the best power hitters in the entire league, not just for catchers and not just on that team. He has almost twice as many home runs as any other Pensacola player this season. And for him to do that while being as young as he is, I think is worthy of that honor. So I think it's a good conversation, but I mean, a little high. He has virtually no speed. Basically, you're betting on power, you know, to, to permeate through the rest of the levels. you know, this 243 batting average, which is just.
Critique of Player Statistics
Okay, the slugging percentage is great. And that's where his 799 Ops comes from. So. Great. Still young for double a, but Sonoha is very young for triple a and doing it at a higher level. It's the know how to me, but we'll see. Alrighty. Put your carver, Thomas White. End of conversation. Yep. Thomas White. Eli, I'm assuming you're going with the same one. Yeah. Honestly, you could even make the case that Jacob Miller has a decent, you know, conversation out there, but, you know, it's Thomas White.
Discussion of Potential Pitching Award Recipients
I mean, what Thomas is doing with his streak of what, seven starts now, where he goes five innings could go more, by the way, but of course, their innings limiting him probably pitch limiting as well. He only goes like 80 pitches to start. I don't think he goes much over that guy. Control numbers are great. Even when he doesn't have his best control. He's getting whiffs out of those zone, elevating with fastball. He's up to what, 95, 96 now, maybe even a little bit higher at times. I think that guy is definitely deserving of being the number one prospect in this organization for a long time.
Recognition of Thomas's Skills
And he is ahead of his years. So he is the pitching prospect of the year and it's not close. Yeah. And you could even make the case that he should finish the year at double, just how good he's been. I mean, even if it's just a starter too, I think it's worth seeing what you have. And Thomas, that's AAA level, but. Alrighty. Artie Carver who's your triple a guy of the year? I'll give that to Griffin Konine. I'm going to go with Sonoha in my case here. Obviously, Carver already spoke about him a lot, so.
Comparisons Between Players
And I think, Eli, you're going to go with the same guy. I'll go Sonoha in that regard. Very close, though, between those two, him and Conan. Yeah, I mean, they both played like the same number of games in Jacksonville and they've the same ops. Well, Conan's is a little bit higher. Yeah. All things considered. But I lean towards Sonoha. Alrighty. Double A. Carver. I went with Joe Mac. You guys already talked about it. I honestly have no clue who to go with here.
Navigating Award Selections
I'm going to skip mine for now and see what Eli says and then see what to go off of because I know if I say chicken berry, I am going to get absolutely, I want to get eggs thrown at me. There have been some guys I just want touch on this. More important than this awards segment is the trajectory of some of these guys. Seasons at Double A from Barry and Martarella in particular. It's been really uneven, but the most important thing being where they are now as we like wind down the year.
Progress Assessment of Players
And for Barry to be consistently productive as well as he has been in order to force that promotion to Jacksonville. And now from Martarella to recently, this last month and a half now to be one that quietly one of the better hitters in the whole organization showing a lot of power and the power that kind of made us, him stick out to us in the first place when they made that trade is one of the better hitting prospects we thought the organization had at the time. That's been really encouraging. Just too, a little too late.
Final Thoughts on Awards and Season Performance
If we're talking about this award, it is Joe Mac for the season as a whole. All things considered, also. Okay. Okay. So we think we could just choose, I guess, the same guy for the award. Like, like we could repeat players is what I'm saying. You think they'll do that? I think so, yeah. They can win the big award and then also win the affiliate award. If there's no other, like they've done it. They have. Okay. Okay.
Conclusion of Discussion
Then I'll go. Joe Mac. Hi a. Carvere. For Jay. I went with. Who did I go with? Geez. Let me look at my note. Hold on. I went with Jacob Miller for hi a. I agree. Jacob Miller. Eli sure sounds good. And he's been, he's also made that really nice jump to Pensacola since he's been there as well. So all things considered, that's been a nice story for this organization. The consistent year that Jacob Miller has had. Very young for the level, by the way, and solid control.
