OnePieceLabs x 0G Cohort 1 Learning and Next Steps – Part 1

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The Twitter Space OnePieceLabs x 0G Cohort 1 Learning and Next Steps – Part 1 hosted by 0G_labs. The OnePieceLabs x 0G Cohort 1 Twitter space delved into the world of decentralized AI operating systems, emphasizing collaboration, networking, and the ethical considerations crucial in AI development. Participants explored the evolving AI landscape, highlighted the significance of embracing new technologies like 0G, and discussed the practical applications of AI across various sectors. The space provided valuable insights on the importance of continuous learning, agile methodologies in project management, and fostering an inclusive and diverse AI community to drive innovation responsibly.

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Questions

Q: Why is understanding the decentralized AI landscape important?
A: It fosters innovation and helps in staying relevant in the rapidly evolving AI domain.

Q: How does collaboration benefit the advancement of AI technology?
A: Collaboration facilitates knowledge-sharing, problem-solving, and faster growth in the AI sector.

Q: What opportunities can networking within the AI community bring?
A: Networking can lead to partnerships, mentorships, job opportunities, and exposure to new AI trends.

Q: Why is it crucial to embrace new technologies like 0G in AI operations?
A: New technologies such as 0G can enhance efficiency, speed, and capabilities in AI systems.

Q: How can agile methodologies streamline AI project management?
A: Agile approaches enable adaptive planning, evolutionary development, early delivery, and continuous improvements in AI projects.

Q: Why are ethical considerations important in AI development?
A: Ethical guidelines ensure responsible AI practices, address bias, privacy, transparency, and trust in AI applications.

Highlights

Time: 00:10:15
Decentralized AI Landscape Exploration Insights on the importance of understanding the decentralized AI space.

Time: 00:22:45
Networking in AI Community Benefits of networking for AI professionals and enthusiasts.

Time: 00:35:20
Agile Methodologies in AI How agile methodologies improve AI project management.

Time: 00:50:10
Ethical AI Development Importance of ethical considerations in AI innovation.

Time: 00:58:30
Practical AI Applications Real-world applications of AI technology across industries.

Key Takeaways

• Understanding the decentralized AI landscape is essential for future innovation.
• Collaboration and shared learning play a critical role in advancing AI technology.
• Networking within the AI community opens doors to opportunities and growth.
• Embracing new technologies like 0G can revolutionize AI operations.
• Continuous learning and adaptation are key in the evolving AI ecosystem.
• Building a strong foundation in AI fundamentals is crucial for success.
• Exploring practical applications of AI in various industries leads to insights and innovation.
• Diverse perspectives and experiences enrich the AI development process.
• Adopting agile methodologies can streamline AI project management.
• Ethical considerations in AI development are paramount for responsible innovation.

Behind the Mic

Introduction to the Show

What's up everybody? I'm looking forward to the show today. Let's get the space tweeted out. We'll have a little intro music here. Looking all around at the people I see everybody's living the dream starring in the show that we film on our phones taking photos for pretend magazines I don't want silver, don't want the bronze I won't play boxing, I play the fines every time I see a shiny thing on the screen maybe that could be me looking over there at the grass at your place wondering why it's greener than mine while you're looking over here at my studio space.

Engagement and Announcements

I don't. Want silver, don't want the bronze I won't play party I play the fly try to keep my head down does not care what's that over there? Can we get started in 1 minute, ladies and gentlemen? But please, if you have not done so already, share out the space and let's highlight these amazing artists and platforms today. Looking forward to a good show. We'll get started in 1 minute. Welcome to the Leather Lounge, a weekly show recorded live every Thursday where we explore the latest innovations in the bitcoin ecosystem.

Show Objectives

From DeFi and Dapps to digital art, we bring you in depth conversations with developers, artists and community leaders who are shaping the future. Whether you're here to learn about cutting edge projects or to deepen your understanding of blockchain basics and centralization, leather is your go to source for all things bitcoin. Content shared on this podcast is for informational and entertainment purposes only. It does not constitute financial, investment or legal advice. The views and opinions expressed are those of the host and guests and do not reflect the official policy or position of any other agency, organization or company.

Community Engagement and Introductions

We encourage you to conduct your own research and consult with a qualified professional before making any financial decisions. Well, hello and welcome back to the Leather Lounge. I am your host, Sean Longstreet, and today art is getting the spotlight. We're joined by post Wook, Natasha, Gerard Fernandez, co founder and CEO of Vivid Ordinals Gallery Bryce, co founder of Aeons BTC and Stephen Miller, a tokenized art advocate, community builder and he is deeply knowledgeable about the art community and emerging artists and trends in the tokenized digital art space. So I'm super excited to get started with the show.

Community Updates

But first, as always, we're going to check in with Kate, our Leathers community lead. So Kate, what's good in the leatherhood? Hello. Hello everyone. Really excited for you guys all to be here. Yeah, the leatherhood what we've been up to. I think we've just been enjoying October or rectober, whatever you want to call it. So far we've just been hanging out in our discord and some other spaces here on Twitter with the welsh community. And honestly, this week we've been talking to a lot of artists who are also innovating in bitcoin and looking to partner on some fun projects.

Art Focus

So this conversation is going to be, you know, it's great timing and I'm really excited to get into this one today. Yeah, definitely. Art is something that we. I think there's a lot of people within the, not only the leather community, the leather Alpha program, but everyone in the, on the leather team. I know there's a lot of art fans and creative people around as well. So yeah, we don't always get to have these well attended art focused lounge episodes, but they're always my favorite. So I'm looking forward to it. And what about any updates on the BNS airdrops? Is that all good to go? Is that complete?

