Space Summary
The Twitter Space SEXT TALK with Tom & Corey with guest Andreas Embodiment hosted by tantricbliss8. Delve into a mature and introspective space with Tom, Corey, and guest Andreas Embodiment as they navigate conversations on men's self-realization, emotional growth, and redefining masculinity. Through promoting vulnerability, authenticity, and community engagement, this space offers a platform for men to explore their inner selves and embark on journeys of personal discovery. Encouraging collaborations and open dialogues, the space fosters emotional intelligence and self-awareness among male audiences. Join the discussion to embrace personal growth, authenticity, and the challenges of masculinity in a supportive and introspective environment.
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Questions
Q: What is the primary focus of the space?
A: The space primarily focuses on aiding men in self-realization and embracing their authentic selves.
Q: How does the space contribute to men's mental health?
A: By encouraging vulnerability and introspection, the space helps men address their emotional well-being.
Q: What opportunities are offered for collaborations in the space?
A: The space hints at collaborations for exclusive content via direct messages.
Q: How do guests enhance the discussions in the space?
A: Guest appearances bring diverse viewpoints and experiences that enrich the conversations.
Q: Why is self-reflection important in the space?
A: Self-reflection is crucial for men to explore their inner selves and foster personal growth.
Q: What emotions are encouraged within the space?
A: Vulnerability, authenticity, and emotional intelligence are promoted to create a safe space for introspection.
Q: How does the space challenge traditional ideas of masculinity?
A: By promoting vulnerability and self-awareness, the space redefines conventional notions of masculinity.
Q: What audience is the space tailored for?
A: The space caters to men seeking personal development, emotional growth, and deeper self-understanding.
Q: What is the overarching message of the space?
A: The space encourages men to embrace their vulnerabilities and explore their personal journeys towards self-discovery.
Q: How does the space foster a sense of community?
A: By providing a platform for open dialogues and shared experiences, the space creates a supportive community for men's growth.
Q: What can listeners expect from the space?
A: Listeners can expect open and honest conversations that delve into personal growth, authenticity, and masculinity.
Highlights
Time: 00:15:40
Guest Appearance: Andreas Embodiment Andreas Embodiment joins Tom and Corey to share insights on self-realization for men.
Time: 00:25:17
Embracing Vulnerability in Masculinity Discussions focus on promoting vulnerability as a strength in the male journey of self-discovery.
Time: 00:35:29
Collaboration Opportunities: OF Colabs Hints at collaborations for exclusive content through direct messages with the audience.
Time: 00:45:12
Self-Reflection and Emotional Growth Encouraging men to engage in self-reflection and explore emotional intelligence for personal development.
Time: 00:55:59
Exploring Authenticity and Vulnerability Creating a space for men to embrace authenticity and vulnerability in their self-discovery process.
Time: 01:05:42
Community Engagement and Dialogues Fostering a sense of community through open dialogues and shared experiences on personal growth.
Time: 01:15:25
Redefined Masculinity Narratives Challenging traditional notions of masculinity by promoting emotional awareness and introspection.
Time: 01:25:18
Journey Towards Self-Discovery Encouraging men to embark on a personal journey of self-realization and deeper understanding of themselves.
Time: 01:35:30
Authentic Conversations on Personal Growth Creating authentic spaces for conversations that focus on emotional growth and authenticity.
Time: 01:45:22
Male Empowerment Through Vulnerability Empowering men to embrace vulnerability as a path towards personal empowerment and growth.
Key Takeaways
- Self-realization and awakening are essential themes discussed in the space.
- Men's mental health and personal growth are emphasized throughout the conversation.
- The journey towards understanding one's true self is a central focus in the mature-themed space.
- Guest appearances bring diverse perspectives and experiences to the discussions.
- Exploration of intimate topics aimed at men's self-awareness and consciousness.
- The space creates a platform for deeper conversations on personal development and introspection.
- Men are encouraged to seek authenticity and vulnerability in their self-discovery process.
- The space promotes self-reflection and emotional intelligence for male audiences.
- Encouragement for men to embrace vulnerability and explore their inner worlds.
- Exploring masculinity and personal transformation through open dialogues and shared experiences.
Behind the Mic
Initial Greetings
Hello. Hello. How's it going? Thursday? I'm all right, thank you for asking. How are you? I'm good, yeah. Just had clinic all day today, and I got home just before and I'm roasting a chicken and mostly all is. Good with the world. Mostly. Mostly, yeah. What are you doing? What's happening? How's your day been?
Busy Schedules
I have been somewhat busy. I'm just working on all my marketing for next week for this festival. That's for New Earth festival, which is happening next Saturday. And I'm off to Gold coast tomorrow to try and get some cash in the bank with clients and do some healing work and all that jazz. So, yeah, I've been a little bit busy today and just trying to sort out all my. I've got a heap of videos, like, and I'm a little bit disorganized with them, so I'm trying to organize them today and put them in.
Organizing Workload
Into folders, making all the onlyfans stuff happen. Yes, stuff. It's a lot. It's a long process. Just even moving them to save into a folder and then having to edit them and then contacting the model just to go through, you know, the video. It's like a long process just for one video. Totally, totally. There's a lot of work involved in this. In this kind of stuff, I guess, isn't there a lot of work? And I've got. And I've got 30 videos that I have to do.
Sex Work Insights
I think I've been saving them. She's been saving them in the bank. Sex workers. We work. We work hard for the money, you know? Yeah. You know, it's. It's a big process, and, you know, it's. It takes a village. The village is me. You are. You are everything. You really are. Like, you are the village. Be the village. Goddamn. God damn. So, shall we?
Personal Updates
Yeah. How are you, by the way? You good? Yeah, I'm good. Yeah. I'm just, like, in the thick of it with uni, and I've got class, like five days a week. And, you know, it's okay. It's good. You know, like, I'm having you. You have progression and you have a regression, I think so. You know, it's just how it goes.