Career Progression and Performance
It wasn't. It wasn't like realistic for him to shove scoreless outings every single time, but all things considered, certainly a positive step in his career. In order for him to make every scheduled start, only allowing seven home runs and all those innings, great strike percentage taxes own and what it means for him as an overall prospect, probably not much. There's still limitations with his fastball that are going to be difficult for him to overcome. He has been down there. He's been immensely valuable to at least that team in all things considered, somebody that has exceeded what I really didn't have any expectations for him entering the year. And Jake Brooks has been extremely good in Jupiter this season.
Evaluating Andres Valor
Alrighty, FCL Carver, it's Andres Valor. This was probably my hardest choice, but I'm going Andres Valor over a year under? That doesn't make sense. Under the average age of competition by over a year, that makes better sense. And man, what he did was just special with a 289 374 421 slash. Very good in a very pitcher friendly park or parks in the FCL, almost all of them are pitcher friendly parks. You know, almost all of them by the beach with wind blowing whichever which direction, with big stadiums with faraway fences and very deep center fields, which he covered very well. And I definitely think he will stick as a center fielder because of that fact.
Skillset and Future Prospects
Speed is very good. He stole over 30 bases. This kid is very special. Advanced approach at the plate, very short to the ball, not that much uppercut. Comes by natural power and he's only going to grow even more and more into more power. This kid is very good. He will be a top prospect in the Marlins organization. I am. I am saying right now that by the end of next season he will be a top five prospect in the Marlins system. Yeah, I would agree with you with velour, although guys like Juan de la Cruz definitely made a good case to get that award. He was very good this season, may even got the promotion Jupiter, but that, I guess it kind of goes the same with velour.
Recent Performances and Promotions
I think he really did deserve that promotion to Jupiter. Really not sure what he's doing right now with the season over. I'm assuming they're doing some sort of camp, but yeah, I'm gonna go with. Velour just a little bit more on Juan de la Cruz. It was a one five seven era in his eleven starts for the FCL this year. Allowed just one home run the entire year and didn't he did start their playoff game, their one playoff game that they played. He pitched well in that one. Very well. He was really good. Yeah. Just the big disclaimer there is that he was repeating the level, whereas velour was there for the first time.
Prospect Gradings and Evaluations
And from that aspect, I'd have to tilt the scales to velour. I didn't get it, honestly. Eli. I mean, de la Cruz spent time with the Hammerheads last season and they still made him do full season FCL. I don't know why. Maybe he was working on stuff. We would have to ask that question. But he dominated that league all year and he was really good. A solid runner up. But it's velour. All right, I want to start with Eli because I know who Carver's going to go with DSL. And I think we'll wrap up that. We'll keep this short, this one short.
Highlights from the DSL Affiliates
From the two DSL affiliates. Many, many players to choose from here, but one that rose above the rest, Jonathan Taylor, who was also repeating that level. You mean Joseph Taylor? Oh, I have fantasy football in my mind. Thank you for correcting me. Jonathan Taylor's on my fancy football team. Joseph Taylor is my DSL MVP. I will, once he comes to the states and does more of the same, then I will never forget his name again. For now, he's still this really intriguing mystery man. An Ops in the mid nine hundreds this year, playing second base and third base and just an extra base hit machine this year in the DSL in terms of doubles and triples and home runs and all that.
Notable Achievements and On-Base Stats
And hit by pitches, more hit by pitches than any other short season player I can remember. Right there. That, and that certainly helps his on base percentage this season. I agree. Carver, I will let you glamour about Joseph Taylor. You can go first. Joseph Taylor, I agree. That's my guy. That's the guy. There you go. Okay. All right. We could go back to fan questions. I guess, as I bring in Cole right here. Parrish has had his hand raised for a while, so if there's anything else you want to get to parrish, go ahead.