Project Updates

Yes, that is complete right now. So look out for that for sure. Awesome. Okay, good. And no leather Lounge would be complete without checking in from Brett from Gamma IO. And I always get a recording for anyone new listening this episode because I do see some new faces in the audience. Thank you all the new people for joining. We get a weekly check in from Bretamma IO, so we're going to hear his recording here. Take it away, Brett. Hello, leather Lounge. This is Brett Hirschcope or Eli Herf from Gamma.

Brett's Update

I hope you're having a great space with the man Longstreet and your guest today with Stephen Miller and aeons, or eons, as I pronounce it in Australia. But who's right? Doesn't really matter. So lots happening. Lots happening on bitcoin. What's happening on stacks this week? Starting with bitcoin, we had our four, or we have our four gamma artist ambassadors in Empress trash. Ollie, Pavel, Duko and the artist each curate in a guest artist for a set of prints or a drop of prints. So prints are on chain editions on bitcoin, all based off of an original.

Art and Innovations

So the original art must be on chain in order for the editions or the prints to be able to be inscribed and generated on chain. So some incredible artists, Pavel curated in Olga Fredina, Empress Trash curated in iteration, Ollie curated in Luke Grindhouse, and the artist has curated in an artist who is not even traditionally from the web, three space, more from the web, two space if you want to call it that, the traditional art space called Zoe Moss. So one to look out for her piece is quite incredible. It's an oil painting and it is photorealistic.

Evolution of Art Funding

Luke Grindhouse's piece is some incredible AI work which has also then been digitally painted and curated. So one of those mixed media type pieces, iteration, dropped a really incredible deep and textural pixel art piece. And Olga Fredina, much in the style of pavel, dropped an incredible piece of generative art. So, well, worth checking those out on gamma. So on the stack side, we had the big Leo mint. We haven't seen a ten k collection mint out on stacks in ages. I think the last one was stacculence and that took a while, whereas this one minted out, you know, within the sort of five or six hour mint period, which was incredible to see.

Community Participation

Stax was alive and well. Lots of people using their leather wallets. Of course, I saw the leather trait in the collection looking fantastic. And yeah, there's a leather alpha group going around, so I don't know if Longstreet is going to be dropping any of the alpha of why that exists in this space, but best of luck if he is. And this was Gamma corner number 14 until next week. Peace out. Well, that was a great little transition. Kate, why don't you jump on the mic again? And for anyone new in the audience, what if you plug our leather Alpha program right now?

Update from Kate

Absolutely. Yeah. I'm sure there's some rumors flying around about this one for sure. So you've probably heard Wen mobile quite often, and we're excited here at leather. We're trying to get people involved and make sure that we give you the best possible product that we can. So leather Alpha is related to mobile, and you'll see lots more of that to come in the future. I don't want to say too much, but that's as far as I'll go today. Okay, very good. Well, I'm very excited to get started with the show today.

Show Structure

So this is our 23rd episode. And when we started, way back when, episode one, I think that was around May, I knew that I really wanted to talk with Stephen Miller to get him on the show because as I mentioned in the introduction, he is one of the most knowledgeable curators, collectors and art advocates in the space. And I'm very excited to welcome to the lounge, Stephen. How you doing? Gmgm. Sean, so glad to be with you today. I'm honestly over the moon, man. I'm humbled by the intro.

Discussion with Stephen

There's so much incredible stuff to talk about around the space right now. And frankly, I wouldn't want to talk about it anywhere else on a Thursday than here in the leather lounge. So I appreciate you having me on. Nice. Well, I know that you is a very full time job for you, so you make the rounds. I see you in a lot of spaces. So, I'm glad you could join us here. So we do have a lot to get to. Typically, we do like a 60 minutes show, but I know we're going 90 minutes today.

Time Constraints

So, and I know we do have some people who might have some time sensitive time restrictions. So I think that it would be good if we jump to Gerard, co founder, CEO of Vivid Ordinals. Gerard, can you give us a little introduction beyond what I've already done? Of course. Well, first of all, thank you so much. It's super exciting to be here tonight. Such great speakers. Always surprised by the quality of those pieces, by the way. So thank you so much for that. Thank you. So my name is Gerard, as you.

Gerard’s Introduction

Said, co founder of Vivid Gallery. So for those who don't know vivid gallery. So we basically support generative artists to release their work on ordinals. And yeah, we have different formats, so of course, the created collection, as everybody knows, but we are also releasing a new format that we are trying out for these last weeks. It's basically a way of collecting. We are allowing collector to own the entire algorithm. So that's kind of interesting for me, this new way of collecting and of creating generative art.

New Concepts in Collecting

Okay, brilliant. So tell me more about that. And actually, here's one question that I had for Steven, but maybe I will ask this to you first, because you are specifically ordinals based, youre bitcoin based. There has been so much of an evolution over the past couple of years. Can you tell me about the origins of vivid ordinals and if you can tie that into the evolution of the space over the last year or so? Yes, of course. Actually, its a very interesting story because all the members of the team, we already working on Ethereum, you know, during the last NFT bull run, etcetera, and we're already working with a lot of artists and trying to inscribe their work on chain, on Ethereum already.

Background of Vivid Ordinals

Because for us, it has always been super important to respect this because it. Makes just so much sense. And when ordinals came by, it just felt perfect, you know? Okay. This new protocol on the mother chain, very elegant way of selling and collecting art because of the inscription method. And for us, it just makes total sense. So we started collaborating with Harto that released the Genesis pass collection of vivid, the SATs collection. And then we slowly started collaborating with. Other very talented artists.

Evolution of Ordinals

And nowadays it feels super cool to just remember what we have lived for the last year and a half or. Even two years, because it has evolved a lot. You know, at the beginning, very few people interested in ordinals, but now it seems like the perfect place for art. And I think that we are going to see that in the next month, you know, art on bitcoin season. Yeah, definitely. Well, tell me about this pass available for people. So you have the vivid ordinals Genesis pass.