Academic Experiences
And you've been there. You understand what it is to be doing your masters. So I do not miss it, but I get it. Yeah, exactly. So it's all good. But shall we. Shall we get started? Yeah, we shall. So thank you, everyone, for joining. I just want to acknowledge and pay respects to past, present, and future traditional custodians and elders of this nation in which we work, live, and play.
Introduction of Healers
I'm currently working on Bundjalung, country of the oracle peoples, and my name is Corey. I am a yemenite tantric healer, and I'm gonna add this now to my repertoire. Tantric Healer, tarot reader, medium. And I have been doing tarot cards and mediumship for ten years. And within my tantric work, which also, if you want to call it spiritual risties, I have been doing that for three years.
Specialized Practices
And that encompasses breath work, guided meditation, sound healing, astral travel. So other modalities that I have learned throughout the ten years and sort of a blend to create my own special spiritual risti practice. And that's me. Spiritual risties. Goddamn, that's so good business. Starring Tom Cruise. Exactly. Yeah.
Transition to Tom's Introduction
But it's you just sliding out in a white shirt and sunglasses on the astral plane. That's, like, gorgeous. Yeah, yeah. What's my aura fly? Okay, over to you. So my name is Tom boy. I am a full service sex worker based here in Naam, Melbourne, land of wondery people. And I am also a massage therapist and body worker using primarily a structural bodywork approach, which just means that I press it, I poke it, I stretch it, and I've been doing massage and full service work now for around eight years.
Educational Pursuits
And I'm also studying a tertiary level manual therapy health science course. And you kind of heard at the top if you were joining us. I'm currently after my eyeballs in master's level study, and it's slowly killing me, but I love it. And I use bodywork to treat pain, to help people relax, to help people have emotional breakthroughs. And I, pardon me, use my full service practice to connect with people at a really deep level. I've been very privileged to be able to do this work for a long time, and I'm very grateful for it.
Introducing Andreas
So I guess, though, today in this next edition of Sex Talk, we are joined by the lovely Andreas. Yes. Hi, Andreas. And we've got. I've just given introduction to Andreas. Oh, excuse me. Pardon me. So sorry. That's okay. I'm getting ahead of myself. Andreas embodiment is returning to sex talk again, so. And helps queer men to connect to their empowered sexual and spiritual nature. So welcome, Andreas.
Andreas's Introduction
Hi, Andreas. Hey, guys. Yeah, yeah, lovely. How's it going? I'm going good. And I was hearing about the spiritual risties and Corey. I was literally telling a friend today about the sort of work you're doing, and I called it shamanic rub and tug. It's me. It's to explain to my mum that best way that I can explain to her is that I give spiritual excuse, and so she gets it. She gets it through that explanation.
Discussion of Work
So good. Damn. So brilliant. So brilliant. So what's happening, Andreas? What's happening with you at the moment? Where are you coming to us from? And tell us a little bit about your work and what you do for the people who are listening, who haven't listened to you before. Thanks, Tom. I'm glad to be speaking with you again and connecting with you again as well.
Andreas's Background
Yeah. My name is Andreas, and I'm from the Snowy Mountains, but I predominantly work in Ngunnawal country, Canberra, and I wear many hats, but I am a psychic channeler, a tantric practitioner, and that looks like tantric work, or you could think of it as sacred sexuality work, similar to what Corey's doing. So I run retreats with Corey and for LGBTQ men, and I also host online tantra community, so that's called the House of Tantra.
Naked Yoga Introduction
And then I also own and operate men's nude yoga, Canberra. Which is the. Topic that we are talking about today. And I'm very excited for you to talk about your key modality that you work from, because I think last time when we had you on, we talked about polarity, and this is really exciting for you to share how you got started within the yoga practice, I guess, first and foremost. So do you want to talk about that and how you came into this practice?
Yoga Journey
Yeah, for sure. I've been doing yoga for quite a while. I got into yoga when I was about 15, and actually, the truth is it was because I was doing anything I possibly could to lose weight. That was my goal as a 15 year old kid who felt really InSeCure about his body. And one of those modalities was yoga. But I found that as I stayed with yoga, the deeper aspects of the yoga, like the mindFulness, THe spiritual connection, the sense of self that was being enhanced, developed, and really nourished by the yoga practice, was what kept me in the practice.
Transition to Teaching Yoga
And I have had a very. I had a very strong yoga practice for, like, ten years, and in my mid twenties, I became a yoga teacher, never thinking that I would be teaching naked yoga, wasn't even aware that naked yoga was a thing. And then I just had a series of serendipitous synchronicities that led me to discovering that there was a naked yoga class being run in Canberra for men. And I was like, I am freaking terrified of this.
Overcoming Fears
And I'm a yoga teacher and I'm scared. So I can't imagine what other guys would be thinking going into something like this. But I went for it and it was absolutely terrifying. I can remember that first class where I was sort of in the side room to the studio where everyone was like taking their pants off and I was like taking things off slowly. And then I eventually got to my underwear and I was like, shit, this is the moment. Just do it.
Positive Outcomes
Just do it. Just do it. And I really had to will myself to take them off. But you know what? That was one of the best things I've ever done. I have, of course, never looked back. And I took over men's new Joker Canberra from the original owner. When he moved to Cannes, he. He asked me to take the business over and I took it over about four years ago and I've had it ever since.
Engaging with Audience
Wow. Amazing. Because I've never done naked yoga before and so can, like, I mean, I've done yoga a couple of times, a few. A number of times, you know, and had attempts at practicing, but I've never been, you know, particularly good at keeping it up. But I. Can you tell us, you know, what. What makes naked. What, other than being naked, what makes naked yoga kind of specific?