Future Tourney Prospects
Oh, I just wanted to ask, is it going to be a big shake up in the top 30 then, with all these juicy prospects you guys are talking about? Well, we did add them into the top 30 already, so I think the next one will be, I want to say, after spring training, so. No. Well, I mean, we got updated again after the season ends. Oh, yeah. The end of the season. Yeah. In terms of those, yeah, there'll be some interesting decisions now that we've seen these guys playing the organization, trying to. Yeah, it's a fun problem to have.
Competitive Positioning and Prospective Changes
And the only guy graduating that wasn't there, that was on our previous list a month ago with Conor Norby. As long as he stays in the big leagues this last month, he'll graduate from eligibility. Other than that, it's going to be tough decisions and that's the way that you'd love to have it. Because even guy, we're talking about a lot of guys on here who aren't even in the top 30 right now, such as Taylor, but even earlier in the show, such as Martirello, who we dropped off due to his struggles in the middle of the year, and now he's coming on so strong late in the year to make you rethink that, it's been, overall, it's been a really encouraging stretch this last month or so in the organization in terms of guys upping their stocks and making some interesting adjustments.
Emerging Player Evaluations
Yeah, definitely. And you know, I know Eli will hate to hear this one, but Jacob Barry's also making a good case to maybe at least be an honorable mention or very low on the top 30. But the guy's raking. There's no other way to put it. And him and Mortarella, I think, have made a good case. I think, you know, Augustine Ramirez has definitely made a case to be the top position player prospect with norby graduating. So there's a lot more to look into with this list. I think big decisions will be made.
Analysis of Team Decisions
We, I think one that I think all of us will agree on is that noble probably drops a spot or two more, unfortunately, on the list, just still continuing to struggle at high a. So I think those are just some things that we'll look at and I guess we'll have to talk about Joseph Taylor some way somehow, if we like it or not. But yeah. Cole, we have you in here before we get out of here. What's on your mind? He unmuted himself. Should be able to hear us. No, boy, I think he's going to try to request one more time.
Prospective Player Discussions
He's obviously here to talk more about. Joseph Taylor and let's give him one more attempt. Right here we got. Yup. Thanks for having me on. So my first question is, do you think Griffin Conine has a shot at making the team next year and starting? Starting, no. Making the team. Making the team. Maybe if you just look at the outfield right now and that is their maybe their thinnest position in upper levels in the minors right now, all of a sudden their infield has a lot of depth and a lot of fascinating decisions to make.
Team Earl Insights
And in the outfield, it's Stowers. It's Jesus Sanchez who ideally is going to spend some dh time because he's not a good defender in right. And probably Dane Myers. Hopefully he gets back before the end of the year. We get to see a little bit more of Dane Myers as a potential center field option. And then aside from that and even including those guys, there's a lot of wiggle room for guys to earn spots and not a ton of compelling candidates that are more compelling, I should say, than Conan is to this point.
Analyzing Current Outfield Options
Derek Hill and Derek Hill, well, that's going to be an interesting decision entering the offseason where they hold on to Hill. I mean, he is striking out like 30 something, 35% of the time, especially. Conan would be in the forties. Derek Hill is a 242 on base percentage over the course of 24 games. He's been good moments. He drives in a lot of runs, but he's drawn one. The plate discipline numbers on Derek Hill are very worried. I do not think he'll keep a roster spot.
Future of Key Players
Maybe he comes back as a minor league non roster invitee. Conan's chances of at least lasting the offseason on the 40 man roster are looking pretty good. Still, it's you'd like to see he's somebody that you'd be a little bit more excited about as a backup plan, as somebody that's a little lower on the depth chart, rather than somebody that's penciled in as one of your top four outfielders entering the season, a lot will depend on how this final month goes. Having him actually playing on the big league team and starting the majority of your games down the stretch is going to be revealing.
Performance Impact Assessment
If he keeps his up, if he's finishes this year in like 75 plate appearances, putting up an OPS around 900, and he's only striking out at a league average rate and he's playing well defensively, then that might actually change the perception that I have even of him right now. So this is something that I think it's too soon to tell exactly what his role will be. At the same time, if he does fully fall on his face over this last month and isn't just isn't making contact whatsoever, then all of a sudden you have to ask do they have to make a tough decision and squeeze him off the 40 man entirely entering the offseason there's still a couple different directions this could go based on how he plays down the stretch.