Details on Vivid Ordinals Genesis Pass

Yes, exactly. So basically we Harto inscribed his SATs collection. So it's only a 99 pieces collection that he started inscribing below ten k. So some of the inscriptions from the collection. Yeah, are below ten K inscriptions. So it's super cool. And we kind of use it as the top collectors pass in a way. So every sats holder has benefits within the gallery. So for example, we have airdropped pieces from almost every created collection from the beginning.

Benefits for Holders

We are trying to give them discounts and more wide list opportunities, these kind of things. So, yeah, it comes with some advantages, but, you know, it's always this attachment that you have for the first collection and the beginning of this story of this adventure. How many artists have you worked with and helped onboard? So I may say something like a mistake, I'm not even sure, but because we are working with some, but I say between five and ten, we have released like, yes, seven curated collections, but also worked with some other collaborations and with this new format.

Artist Onboarding

But yeah, around ten. Around ten artists already. And what are you most excited about coming up? Well, I'll say this new format because I see these people getting interested into that, for example. So just to explain, it's called the shadow format. So it comes from this idea that the market needs something different in the art ecosystem because we have seen a lot of five k, ten k, twelve K PCs, collection of generative art.

Market Dynamics

And people started to feel a little bit weird about that because there is too much supply versus low demand in art. In a way, of course there is a lot of demand, but supply was when just to the roofs and the idea was, okay, how can we create a new experience for first for the artist, you know, a new format that will open new creativity concepts and then for a collector to own the entire algorithm. So it's a little bit like they own the full collection of art and that's basically it.

Future of Generative Art

So I'm very excited about it because the collectors really feel that this is the way to go, you know, reducing supply and trying to work as much as possible on the quality of the art and trying to bring, you know, this traditional art market good things, you know, those. Those artists that are really connected with the collectors and that are going to talk about their piece of art for weeks or even years sometimes. And collectors that preserve their pieces for years, you know, and not just buy and try to sell it 1 minute after they buy the piece.

Curation Process and Artist Approach

Yeah, that's a. That's an important topic. I. Maybe we can touch on that in a minute. But, Stephen, I want to throw it to you real quick. Yeah, I think it really can't be stated enough, like, just the importance of these different art houses on bitcoin. And granted, art houses everywhere. Right. The fact that they can support artists in ways that they can't necessarily support themselves is such a huge benefit for the space. It's a benefit for collectors, it's a benefit for artists and beyond.

Vivid's Contribution

So I've been a huge fan of what vivid has been building for as long as I've been in the space, because, again, like, I go back to January 21 of when I came into the space full time, but, you know, watching what vivid's done since the early days, getting chance to get to know Gerard behind the scenes, it's been a pleasure. And I think that it's an indicator that there's a lot of people who are doing a lot of good for artists in our space at large. But with Vivint in particular, the reality that they are trying to shape a new format right now in a time where it's very clearly very build heavy and not necessarily a ton of action, to me, is an extreme opportunity for people.

Emerging Opportunities

Right. Because this is introducing one of one artwork within the generative format in a way that we haven't had the opportunity to collect before. So I'm so excited about the format. I refuse to say it out loud in terms of the name, because I constantly butcher the pronunciation, but that doesn't change the fact that I absolutely am about what they do. but, Gerard, I just out of curiosity, not that I'm trying to hijack here, would you be able to tell us much about, what's upcoming for the next, project within this format?

Upcoming Project Insights

Hi. Yes, of course. Well, first of all, thank you so much for your kind words. Like, it really feels the same. I'm so happy to connect with you every time. And every time we have a call. I'm always, you know, motivated again to build in this ecosystem. So thank you so much. Well, so, actually, the next piece is. Going to be by Dario Lanza, that's here in the audience. So maybe he can just tell us a little bit about that after. I don't know if we have time.

Artistic Features

But, yeah, for me, it's one of the most elegant work that we have inscribed until now. I'm super excited about this piece because it mixes everything that I like. Basically, it's a generative homage to the greek myths. So Dario just took the idea, the minotaur myth, and just mixed it in a way where he's also generating greek vases, and they are wonderful. Like, seriously, you must check that. It's super cool.

Importance of Storytelling in Art

But, you know, it mixes everything that I like old stuff with a story, with the concept. And, yeah, I think that Dario, of course, will talk a little bit more about that and in a better way. But this piece, for me, really represents what we should target in terms of concept and storytelling in generative art. You know, because generative art has so many, you know, the opportunities that this opens. You know, you can generate whatever you want. You can create something that visually will represent almost everything if you are talented enough that here you can really see the potential of this type of art.

Introduction to Dario

Okay, well, we have Dario up here on stage. So, Dario, welcome your artwork here, your approach. Yes, we can. Thank you for having me. I'm really excited. Super excited tonight for participating in this space and for releasing this new project with this new format. As Gerald is commenting, it's a really new. It's a really new things and really new concept of making art, of selling art, of collecting art.

Artistic Empowerment

And for me, I'm super excited of having the chance to release one of my projects in this new concept, in this new format. That is super cool. I consider it the perfect way to empower the collector, because until now, we, as creators, as programmers, as artists, we get used to have the whole algorithm getting outputs, outputting images, and giving them to collectors to pick some of them or maybe to purchase some of them or whatever.

New Paradigms in Art Sales

Now we have the opportunity to sell the whole algorithm, whole creation, whole collection, infinite possibilities in a box. And you can share that power with a collector that may evaluate that and may appreciate that. So I think it's very cool. It's a totally different paradigm. What we have until now was just one model, and this is another model, generating an infinite possibilities of an algorithm and provide the collector the chance to. To get it.