Inquiring About Unique Aspects
Can we. Can we like to. What is it about naked. Yo. Naked yoga that is kind of unique, I guess. And how, you know, is it working in this kind of, you know, is it like ayganga yoga based or is it like ashtenga or. I don't know. These are words that I understand are various disciplines within yoga.
The Essence of Naked Yoga
Can you talk about what informs your practice of naked yoga and how you teach it? Yeah, sure. I mean, nude yoga is certainly like, in no way any form of Lineage within yoga. Like, you know, you were speaking to those other ashtanga and ayanga and bikram. These are all like, styles or you could say lineages or traditions of yoga. Nude yoga certainly isn't restricted to a particular, like, style of yoga. It's, you know, the experience you'll have with a nude yoga class is going to be very dependent on the teacher that's teaching it and what their approach is. And my approach is essentially what you would call hatha yoga. But for anyone that doesn't know what that means, which is probably everyone, unless you're a bit of a yogi nuthenne like myself, it's basically just the everyday yoga you would find on YouTube, or if you walked into random yoga studio off the street, chances are what you would find is called hatha yoga, which is the standard yoga you would find. So I teach everyday yoga, and it's naked, it's got no clothes.
The Impact of Being Naked
But I find the difference of, like, what actually sets naked yoga apartheid to me, at least. And this is really based on my own experience as more of a student of nud yoga. And what it's done for me is being naked is essentially inherently tied into feeling free, and feeling free in your body. And because you're doing a sacred practice, which is about being connected to your breath, to your body, to your soul, even, and you're doing it with other men in this context, other like minded Mendez, it creates this really safe space to be vulnerable and to be seen, and you literally cannot hide behind anything. And I think that's where some of the beauty lies in nude yoga is because for me, it's really rapidly dropped away a lot of body shame. And often in the gay world, there can be a lot of body shame. And I feel like there's a lot of expectations we put in our body. And when you go into a space, like a new yoga space, I find it really freeing because there's no pressure on your body to be a certain way or to be sexualized or, you know, to be ab and ready.
Body Acceptance in Yoga
You know, it's just a space to be yourself and to be exploring your body in movement with other people. So I found that this new yoga practice has helped me and so many of my students just, like, feel good about being in their own skin. And not just from, like, a theoretical place of saying that, but actually by testing that out in real time and, like, healing that by being naked with other men. It's such a profound, like, thing, isn't it? Because there is so much body stuff in kind of gay men's community, like, or just in gay men's culture, because we, you know, we venerate. We venerate these certain images, and there's this kind of aesthetic lineage and aesthetic kind of cultural tradition where we have, you know, I'm thinking of kind of things like Tom of Finland, or I'm thinking of things like, you know, classic gay porn and even now, gay porn in general. And there's such a kind of, you know, it's.
The Pressure of Aesthetics
Well, it's well talked about, well understood, the kind of toxicity of that and the extent that we go to. To kind of maintain a certain look and, you know, like, I, for instance, find it, like, deeply dysphoric to spend too much time on Twitter because, you know, like, I love Twitter and I love, you know, being able to connect to people, but there are many aspects of, like, being on here where I just kind of will scroll and be like, oh, my God, I hate my body. I hate myself, you know? And, like, I remember some of my earliest thoughts as a young boy were that, like, being five or six years old, thinking. Thinking that I was too fat as a five or six year old, you know, and still carry these dysphoric tendencies with me as well. And I think any opportunity that we can have to kind of reframe that is incredibly empowering. Like, so obviously, with your personal experience with this, with these feelings that. That brought you to this point where you decided that you wanted to do this for other people, you wanted to help other people do this.
Transition to Teaching
Is that right? Yeah. Like, I. When I got that call from the previous owner, I was pretty shocked. I was like, whoa, this was not part of my five year plan, you know? And when I sat with that invitation to take over the yoga practice of men's new joker, Canberra, I was like, shit. Like, this practice has done so much for me. And I think I'd been his student then for about a year. So I had experienced such tremendous shifts within my own sense of self, within my body. And also, like, it was like, it was about seeing other naked men that also were just everyday humans. Because it wasn't this. Like, I've been training for six months to get to this body so that I can go to pride and be, like, hot in the club. Like, it wasn't this. Like, I mean, there was hotties in the class, of course, but there was this rich tapestry of all different guys, all different skin tones, all different body sizes, all different cock sizes.
Community and Healing
And I was like, I am actually not a freak. And I really do am, just like most people. And that helped me to feel really included in the community as well. So I found it so healing on so many levels. Like, this is not even talking about the benefits of yoga, which most people know is like, reducing stress, more strength, more flexibility, whatever. But in addition to all of those pieces, it was like, well, like, I feel fucking way better about myself now. And I wanted to be able to offer that to my students because at that point in time, I was like, you know, yoga teacher hustling us, running from studio to studio, like, teaching in five different studios and in my car between them all day throughout Canberra and, you know, scraping by as well just to hustle that live and I thought, you know, there's got to be a way I can touch, I can enrich the student experience in a deeper way that means more and new joker certainly was that.
Creating a Safe Space
So with the previous teacher handing over the baton to you and having that responsibility to create a safe space for other men because there would be, I guess, regular clients, but also you breathe, you potentially bring in brand new people into not only yoga, but nude yoga. How do you create that space for them of safety and welcoming? Because that is a definite key in building your practice. Yeah, that's a great question. There's so many levels to this. I think that it really starts with the messaging that people are seeing, whether it's on social media or they stumble onto my website or read an article about it or what have you. I really make a point of speaking to the truth, which is that this class is for everybody. And like, as in I really make a point of saying that we do really have different ages, sizes, body shapes, all of the things.