Expectations on Player Roles
For him, being an everyday player, that's for any stretch of time beyond a portion of a season, I think that's setting an unrealistic expectation right there. He's somebody that, if all goes well, he could have a pretty lengthy career as a platoon corner outfielder that hits for power and all that. And what do you see as a future for Jake Bergere? Oh, Jake Berger. Next year I assume he'll be your starting first baseman come opening day. They will continue to dh him, maybe play a little bit of third.
Team Dynamics and Player Positions
Very unlikely. But I mean, right now this is probably your best player looking at it. So yeah, he will be on the major league team for, I would assume, a couple more years. He still has a lot of control left. Not a free agent until 2029, not arbitration until 2026. So at least all of next year he should be a member of the Miami Marlins. I don't think he'll get traded and after maybe a year or two of arbitration, that's when he can maybe put that conversation and just looking kind of at the way the Rays operate a little bit.
Investigating Contract Status
Well, it hurts my heart that Kevin didn't read my article about Jake Burger's contract status there is arbitration eligible this offer season. That's really nerdy. Questions heading into this winner is whether or not his service time is going to be enough to qualify for super to arbitration status this year, whether he has to wait, he's right on that borderline and it's out of his control. It depends on the rest of the league and how that's calculated.
Future Player Considerations
Whether he has enough service time to get paid a raise next into 2025 or whether he has to wait an additional year before being are belgible for the first time. Regardless, I do think he's on this team entering next season agreeing with Kevin that I think to start next season going to be playing a lot of first base, and then it's a question of when Davidson de los Santos comes up because de los Santos is a better defensive first baseman than Berger is, who has slightly higher upside as an overall player, and they certainly invested a lot to acquire him in the first place where they kind of just played as time goes on.
Assessing Future Roles
Once they're both, they can coexist on the roster between first base and DH as the season plays out, depending on where the team is in terms of contention in the middle of 2025, depending on how well Dale Santos is getting acclimated to big league pitching then you have to wonder whether Berger has a future with the team or whether he is a trade candidate. Because, yeah, when you're defensively limited and when you're also have kind of limitations, how often you get on base in the first place.
Strategic Considerations for the Team
There's, there's only so many. It would be a bit redundant, in my opinion, to have de los Santos and Berger and Augustin Ramirez all in this roster at the same time for several years to come. It's the overlapping skill sets right there. I think he's safe entering the 2025 season, and then it's something they reevaluate. It's a, it's a good problem to have because, as Kevin said, he is.
Evaluating Player Contributions
He's a good player. He's a productive major league player who fits in really well with the culture in the clubhouse. Even if he is arbitration eligible this coming year, he'll still be vastly underpaid relative to his worth. He'll still be a bargain for the team. So they don't have to rush into a decision right now. It's just when you make a trade, when you make a couple trades to get right handed power hitters on the verge of reaching big leagues in Ramirez and de los Santos, when you make those trades, you do it with an, there's, it all has a ripple effect and it connects to the status of somebody like burger.
Discussion on Griffin Conine's Future
On the topic of conine, yes, it's great what he's been doing so far, and I think there is room for him to be on the roster next year. But spaces are kind of fleeting. you know, if you wave goodbye to these guys that are space fillers like Pasha, Derek Hill, David Hensonde, obviously, like, these guys aren't going to be here, but you still have to make room for guys like Stowers, Taser, Sanchez will very likely be here. And then you're talking about guys that are in the minors.
Injury Implications and Opportunities
Like the clock is ticking on Victor Mesa Junior. He's on the 40 man roster. The Marlins have not been able to get him his debut because he's been injured. So he's probably going to come back to spring training. He had a very good spring training last year. I think that, or this year. Sorry. I think that guy is, is a huge question mark. Going into spring training next year is exactly where is Victor Mesa Junior? Because if he's healthy and if he's doing well, he's on the team for sure.