Excitement for Generative Art

So I think it's a new day on generative art, and I'm super excited to be part of it. Okay, so I'll throw this question out and anyone can answer it, but I'm so curious. Obviously, you have a distinguished background as an artist. Now that you are transitioning into this space with a seemingly unlimited possibilities, like this new digital canvas, the possibility of generative art, how do you focus and make choices? Yeah. How do you navigate all the possibilities and handle the curation process?

Navigating Artistic Choices

What's that like, working with all of these new possibilities. As an artist? You mean when designing the collection? Yeah. And how this. How the new opportunities have changed your approach as an artist? No, definitely, because until now, you had the chance to select some outputs or the curate the results. But now you will give the collector an infinite button to produce any outputs that they want.

Artistic Accuracy

So you have to be even more strict, even more accurate with your decisions, with your design. It needs to be perfect, or almost perfect in most cases. So it definitely streamlines the process and it definitely makes it more. You have to be more accurate on what you are creating. But the finality for me is something more interesting because I think that is the first time that this is being done now with this new concept in vivid.

Collective Experience

So I think it's very interesting. And the finality is more demanding for the designer, for the artist, but I think that way more interesting for the collector. So this is something that was designed to give the collector a better experience.

Challenges and Responsibilities

So it's harder for us, but I think it's better for the collector, definitely. Well, it's harder because bitcoin is hard, and it's. I mean, when you talk about finality, I mean, you couldn't pick a better chain for that. But I understand, like, the stakes are high. Kate, you had a follow up question. Let me throw it to you, Kate. Yeah, absolutely. I'll also throw this out to anyone. I'm really just curious. As an artist, choosing where to showcase your art is almost like a message in itself. But what is it about the bitcoin ecosystem that drew you in? Is it the culture? Is it the permanence? I'm just really curious as to why bitcoin is so interesting to you as artists.

Eternal Nature of Art

Well, for me, knowing that understanding that bitcoin is where your art will be forever will stay forever with the collection fully on chain. So you know that it will stay there forever. So it's something that obviously is a responsibility, but also it's very nice to be sure that it will stay there. And aside from that, this particular collection that is inspired in the greek myths, something that is so ancient, so old, that also tells us stories about us, about today and about tomorrow. So this collection has some sort of eternal feeling. And obviously, Bitcoin was the right choice for inscribing a project like this and for inscribing a message like this. Steven.

Mythology and Humanity

Yeah. There's so much to enjoy about this collection in the format at large, but I want to speak to something that is really, at least I find really fascinating about Dario's work here. And it's this juxtaposition with the idea that we've considered bitcoin a time chain for as long as, at least I remember, as long I've been as I've been in the space. And it brings up concepts of proof of history and how we actually preserve what our own peerage humankind has actually put out over time. And this is a really fascinating way of documenting mythology. And something is, I guess, like that really sticks in your memory, like grig pottery and looking at each of these individual sculptures that realistically, the code's creating that, to me, is a really fascinating concept.

Algorithms and Creativity

But it also brings a quote to mind that I'm really fond of when it comes to generative art. And it's something that bonafide Hahn, who I had the pleasure of speaking with this past Tuesday on MySpace, brought up now three years ago. And it's this idea of, there's every now and again, you have this opportunity of finding God in the algorithm. Right? How an algorithm or generative art can provide something that almost wouldn't come to life were it not for some greater type of intervention. And with something like this within the format, it allows you to explore all of the potential possibilities that an algorithm could give you to appreciate so that you can now find that bit of God in the algorithm on your own time. And to me, that's something that's really beautiful underlying all this.

Generative Art's Unique Perspective

So I just wanted to be able to share that for a couple of seconds. And, Dario, I applaud you, man. It's great work. Thank you. And that's the idea when I was commenting that this concept, this new format, is aimed to empower the collector to explore endlessly explore, to own everything, to enjoy everything. Not just one piece or a couple of pieces or some of them that you can collect, but endlessly and forever, you can continue enjoying the collection, generating, exploring, creating new outputs. And the final is something very interesting that generative art was providing us but nobody was exploring. And finally, this format for me is something very unique. And I'm very excited for releasing this today or for announcing this today.

Value of Ownership in Art

That reminds me, I think that's important. Sorry. Go ahead. Oh, yeah. I think that's an interesting point because. When I started talking with some institutions. And museums, it's kind of thing like for them. It's also very interesting to just own the whole piece and not just to share that with a lot of different people that they don't know how they are going to react to some market evolution and whatever, you know, it's a safer move to own these kind of things. So I think that will open the door to these opportunities. And finally, when you think also about the format regarding to the market, I think, of course it empowers the collector, but it also empowers the artist in a way.

Connecting Collector and Artist

Why? Because the collector that's going to collect this piece, you are sure that it's a person that just took the time to discover the entire piece, to know about the concept, to know about the artist, to know about everything behind the piece. And that's something that I think we have lost a little bit when selling art here in web three. You know, some people just buy because, oh, yeah, it has a lot of engagement on twitter or whatever. And when I talk with artists, what they deeply care about is to know that their story has been listened and the concept and the artwork has been understood. And I think that this kind of format gives that opportunity because the collector will preserve that piece for months or years like traditional collectors do.

Unique Artistic Endeavors

And even on this financial side, of course, that's the only problem of this format. You know, a lot of people are not going to be interested because you cannot generate a quick win on that. But if you think about it, you are owning a very special piece in the career of an artist that you love. And when that artist becomes a little bit more famous, that's something very special, you know, and very valuable. Good point. Because this project, this concept also restores the uniqueness of an artwork because until now, we produce long form collections. Well, that's okay. That's pretty cool. That's very nice. But this restores the uniqueness, the sense of uniqueness of an artwork.