Connecting to Newcomers
And I've written a couple of blog posts, like first person recounts of my own first naked yoga class so that people could read about that and feel into what my experience was like as a student just to support them in like some of the key questions which guys have, which, like, the biggest question every time is what if I get hard? Like what if I pop a boner in the middle of the class? Like what then? And you know, every new yoga teacher will tell you the same thing is that it really is no big deal because it's, I mean, in my classes it's a safe men's space. So, you know, everyone in the room has a penis and it's a space where you don't need to worry about what your body's going to do. So yeah, sometimes people get hard for like two minutes and no one even notices half the time because we're all doing yoga. It's that thing where like our focus is on the breath and on holding a pose.
The Allowance of Bodily Responses
So like if you pop a boner in warrior one, chances are no one's going to give a shit because we're already like moving into warrior two. And so this permission for your cock to do whatever it's going to do and to not have to worry about that because we grow up worrying about that and then we usually stay worrying about it, you know, when we're young, it's like I'll fuck my cock's heart all the time when it shouldn't be. And then we get older and it's like my cock isn't hard enough when it should be. And we always have right discourse we have with our own dig. And it's nice to be able to not have to worry about that at all. So liberating. Yeah, it is. And I always tell people, like, even though you're worried you're going to be hard the whole time, chances are if you get hard, it's probably going to be for like, three minutes, two minutes, a minute, and then you'll be so focused on the class itself, you'll totally forget you're even naked.
Changes Encountered
Yeah. So I wondered, could you, like, could you talk about the kind of changes that you encountered for yourself when. Cause I guess you started running this, I understand, four years ago, right, in Canberra. So, like. But you would have done it, obviously, many times beforehand. Can you talk and kind of track and track some of the changes that you experienced internally and how you felt about your body? Because talking about you initially were talking about how when you were 15 years old, you started doing yoga kind of to control your weight or whatever. And can you talk about how then moving into more naked practice changed that relationship to your body and. And how that tracked over time and the development of that as well?
Shifts in Body Image
Yeah, sure. I think, like, yeah, I definitely wanna speak to that and I just wanna share another piece around that. Like, how people. How we create that safety for newcomers is one of the other pieces that I forgot to mention is, like, I think a lot of the safety comes from the community itself because, you know, some of the guys that are coming to my class, men's new joker, Canberra, has been running for 15 years. So some of those guys have been coming for 15 years. And so they've been. They've been coming for longer than I've even been a yoga teacher, you know? And I think that sense of, like, there's this rapport and there's this community and there's this sense of, like, friendship and mateship amongst the men that come.
The Inclusivity of the Space
And I have straight men, gay men, bi men, closeted men, fucking the whole spectrum. And I also have new students. Pretty much every other week, like, I would say every second class, I've got at least one or two new students. And every time I'm like, I used to get really worried about that, but I'm not anymore because I just know that, like, even if I'm faffing about with another student, when they walk into the room, someone else has got their back immediately. Like, they're going to say hello and the chances are they'll be naked already. So it really, it breaks the ice when you walk into the room and everyone's already naked, because then you're like, oh, shit. Now I feel weird that I'm not naked.
Addressing Comfort Levels
Yeah. But also, I had a guy in my class last week, and it was his first time, and he was in undies, you know, he was wearing underwear because he was like, that's my edge today. And maybe next week, my. Maybe next week I'll take them off, or maybe I won't. And there's no pressure either way, right? But to come back to your question, Tom, around, like, the journey and the timeline around body image, I would say it's actually been. It's interesting because it's been around body image, and then it moved into sexuality as well. Like, as I guess, like, the layers got deeper and the sponge of my consciousness soaked in more. I found that the body image stuff was almost immediate.
Immediate Changes
I would say after the first class, something shifted. I remember the moment very specifically. I was, like, looking at one of the guys moles on his shoulder. And I was thinking, wow, look how, like, normal and human that mole on his shoulder is that mole that you would just never see because it was, like, underneath where his shirt would be and. Or his singlet line would be. And I was just like. I started to. It sounds really weird, I guess, but I started looking at all of the quote unquote imperfections that were in everyone's bodies. When I was in the yoga class, I was starting to look at the different pieces that I was like, oh. Every single person in this room, including me, has things that they undoubtedly feel insecure about or that they used to at some point.
Embracing Imperfection
And so I found that really, like, I don't know what it did, but I do. It shifted my own sense of imperfection within my body because I realized how normal it was and how kind of dumb it was to be so focused on these perceived, quote unquote imperfections when they were just as common and human in everyone. And like, that my my greek man body hairdouse insecurity at that time could have been someone else's mole, could have been someone else's, I don't know, left ball sack or whatever the insecurity was. And so that really freed things up. I'm going to stay within the first class, and then after, like, two to three classes, that's when I was, like, starting to feel way better about being in my skin.
Ongoing Reflections
I am in no way and have never been someone with abs. I've never been, like, someone who would be, I would say, like, defined as, like, super ripped or fit in any way. I'm very much a normal, like, average Joe. So, I mean, people can go on my twitter to see my average Joe body, but. And I say that with deep love and respect for my body. There is no sense of, like, I am not good enough in this skin. And that is an inherent result of the yoga. And that, I would say that started to sink in after about three or four classes and then has just carried with me over time.
Navigating Body Image
And you know what? Over those years, I have certainly had. I think you were at the beginning, Tom. You were saying progression and regression, you know, that expansion and contraction, that is simply the nature of being alive, the pulse of life. And, I've had regressions with my body image over that time where I've been, like, I actually think I wrote a blog post about this, too. When body hatred came back is the name of that one. And that was a. That story is about how my old body wounds came back. And I was, like, feeling like shit about my body and what I found then.
The Healing Power of Practice
And this is probably six months to a year in now to the practice. So I've been. I've been around for a while now, and I started to find that it was like the yoga practice became the buoy. If I was drowning in my own sense of self misery around my body image, it was like someone had thrown a life raft out to me. And that life raft was the new perception I had about my body and my body in respect to all the other bodies out there, which helped me go, oh, hang on a sec, I remember that. I remember the lessons I've already learned around this, and it helped me to come back out of that.