Team Composition and Future Outlook
So I think that takes the spot away from Griffin. Maybe it puts him on the bench. I think Griffin is on the team, but I don't think he's a starter. Anything else, Cole, before we get out of here? Yeah, I mean, it's kind of split question. You know, assuming we get the number one pick, in the draft next year, who do you want? And in the event that we get, like, more of a middling, like, first, like, kind of like pick 5674, whatever pick, which we'll say anytime I stim this on tankathon, I don't get the number one picks or two pick, so.
Draft Prospects and Strategic Decisions
I'm sorry. who would you want in that? Or, like, what kind of draft meat. Would you want in that area? Well, number one has to be Ethan Holiday, in my opinion. I. I unfortunately have not done much research into this draft, so I really can't tell you what picks five or six would be, but I would say best player available is still going to be a very good player nonetheless in these type of scenarios. But I guess Eli maybe have someone else in mind.
Preparing for Future Drafts
I honestly have not done any research on the 2025 draft. Well, I would say this is a better topic to revisit in two weeks, because the perfect game all american not perfect. Prep baseball. Prep baseball all american game is coming to Miami in two weeks on the 14th, including Ethan Holiday, as well as several of the other most highly ranked prep players in the class of 2025. They'll all be in Miami to go through workouts and then to play a game themselves.
Analyzing Joining Prospects
And we're going to have one of our staffers, our draft expert, Hector Rodriguez, in the building to cover that, to see those guys up close, to get a perspective on them that we don't even have right now into potentially push back on what I think is the general consensus that Ethan Holiday would be the top player available and the top player to choose from right here. There's a long way to go in the draft process, and this is one step of it, having this exhibition game that is going to be here locally that we'll have coverage of right there.
Looking Forward to the Draft Coverage
So I don't want to put out a take right now that I might walk back a couple of weeks from now once it's a more informed opinion on that. We're really looking forward to it, though, probably as much as. Probably more so than covering actual Marlins games themselves over these final couple weeks, is having somebody in the building for when those prospects, and specifically, it's the high school prospects.
Prospecting Future Players
So there are going to be other guys to consider early in the first round coming out of the college ranks as well. But this is at least among the prep players in this game. They were able to get the commitments and the participation of a bunch of potential first rounders this upcoming year. So let's get a better look at them on the 14th and then revisit this. They're going to potentially hit a home run if they can get holiday, and I would agree with Kevin that's the guy.
Anticipating Big Days in the Draft
If he's there, like that's going to be the one of the best days ever. And in recent Marlins draft history, if he's in front of them sitting there, pick five, six, wherever they're going to pick, what I would also say is much more, I mean, you know, closer in terms of dates in which the guy is going to sign and much closer in terms of what we know so far. The Marlins have already hit a home run and will hit a home run this winter when they ink Andrew Salas, who will be the top prospect in the organization when he signs.
The Impact of Signing Prospects
That guy is the absolute truth. He is for real the best of the three brothers, according to sources very close to the family themselves, that's the best of the three brothers. That will be a serious game changing day when that guy inks his contract. It's going to be incredible. All right, let's wrap up right there. State of the fish, Alex Carver, Kevin Burral, Eli Sussman right here. Thanks for you guys calling in and putting your questions in the chat as well.
Closing Remarks and Future Scheduling
We'll have to get back to you in terms of what exactly the schedule for this is going to look like over this final month of the regular season. Probably will do them on Sundays, but not 100% sure right now. So still stay tuned in terms of what the programming schedule is going to be for these talks as we get through the end of the season and then into the off season, but still some juicy stuff that we're diving into right here. So thanks again for tuning in.
Farewell and Upcoming Events
Happy Labor Day to everybody. Next stream that we have is going to be on Tuesday coming out of Labor Day and starting off a new homestand. So tune into that here on Twitter or on YouTube if you're interested in that and a whole lot more programming coming to you this final month of the season.