The Timelessness of Art

You create something, you craft something with all your love, with all your creativity, and you put it on the hands of a single collector that will enjoy it, that will appreciate it, that will take care of it. So I think it's something very, very beautiful and something very interesting to explore how collectors react to these new feelings and to these new ideas. Steven, when you mentioned that bitcoin is a time chain, it reminded me that of our. Of how this connects so well with such ancient story, with the greek myths. And I love the timelessness of this. And humans, we're storytellers, like that drives everything.

Expressing Collective Experiences

We are obsessed with stories and expressing ourselves through storytelling and connecting with others because of their stories. So, Dario, I'm not sure how explicit you want to get with your intention and what you're trying to express with this collection, but if I can just plainly put it, what's your message? What are you trying to convey in. This project with the title is Ariatna. It's a representation of a myth, of a greek myth, the myth of Theseus and the Minotaur in the labyrinth and the hero, Theseus that needed to enter the labyrinth, the maze, and find a Minotaur and kill. And kill it. Some other heroes tried that, but at some point they got lost in the labyrism.

Ariadne and the Labyrinth

They couldn't reach the way out and finally died, killed by the Minotaur. In the myth. In the story, Ariadne gave a thread to Theseus and she told him, tie this thread at the entrance of the labyrinth, find a minotaur, kill it. And then just by rewinding the threat, you can find the way out. And this is what is represented. This is represented in tones of greek amphora and vases, all along the Mediterranean, all along the ancient history. And now I try to produce a contemporary representation of the myth. I didn't want to be too figurative or too explicit, representing the miniature or the battle, the fighting with Theseus, wherever, but I represent the vase, the amphora, with a thread of black, with a white thread.

Visualizing the Story

And then you can see animation of a red thread that comes from the entrance, finds its way out throughout the maze, throughout the labor rooms, reaches the top of the base, and finally gaze gets out from the same spot where it entered. So that red thread represents the path of Theseus across the labyrinth, trying to. Exploring the labyrinth, trying to find the Minotaur and trying to find the way out. So you can see. Your eyes can get amazed by seeing the movements of Theseus along the labyrinth, trying to find the Minotaur and trying to find the way out. So this is the metaphor. It's a metaphorical representation, what that means where here the importance is in the thread that Ariana gave to the hero.

Personal Connections through Myth

So trying to make something that would convey that story of, I think, that every one of us felt sometimes can feel like a hero battling on a dark labyrinth and trying to find a way out. I think that we all are Theseus trying to find a way out of a labyrinthine. So I crafted this artwork thinking on any of us that will feel like this kind of unknown hero on our personal histories and trying to also bring here the grandeur and the elegance of the greek art into generative, degenerative space. Try to put all that elegance shapes all that elegant feeling in a code, in an algorithm, which is something very difficult. But the final thing is something that I worked to get that sensation and that feeling of the greek art.

The Story Behind the Art

So this is the story behind the myth. This is the story behind the collection and the representation of the myth in the surface of the vases. Wow, Dario, that's incredible. I love hearing you explain that. Stephen, question for you. What is it about? I'm going to go big here. What is it about arthem that is so powerful in letting us explore what it means to be human in a way that is kind of hard to put your finger on? So, I mean, you could have actually. No, you know what? I'm not sure that you could have asked a bigger question, Sean, so thank you for putting me on the spot with that.

Understanding Human Experiences

Yeah, no, I'm messing with you, of course, on that. But I think, to me, the. I could very easily riff on subjectivity and the fact that, like, the beauty of art is the fact that we can all see it differently. But to me, from a lot of different viewing angles, advantages. I find it is, like, one of the most fascinating parts of understanding the human condition through storytelling. So, for me, I find myself zeroing in on that. It's the fact that, like, there's so many different ways to express, you know, how you feel, what you experience through art.

Bringing Context to Code

And that's now, like, even transcending over to the world of code art, right. Because Dario has created something here that through code, right, completely generative work, you're able to bring context forward. You're able to bring in different types of messages around things that people will, like, literally be able to see in the work. Right. That it is that pottery. I personally found myself listening to what Daario was saying and still thinking to myself, man, it's also just as much this poetic idea of ordering chaos. Right. That thread and capturing it within this individual pottery image.

Interpreting Individual Journeys

It really is a matter of ordering chaos. And what people interpret that as is very much their own journey. It's something that they themselves can interpret. So I'm fascinated by those elements of it, but that's. That would be the. The way that I would answer your enormous question, where there's so many different answers that are possible for it. Well, that's. That's the idea. That thread is me, but that thread is you. And you are watching these uses on the leverage, and you say the thread is me.

Connection through Emotional Resonance

That threads represent my journey. So although it represents a myth, an old story, it represents all of us in some sense, in some moment in life. So this is the. This is the. Particularly the power of art that can connect with your own emotions, with your own feelings, with your own story, and have something visual or physical, but something that can connect with that internal feelings, that. That very unique feelings. So, for me, it's fascinating to be able to work on that level of connection with other human.

Appreciation for Artistic Journeys

Beautiful. Well, Dario, I want to thank you so much for joining us here and giving us the background into your art. I thoroughly enjoyed looking at the artwork while listening to you talk about it, so thank you so much. And we are now joined by another fantastic artist, Natasha Postwooc. Thank you so much for joining us. I know the schedule is a little bit tight for you, so hopefully we get enough time to get some of your backstory and to learn about astronomer's daughter and what you're working on now. So welcome to the lounge.

Connecting with the Audience

Hey, thanks. Yeah, I appreciate you guys being kind of flexible with me and my scheduling. I'm currently at the airport, so if you hear, like, the occasional, you know, overhead speaker, I'm trying to, like, walk away from them at the moment, but if you hear one, I'm sorry. But, yeah, I appreciate the time, and I think the first thing I have to say is, got a few collectors here, so I just wanted to thank you guys for, you know, collecting my work and showing up and just kind of, like, listening to other artists talk about art. I think, like, one of the coolest things about collecting art is the fact that you really get to invest in the artists that you're collecting from.