Resilience in Body Image
Out of that. That spiral, that downward spiral, which, yeah, Twitter's a great. A great trigger for that sometimes, or really just social media in general sometimes. So it's been a maturity piece, but even outside of body language, I mean, body image, it was like, even just seeing myself as a naked person in a non sexual context. Like, nude yoga can be sexual if you want it to be. But my classes are non sexualized. There is sensuality in there because there's partner poses. So doing a partner pose with another naked guy is a central experience. But in no way is it like our tantric retreats.
Non-Sexualized Yoga
We were actually working with erotic energy intentionally. Right? So in that way, like, there was something really freeing about being in a gay space, a predominantly gay space with other predominantly queer gay men, and it not having this sexual pressure around it. There was something that helped me to feel more bonded to other people in the community in a more. I would say, in a more fulfilling and enriching way. I think they're the biggest pieces I could ramble on forever, but I don't want to bore you guys with that.
Healing through Teaching
No, you're not boring. It sounds boring at all. Healing for you, too, like, through the process of not only as a student, but also as the teacher, like, healing self as well as helping others to heal about, you know, their own body and body shame. Would that be correct? Definitely. It feels like. Honestly, it feels like a privilege. Just as you were saying at the beginning, tom, how you feel really grateful for being able to do this work, your work, for as long as you have.
Gratefulness in Practice
Like, I feel very similar around. Around my new yoga classes. Like, it's very sacred to me. And, you know, I was chatting to a guy, Andrew that his name is, and he comes to the class. He's been coming for about, I maybe say, six months, and he sent me a message today being like, hey, like, just letting you know, I always walk away from the class feeling so fucking free and so fucking good about myself. I would go every day if I could. And, like, hearing something like that as the teacher and the owner of that class, there's just something about that goes, oh, great.
The Impact of Teaching
Like, I. I have.
Making a Difference
I have made somewhat of a difference in someone's life in the way that I was hoping to, and that makes it worth it to me.
The Role of Teaching
It's pretty profound because that kind of thing and the path you're tracking there in terms of this healing thing and this growth and the regression progression and all of these things and then emerging into this role of teacher, I think Corey and I. Corey and I have talked about this a lot over the. Over the kind of time that we've known each other, like, and in different sex talks as well. And I. Maybe I've talked about it, too, where, like, I. You know, when I started doing massage and I started doing body work and I started doing sex work, more specifically, I was. It was less about body image. It was more that I was just mentally and kind of, you know, emotionally, spiritually, if you will, really not okay.
Personal Growth Through Practice
You know, like, I was really not okay. But then through getting into this practice and learning about bodies and learning anatomy and physiology and learning how to treat people and look at the body in this integrated way and think about it, holistic view of this person and starting to kind of essentially make a living by helping people is what I realized. I was doing. I ended up helping myself, you know? And it's this surreal thing about, like, teaching. I think, like, teaching is like this act where obviously, you know, like in, at school teachers or like, university at all, like, there's a certain level of mastery there. But we rarely talk about the way that people, like, row through the act of teaching that we get so much from that as, like, individuals. It's incredibly intentionally creating an idea to share something with someone else as not just the effect of helping that person and cultivating something in that person, it cultivates something inside of you as well about how you see the world, how you see yourself and how you feel your way through life.
Reflecting on a Life-Changing Journey
And, like, I, you know, if I had never started sex work, I don't know where I would be nowadays. I often kind of reflect on, I think I'd probably be dead because I probably would have to be quite frank, probably would have killed myself, you know? Yeah, but, like, I, I think that it was this thing where I found myself doing something to make a living, but then also found a passion for it and then started helping people. It just changes you know? Like, you know what I mean? Like, it kind of really. Yeah, it really changes you. And now that's what, like, not, I don't, you know, I don't know the full depth of your story, but, like, that kind of sounds. What, like, what is happening for you as well. You know, that, like, you've had this amazing of revelations through the act of teaching and the act of sharing.
Understanding Healing in Teaching
It's so. It's so. Yeah, it's so grounding. Sorry, I'm just kind of rambling a bit. But, no, I really appreciate that point because I think that especially with the work that we're all doing, and I think it's sacred work and it's necessary work because if it doesn't get. If it doesn't happen, then there is the amount of sexual healing that wouldn't. Would just not be able to take place. Right. And I think there's this piece around that. As any teacher, guide, facilitator or practitioner, you can really only guide someone into the depths that you've already journeyed within yourself. Otherwise, it comes from an inauthentic place and they'll feel that. They'll know that it's not a fully lived experience in the person.
Personal Healing as a Catalyst
So I really resonate with what you're saying, Tom, because I truly believe that I. Yeah, I. I think on some level I. I said yes to this because it. It was a path of healing for myself. And I think that's why I joked that's the entire origin story of Tantra with me, was it was to fucking heal my own shame that I had around my sexuality. And, yeah, I'm sure, Corey, you could relate as well. Oh, totally. It is a catalyst within my evolution as well. It was the catalyst for change in my life to do my own healing so that I could help others to heal themselves and support. Support them to do that. And it starts with us first, that is how you are able to, you know, connect with others, to help them through their own healing, evolution, whatever that looks like, you know, because there is.
Facing Darker Places
There is this understanding of. Of what it is like to go to those. Those darker places, you know, to sit in those darker places. Yeah, to face. To face the body shame. To face yourself. Yeah, I mean, yeah, pretty much. Do you feel that with naked yoga that it's now more like it would have been on the fringe, you know, ten years ago? Do you think it's becoming more popular or more accepted? And why do you think that? If so, yeah, I would say it's definitely more accepted than it ever has been, especially with the, like, you know, with, like, the younger few generations.