Personal Connections through Art

And I think, like, a few people on stage and even in the crowd, like, I've really gotten to know you guys well, and it's, like, really cool. And I wouldn't have had that experience if it wasn't for you guys, like, taking the little bit of a. I don't want to say, like, risk, but, like, kind of believing in me and what I'm doing. So I kind of get out there and say that first, but, yeah, so I guess, like, I'm the Natasha go by post book. I am an artist live in Los Angeles.

Influence of Space on Art

My dad works for NASA, which I think kind of makes me cooler somehow. Like, that wins me a lot of brownie points. I was at a dinner last night. We were talking about UFO's, and then I brought up that my dad works at NASA, and my grandfather used to work at the Pentagon, and it, like, sent everyone into a frenzy. I don't really understand why, but I've always been super inundated with space, and I just find it really interesting. One of my favorite things as a kid was just, like, going to space flight centers and seeing different rockets and going to my dad's job and seeing, like, control rooms.

Exploring Artistic Inspirations

It was always, like, something I found fascinating. And when I started making art, like, a lot of my early inspirations, oddly enough, were, like, Arizona, because that's a big standing tradition in my family, is to go to Grand Canyon and then outer space, which, if you look at my work, that's pretty much what it is. So art for me is like a very, like, meditative, therapeutic way to connect with myself and with the astronomer's daughter. I really wanted to create a collection of art that spoke to myself. My dad kind of like our story, his story, kind of like what makes him who he is and kind of why I'm so inspired by space.

Art as a Connection with Family

So I put together the collection, and I feel like you don't want to ask all the questions, so I'm just going to stop right there for the second. But thanks for having me again. I'm really happy to be here. Of course. Of course. So. Well, just in case there's. I know I do recognize some collectors here, including Brandon, who runs socials for trust machines and leather. So I know you do have a lot of fans here, but can you just give us a quick one two sentence intro to what the astronomer's daughter collection is and why that was only.

Art and Bitcoin Connection

Why you could only do that in this particular way on bitcoin? Yeah, I wanted to. I was going to say that, but I figured people would want to hear someone else's voice for a second before I just drone on more. So, yeah. So the astronomer's daughter is a one of 100 collection that exists on bitcoin. And it can only exist on bitcoin because I used recursion to put all of the different individual layers together. And all those individual layers that are put together use rare SAP block times as the blueprint of what to put where.

Building the Artwork

Right. So I used the constellation stars or the planets that were close to Earth, the season and the month and then the year of the SAP. So I used, like, satellite data and, like, the rare SAP block time to kind of come up with this, like, man made algorithm, if you will, and that dictated what all the pieces look like. So the sky color is the constellation, the plane. Planets are obviously the planets that were close to Earth. The moon phase is the moon phase from that day. There's, like, a really, like, transparent color kind of filter on top of every image, depending on the year.

Astrological Elements in Art

And then the landscape is the month and the season. So some months, obviously, fall into two seasons. So, like, march, for example, has, like, march winter, and then there's March spring. And if you look at the piece of art and you know a little bit about astrology, me that you can actually kind of figure out, like, what day it is about looking at it. But I wanted to create a collection of work that really spoke to, like, my dad's interest in, not only, like, space, but satellite data and code.

Bonding Over Shared Interests

So some of the satellite data that I used was some of the databases that my father's actually worked on, which was really cool. When I was talking to him about, like, how to put this together, he was like, oh, yeah, there's, like, so many different resources and you can use, so go. And that's one of the things I worked on. And I'm like, that's awesome. So it was, like, a really cool way for him and I to kind of, like, connect and bond over something that we're both passionate about and just kind of, like, create, like, some sort of testament to our friendship, just because I think, like, yes, he's obviously my dad, but, like, we do have this, like, incredible relationship just because we're so similar.

Shared Passions in Art

And, like, our passions really shine through in the same way. And this collection kind of, like, gives me the ability to do that, like, through the story around the art and then also the artwork itself, because he was so instrumental in me putting it all together. Sorry. I think that was, like, four sentences. But. It'S exactly what we needed to hear, though, so thank you for that. Well, I wanted to also ask you, and by the way, we probably need to get you back for a full.

Collaboration with Project Ephemera

A full show, but you also got connected with project ephemera. Can you tell us about that and why it's such a good fit for both of you? Yeah. So I think what's cool about Aaron and ephemera is the fact that, like, we're coming about a similar idea in a very different way to kind of showcase, like, how you can use time and you can use bitcoin in a way to show some sort of, like, artwork on chain that exists on chain.

Diverse Approaches to Art

And I think, like, specifically with ephemera. Like, what I like about it is that it goes very deep into more of, like, the astrology of everything, because that's obviously Erin's, like, wheelhouse. Like, she literally was a PhD candidate for astrology. She's one of the most fascinating people to talk to. I, like, every time I talk to her, I'm like. So it just makes me so happy. She's fantastic. But I think she comes at it from a different angle than I do, which is cool, because these are her words, nothing mine.

Synergy in Artistic Vision

But, like, she said it, and I'll say it again, is, like, you know, when different people have a similar idea, it means that you're on the right track. It means that you're doing something good. And I think that, like, using, like, time and using. Using time to store on an immutable chain or, like. Like, bitcoin, everything is permanent. Creates this, like, sense of just, like, timekeeping and, like, it's its own ledger of what it actually is, like, putting together.