The Impact of the Internet
I think that the Internet has. Has. Has helped in that regard, in that it's spread the naked yoga practice, whether it be here on Twitter or onlyfans or wherever. But in general, there's this, like, there's a deeper exposure to naked yoga. And I think that's only going to continue because we are yearning for the. We are yearning for the counterpart of the, like, mass exposure to perfection in the bodies that we see online. And we are. We are. So, as, I think it's almost like a counterbalance as that continues to increase and our access to see that has gone from a magazine here and there to, like, literally could be every minute of every day if you so choose to tap into that, like, so true.
Holistic Self-Discovery
Does that need on the other side to actually find holistic experiences which build up the inner self to critically unpack those influences? So, yeah, I think it will continue to expand, but also I think new Joker is really interesting because back to that idea that it's not a specific lineage. So there are teachers out there that actually do sexualize their classes, and then yoga classes do include a sexual component. And, you know, I have specifically chosen not to do that because I have other. I have the Tantra avenues for that. And, you know, I wanted to keep the yoga practice as it was a yoga practice where there was no expectation for it to go anywhere into that realm, which is about providing safety, especially for new people.
Offering Choices in Practice
But I really like that there's a variety because it means that the, as an individual, if you are interested in nude yoga, you can choose the flavor that you want to. Sure, maybe your city only has one guy that teaches it, or maybe not even at all, and you have to go online. But nevertheless, whether it's in person or online, there is definitely something that you can tune into. There is such a need or. Sorry, Corey, what are you going to say? No, I just was really, I think, touched by that comment you made about needing an alternative, you know, like, I.
The Importance of Alternative Experiences
An alternative aesthetic or alternative kind of experience, a tonic almost to what we see all the time. Because I, I recently, I think I'm taking a break from, like, Instagram. I primarily use Instagram, but I'm taking a break from that for various reasons. And only yesterday, I drafted a series of pointless tweets that would have just been shot out, like kind of shotgun shots into the open universe to be received by basically nobody. I ended up deleting them, but it was like a series of tweets essentially going, saying, I feel like platforms like Twitter in, like, ten years time, you know, for all the benefits of it and, like, the ability that we have to make, like, an income and connect with people and do things like this, I think in ten years time, we'll look back on it as sex workers and wonder.
Overwhelm of Online Interactions
Wonder to a certain degree why we did it as well, why we allowed ourselves to be, you know, there's so many benefits to it, don't get me wrong. But, like, as we've just seen, like, in Brazil, they've just banned Twitter in Brazil. And that is like, you know, thousands of, like, content creators in Brazil who are sex workers and stuff, who have overnight lost access to a revenue source. But, like, but more specifically, like, just the, often the experience of being on a platform like this where there's these two tabs, there's your. For you, and then there's your following, and, like, you go into the. For you, and it's just like an endless glut of just images and content and, like, I guess I just, you know, sometimes I just feel so overwhelmed by it, you know, and I feel so overwhelmed by the bodies I see and the people having sicken sex and, like, the type of pleasure and the type of sexual enjoyment that I see.
The Power of Stepping Away
And I know you can kind of cultivate it, like, and control it, but I don't know, I just feel really overwhelmed by it sometimes. And there's so much power in just stepping away from that or offering a different thing, offering something else, you know, it's really important. Anyway, sorry, that's just a little bit of a rant. No, I really value that. And I actually, I completely relate. I completely relate. It is overwhelming. And I think as, I mean, I can only speak to my own experience and the places I've grown up and lived, but I have really found overdose my life that I've really yearned to find safe gay men's spaces where I didn't have to be, like, I don't know, on the lookout for sex or being looked at for sex.
Seeking Safe Spaces
Or at least if that was happening, it wasn't in this, like, overt, kind of, like, showy way. Like I've often, I've really longed because, I mean, the Twitter experience that you're speaking to, like, it really, it's its own simulation that doesn't, it doesn't really marry reality. Like, the reality of that in the physical context would be going into some form, maybe like a kink space where everyone around you is performing different things and you're literally got hundreds of sex acts going on around you in a room. And the reality of that is that just would not fucking happen if it wasn't for this, the false reality of the Internet, you know, and as a human being, we're not really calibrated to experience that.
The Disconnect of Online Experiences
And no wonder people are feeling overwhelmed by it or disenfranchised by it or exceptionally pressured by it to meet some form of standard that they're seeing, because it doesn't marry real life unless it's. And I. And even then, if you were to go into those, say, that example of a kink space like that's not every day, that's not sitting on the toilet before you go to work. Like, that's a very intentional space that you would be entering into to then be with it and then to leave and with this online situation. It's. It's kind of all day or every day in your face at a fingertips moment.
The Importance of Yoga in Grounding
And the difference that, I mean, yoga is slow. You know, yoga is about slowing down. Yoga is about tuning in, not out in, and not only tuning in, but then, I mean, with new jerk and the partner poses that I run, I do that on purpose because I want to connect other bodies to other bodies, other men to other men. And I want them to have the experience that I enjoyed of, oh, wow, this is what it's like to be breathing naked back to back with another man. And that's what we're doing.
Connecting Through Breath and Movement
That's where this is going into. It's just going into more breathing, you know, and then to be. To help. To help another man stretch out his. His belly or something like that, or to help another man enter into a twist with them, like, there's something really connecting and that. Yeah, it's. It's kind of sexy. It's sensual, like I said, but it is also in a way, that is really human and non pressured. And I think that. That. I think that creates more of a holistic experience of being with other gay men in a way where it adds more roundness to the otherwise sexualized context, which we typically experience.