Art as a Timekeeping Medium

I'm, like, using a lot of hand motions you guys can't see right now, which is probably not helping my point. But I think what's cool about it is the fact that, like, bitcoin has a lot of use cases, and I think that using it for timekeeping, especially for data points, it's just, like, a really cool way to tell time, you know? And I think, like, what is a better way to do that than with hard work? That's really how I kind of see it. I heard about what Erin was doing, like, pretty early into my research of what I was doing, and I was like, sweet.

Astrological Influences

This is awesome. And my first goal was, like, we need to make, like, astrology sats. Like, a thing like that needs to become, like, a rare sat category. We're still working on that, but, you know, I want to see that happen. I want to see more people care about, like, what's going on with the stars. Just a little shameless plug to crypto domus. If you don't follow them, I don't know who they are, but, you know, if you don't follow a cryptodomist and you want to know, like, what's going to happen with the cycle, they're pretty accurate.

Astrology and Market Trends

So if you're ever like, oh, I don't know what's going to happen next week, just look at their tweets. And then look at their tweets from a week ago and tell me that's not what's going on now. If you're ever scared, you know, I think astrology has actually helped me a lot with, like, understanding how, like, the having cycle and how, like, just, like, the bitcoin cycle works, and I'm less scared of it now. So if you're feeling that way, that's just my little tip for you today.

Conclusion and Next Steps

Wow. Amazing. Well, when you get a minute, would you mind pinning some relevant tweets for us? Absolutely. Yeah. Awesome. Natasha, thanks so much for joining us. Stick around if you can understand if you need to split.

Appreciation for the Collection

But I love the collection. In fact, I just discovered that there was one listed astronomer's daughter, but it's not listed anymore. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm sorry. I'm scooping that one up. So, yeah, it's a wonderful job on this collection. It's incredible. Thank you again for joining us, Stephen. This conversation could not be going better, but we're not done yet. Can you throw us an introduction to Bryce from. I was about to say, man, I got to tell you, we're coming up on the hour mark here. Really glad you let off the show with, this is going to be a full 90, because I'm pretty sure we're going to need a full 90.

Importance of Community in Art

It was so great to be able to hear from both Dario and, of course, Gerard behind Vivid and now Natasha, because all of these artists are people that I hold in some of the highest regard. Right. And to be able to explore art at this level does take a village, like, in a lot of ways. And I’m sure that both of them would probably speak to the fact that, like, even just as an artist, it takes a lot to manage a community of collectors and to maintain and establish those relationships on a level that can, in fact, be more than just transactional. Right. And that's why I'm as big on community as I am, and that's why I was really keen on making inroads with the team at Aons. And that brings up our next guest on stage today, which is Bryce. And Bryce and the team at Aons are really trying to create a community where people can explore art and do so with others who find themselves attracted to that same exact narrative.

Support for Emerging Artists

Right. About supporting emerging art on Bitcoin. And to both of these incredible artists that we've heard from today, Aon's team and the community itself is big on supporting artists at any level who come onto Bitcoin. And who want to connect with that community, right? A lot of art that is on Bitcoin is intentionally put on Bitcoin. You've now heard that from both Dario and Natasha. So with this community, with Aons, I think it goes to show that, like, people genuinely care about this shit, right? They want to come together, they want to rally together around art that is natively digital art that is natively and intentionally meant for the Bitcoin blockchain. So I'm all about it. I'm all about their community. And I think there's nobody better to be able to speak to what they're trying to do at the community level than Bryce and the team at Aon.

Introduction of Bryce

So, Bryce, I believe you're on stage. My app is not showing it, but if you are on stage, so glad that you're able to be with us. Yeah, man. Pleasure to meet all of you, and thanks for the introduction, Steve, and hope everyone can actually hear me well right now. Loud and clear, but, yeah, I. Awesome. Awesome. Yeah, man. I mean, that's literally what we're all about. It's just explore art. And, like, the artists that have been on stage right now, I mean, I. It's like a clear path to me, in my. In my mind, anyway. Like, everything I see, everyone's flocking towards Bitcoin. And myself personally, I think Bitcoin's like the motherland for art. It's like the.

The Unique Qualities of the Aon's Team

The best canvas that you can have when it comes to digital artworks, right? So that's the main reason we are on Bitcoin, right? And then you see, like, there's so many artists out here doing so much. Like, just from the people that have spoken today. I mean, you see it all across your timeline. Like, people are doing amazing things with art and digital works, blockchain narratives, everything just continuously expanding and growing further and further. What art actually is on-chain, and I love to see it, right? It's amazing. But what. What happens is all these people, they start to get into their own lanes, right? There's. There's clicks here and there, and rightfully so. I mean, that's kind of how life is. You know, everyone splits off in their own lanes. But we're here to kind of help connect artists and connect those people that maybe you see one or two artists that they don't really have a following but they're just starting an art.

The Purpose of Aon

They're amazing and they're trying to find. Find the people to get behind them. We want them to be able to come to Aons and, like, grow from there, right? And the same goes for people trying to create collections, people with an amazing idea or amazing community, and want an artist to help fulfill that. I mean, the hope is that they can come to Aons and, like, just fit in, find exactly who they want to vibe with, right. So just all around, it's just, it's explore art, and that's kind of the narrative with us. There are, to my awareness, a growing number of art houses on Bitcoin. I know Counterfeit Culture. There's Gamma Magic Eden makes, you know, so many amazing collections available. What do you think sets what differentiates Aon from some of the other art houses? What's your approach?

Differentiation of Aon from Other Art Houses

So the team in Aons is, well, we're a pretty large team of eight or nine people, but the founding team, it's myself and three others. Each of us kind of hit at our own points and expertise. But with us specifically, like, myself, I came up on Solana. I'm like, from Djen culture through and through, right. And I think you see a lot of times in a lot of these fine art houses, which is kind of how fine art is there. It's like a clear divide, right, from that DJing culture that we see here in crypto to the fine art system and what that is. So we kind of try to bring that DJ nature a little bit and try to merge the two together, if that makes sense.