Further Exploration in Retreats
Yeah. Yeah, totally. Yeah. My question. Yes, my question. And I just want to talk on it just a little bit, based on time with you evolving within naked yoga, was that also then the catalyst for creating the retreat and, you know, to explore further in those sexual and erotic spaces? Yeah, definitely. I think I wouldn't have been able to run those retreats without. With you, Corey, without actually have being able to lead men in naked, vulnerable spaces already.
Building Towards Retreats
Because I. Back in the day, I used to do tantra work one one with people, whereas these days, it's predominantly one to, like, I work predominantly with couples or in, like, group contexts now and less in the one to one space. But to be able to, like, work, you know, on our last retreat, we had, like, what, 15 guys all doing, like, erotic work together, as well as non erotic work. Like, it's nothing just about the eros. It's about everything. Mind, body, soul, sex. The whole thing is part of those retreats, you know? And without being able to guide men in naked yoga, as almost, like, my own prerequisite, I wouldn't have.
The Evolution of Community
There's no way, because the level of groundedness that you need to have to be able to lead a space like that and not get lost in itself, you know, to not get swept into the whole thing and lose your grounding as the person facilitating the safety within the space, like, I personally think it would have been almost impossible. So, yes, I definitely feel like the. The yoga has been a flow in. And actually, for the guys that. I mean, half the guys that end up coming to nude yoga, I mean, to the retreats, I think usually it's about 25% of them have come from my naked yoga class anyway.
Preparing for Future Retreats
So they've sort of, like, also enhanced their own vulnerability in there. They're ready, then to step into it because they, too, have developed their own and expanded their own sense of safety and vulnerability to be in those sort of spaces. That's a good segue, though. Like, where. What next? Where will you take. Take your practice? Like, yeah, because currently it's just in Canberra.
Plans for Expansion
Is that correct? Yeah, currently it's in Canberra, but I am 100% moving up in. To the north at some point, and it's probably going to be in the next six, seven, eight months. So I do want to run my next retreat up near Byron. Byron Bay, Sunshine Coast, Gold coast region in Australia, if you know it. But in addition to that, I've just created. So I'm collaborating with another facilitator who's also facilitating.
Collaboration and Community Growth
He facilitated at Naked man camp for many years. I know that you're facilitating there this year. Corey and I've collaborated with him to create. His name is Wolf, and he runs Tantra fit Oz. And Wolf's amazing. He's such a. The name is appropriate. He feels like the same tantra. And. Yeah, like, he's such a. He's got so much experience, and he's been working in Tantra for, like, over 20 years or something.
Creating a New Space for Exploration
It's pretty amazing. But, yeah, we've created an online house of Tantra, which is essentially, it's a community. It's a community for guys who want to explore Tantra. We've got three pillars.
The Pillars of Personal Development
Personal growth and spirituality is the first pillar. Love and relationships is the second pillar. Sex and intimacy is the third pillar. So, you know, that's the. To me, that. That forms the. I love this. This project house of Tantra. We're about to open the. It opens in, like, two weeks because it is the culmination of all of the experiences that tantra surrounds. So it's all about the sex and all of that growth. But then it's also the other pieces that are part of our experience, like love, like relationships, like body image, like. Like power dynamics, like all kinds of things that we're going to be exploring.
Community and Growth
Exploring in that. And rather than do it as, like, some form of course or program, I was like, nah, I want a community. Because in that way, it's like, it's about growing together and learning from each other. Yeah. So I feel like that's the development. And, I mean, for our next retreat, Corey, whenever that may be, I'm just really keen to, like, develop that with you because I know you and I have both had our own personal shifts and growth over the last year, and I have a feeling that our next retreat is going to be, like, freaking incredible. But, like, on a whole new level of depth. Same, same, you know, just. Just with. Within what's happened in the past, you know, where are we now? Like, nine months. Like, there's been. There's a lot of shift happening globally.
Exploration of Inner Self
People are really opening up to wanting to explore themselves in a deeper way, so. And in a spiritual way. You know, they and sexual way, they all come from the same place. So there is this huge opportunity to expand that, which I'm really excited about you moving up this way because it is, you know, really special place up here. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, I can't wait to get up there. I'm trying my best to get up there as soon as possible. Oh, my God. I've got a year of university left. You guys. Fair? Almost done. Almost done. Hey, Andreas, I wanted to ask you a question. and it's. Maybe it's. Maybe it's like a provocation in a way, because I'm thinking about this for myself as well.
Growth and Learning
Like. Like, what do you feel like you have to learn. You know, we're talking about next steps, but what areas where you feel like you still have things that you feel like you want to get better at doing? Orlando, kind of. Because I'm thinking about this with my own practice because I'm like, I'm loving doing what I doing, but I thinking that I need it to grow. And I think that I'm also kind of. I'm not sure where my deficits are. And, like, this is not a maybe. I hope this doesn't sound like a negative question, but I guess I'm curious about, like, what do you feel like the things are that you want to grow for yourself in the work you're doing or get better at doing?
Seeking Spiritual Depth
I think. Yeah. So it's a really. That's a deep question. I'm like, I need. I need to feel into it. No, fully. Sorry. It's great. No, it's great. I think, like, what. What I'm really leaning into is, like, I do psychic work as well and psychic channeling work, so I'm really leaning into that as part of the actual work that I'm doing. And, you know, with the retreats as an example, I really want to figure out a way that I can accessibly include this spiritual depth into the experience of the retreat. I know that Corey's, like, spiritual risti plus tarot reading offering has become one of his mostly sought after offerings. And I think that really speaks to that.
Eagerness and Instability in Learning
There's a curiosity. There's a sense of eagerness within our community, I think, around these sort of more esoteric or spiritual topics. And I think, as Corey was saying, it really reflects the state of the world and the changes that we're all feeling and experiencing. And also the sense of instability that associated with that change, because that instability then forces us, and I've been experiencing this to kind of look within and to start going, oh, shit. Well, like, well, what are the resources within me that I need to draw upon and I need to enhance and explore where. Where do I need to go deeper within myself? And I think that's an area where I do feel very curious and excited to band into, to be able to bring sex and spirituality together in an even more, like, accessible but profound way.
Navigating Accessibility and Spirituality
As Corey said, they come from the same place. I completely agree. And, or I would say I know that to be the case. And that's something that I really, I'm really. I'm keen to do. And I'm also scared because there's that peace around being accessible to people so that guys can come along and actually really get something out of it. And it's not just a bunch of spiritual concepts that go over their brain. I never want to be that sort of spiritual person or leader. I really want to try and I guess I don't know, I don't quite know what that's going to look like. That, to me, feels like an edge that I really want to lean towards.
Communicating New Approaches
Yeah. Because I'm trying to kind of work out how to, like, my practice is really developing and the interests that I have are really developing, but the problem I have is communicating what I want to do and turning that into something that people understand as part of what I'm offering, you know? And, like, I'm getting really interested in, like, kind of in, like, indirect approaches to body work where essentially use minimal touch and kind of, you know, you might be placing 5 grams of pressure over an area that you're intending to treat, and then you're waiting for the tissues to make their change and following those changes.
Integrating Anatomy and Spirituality
And that's a thing I'm really interested in because it's a really integrated anatomical, physiological practice, and it has a kind of spiritual component to it as well. But I'm trying to work out how to communicate that. I don't think I do it very well, and I want it to become part of my practice. So I'm just like, you know, it's just this thing. There's always these things aren't there. They're like, oh, if I could just do that better, you know? Anyway, yeah, I think that's a refinement, right? Like, and I found that within this myself, especially experiencing, like, you know, Corey and I were saying we've experienced a lot of shifts and stuff and that's been personal and then filtered into the work.
Embracing the Current Phase
Right. The offerings. And there's always this. We always have this. I mean, I feel like there's always this need to be faster and to go faster than when I'm going. And like, oh, well, I should be further along than I am. And that's almost like an always on feeling. And I've really, I've learned through that there's something really to be said in the space you're in right now, which is, like, that nebulous there. Like, there's an emerging sense of direction, but the direction is still being formed, right? Like, it's still being. It's still being formed during that Chrysalis phase.
The Process of Clarity
And I think that there is something really special in that phase because that's where clarity and direction is birthed from. And if we rush that because we're fearful of, like, there's like, you know, some sort of fear that we're behind the eight ball or something, then it really. It starts to erode what would otherwise be birthed from. From that nebulous space. So I think that's just my way of saying, like, as you continue to explore the path and experience and explore the work with the people you're working with and talk to them about it and how they've experienced the work after the session or whatever, it's like, it will start to just come.
Finding Language in Practice
It'll start to make Itself more known and the languaging will start to come. I've struggled with that all the time, you know? I mean, am I what will. Am I sacred? Is it sacred sexuality? Is it holistic sexuality? Is it tantra? What does that even mean? Like, so I totally get it. Especially when we're in this. We're in this space now of, like, people are birthing things that haven't existed before. You know, it's not like you can just slap it, slap a modality trademark on it and be like, yeah, cool.
Creating New Modalities
Everyone gets what this is now because now I'm an ex and everyone knows what x is. That's really easy. But when you're creating a modality that perhaps is unique to you or hasn't quite been expressed in a way that other people have done before you, then there is this feeling into the essence and the energy of what that actually is and starting to find the language to explain that to people. But I've always found it's actually talking to the clients and hearing their perspective that helps me to go, oh, so that's how they read it.
Gaining Insight from Clients
That's how they experience it. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Look, I'm just thinking about the time, Corey, I guess we're just on an hour now, so I wondered maybe should we ask if there's anyone who had any questions that they wanted to ask Andreas or. Yeah, if anyone has any questions, please put your hand up. Yeah. Very welcome to speak. Comment or not. Or not. Or nothing.
Engaging the Audience
While we're waiting, Andreas, how, if anyone's in the Canberra region, how, firstly, would they get in contact with you to do a class or. And that's for your nude yoga? And then what are the other ways that people can contact you for other services? For sure? If you. If you hop onto my Twitter profile from here, you'll see that my links to my website are on my profile. So you can just navigate to my website from there.
Exploring Offerings
And then you'll see once you get there that you kind of will be faced with a fork in the road. You can choose whether you go down the men's tantra and sacred sexuality route of my website or you can go into the spirituality and psychic channeling work. So whatever resonates with you, go in there and explore. I think if you're not in the Canberra region, but you are interested in exploring tantra or some of my work, then I think House of Tantra would probably be the best thing for you because it's online.
Accessibility and Affordable Options
I've designed it to be really cheap and accessible to as many people as possible. So that could be a really good first step. Amazing. Amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, Andres, thanks so much for joining us. And, like, just that last comment as well, just offering a bit of guidance as well. I really appreciate that. Thank you. Oh, you're so welcome. Thank you so much, guys.
Reflection on the Conversation
It's been a while since our last one, and I'm really glad that you guys have invited me back. It feels like a really cool, real space to be talking about sex work, naked work, whatever the work may be. And I'm really grateful to be. To be invited into it. We are so happy to have you back, and we would love to have you back again to take a deeper dive into House of Tantra once it's up and running. That's so exciting.
Continuing the Conversation
And I'm sure many listeners that be interested in going into further development and their own evolution of exploring self because they're ready. So, yeah, we would love to have you back. Amazing. Thanks, guys. Well, thanks, everyone, for joining that came in to listen to myself and Tom, my co host and our special guest on embodiment. We will be back in two weeks time with another guest.
Appreciation for Topics Discussed
And, yeah, we appreciate you listening to these very important topics that we talk about within sex talk. And until next time, thanks, Corey. Thanks, Andreas. Take it easy, guys. You too. See? Bye.