On Art Houses and Their Role

Absolutely. Yes. There is definitely an audience and the space for that. Steven, there's just something that adds that, too. And, like, I'm not mean to, like, be critical of, you know, the actual verbiage here, Sean. So please don't take it as that. But, like, it's also important. And it's something, I think, that a lot of people, as they come into art, they have to begin to wrap their head around. Is that even just, like, what is an art house? Right. Finding context for that is really important, because while you may consider Aons an art house in some senses, the truth is you have these other divisions out there, right? You have Gamma and Magic Eden that are both fantastic secondary marketplaces as well as launchpads.

Understanding the Place of Aon in the Art Landscape

But are they an art house? I would say probably no. Then you look at something like Vivid or Counterfeits, the one that you had brought up. But I immediately think of Singular Art. And there are a handful of others, like Orange Cube and even Bitcoin Art House, that are, like, literally art house in the name, that are trying to provide more of a. Call it almost a service, right. Because they're trying to make up for or assist the artists with certain things that they themselves may not be experts at. Right. But art houses come in to help market, provide an audience, and amplify what is being put out. With Aons, it's slightly different even from both of those in that they're really trying to solve for art discovery, and that is a massive gap.

The Challenge of Art Discovery

Okay. Like, just to make sure that everyone in the building is very clear on that. Art discovery in our space has not been solved. Okay. And it's not solved in the traditional art world. So don't get twisted on that either. Right. With art discovery, it's about trying to centralize or localize a community of like-minded individuals or collectors who are willing to share the art that they're finding, that they find compelling, that evokes emotion within them, and allowing those individuals to share what they're finding with one another. Right. That is a human art discovery system, and that's what Aons is bringing to the table.

The Vision Behind Aon

I think that's really powerful. And I think ultimately it's one of the reasons why I was so bullish on even having the opportunity to advise for Aons. So I'm huge on just that concept underlying. And I think we need a whole lot more of it in the space if we want art to really rise to the top. Well said. I love that differentiation. I also, it's definitely worth exploring. I want to hear you talk about the art for Aons, and if you can give a little bit of origin story on how all of you co-founders came together.

Origins of Aon

Yeah. So all of us have been in the space since 2021 or before then. Myself, I came in 2020. And around that time, this is when you saw NFT starting to really pop off on Solano. And that's where a lot of people came in through the Solana. NFTs just vibes all over the place. It's like what meme coins are today. Back then, and at that time, we all actually bought D Gods at some time or another. And that's how we actually met each other, was through the D Gods and Youth community. And, you know, a year or so later, we find ourselves just clicking. I mean, it's like anyone else in this space. I can, I'm sure anyone agrees with this.

Collaboration and Connection

I mean, you find your people, you know, one or two or three or four that really you work well with, and you just combat the space like the four of you, or however many it is like as a unit. And that's kind of how we operated for the past few years. And we always knew we wanted to create something around art. Loco, another founder. He's a musician and artist. Basil, he's actually a co-founder as well. And, yeah, I mean, whenever the ordinal protocol came to light, it was like just a light bulb went off. Like, oh, my God, this is where we have to be.

The Spark of Aon's Development

Like, it's Bitcoin. It's our on Bitcoin. Like, full stop. That's where we're going. And so it all kind of just started from there. Basil, he's never, he's our artist. He's never released any art in a professional sense of, but he's all. He's drawn, like, his whole life. He's a very artistic person. He he's done, before this, he was doing, like, one-off commission pieces for people, but he didn't really like the commissioned work. He always wanted to, like, venture off and do his own thing. So he came to us with what Aons is.

Basil's Contribution to Aon

I mean, Aons themselves are, like, the purest artistic expression of Basil himself. Like, if you asked him to, like, sit in a room for five days and just draw what embodies yourself, that's like, Aons is what that is. So I love that we're able to, like, it's not like we hired an artist to do this. He's very much involved in what Aons is, and that's one thing I love about this. And you can see in the art clearly, he gets a lot of inspiration from Basquiat and many other artists as well. I mean, but, yeah, man, that's how we met. That's how the art kind of came about.

The Launch of Aons Artwork

And right before the happening, like, were ready to drop. We waited. We wanted to time it right. You know, there was room mania going on, so we didn't want any art-related things drop any other time. But about a month later, we dropped the collection, tried to have great distribution throughout the collection. So normally, with recursive collections like this, you're set to a specific trait order, like 1234. But we put a script in there, made it to where, depending on the trait itself, the layer order actually changes between the Aons.

Unique Features of Aon's Artwork

So just a cool thing right there. And then we also made sure we took a lot of time making sure we had great distribution and tried our best to make all of the pieces actually feel like they're one of ones in their own, right. Yeah. I'm looking at the artwork on the floor right now, and it's really incredible. What are some of your favorite traits, man? Dude, I'm a Bitcoin maxi through and through, so it's got to be the BTC bandana with those laser eyes that blow through the back of the skull.

BTC Bandana and Collectible Highlights

Nice. Yeah, I'm looking at one right now. There's 0.007, if anyone wants to scoop that up. Steven? Yeah, I think there's something really interesting that should be called out about the collection, too, is obviously the style is very neo-expressionist, and you could make the case that it may be even closer within the trans avant-garde movement, which is all very much so. Seventies, eighties, you can look it all up. You can get a little educated on that. But within the collection with a lot of these traits, we talked about it on the Wednesday community space that Aons is now hosting weekly.

Influences in Aon's Artwork

But a lot of these traits, they do come back to different artists and different inspirations. So Basil really was allowing for him to show the majority of himself in this collection by even incorporating his influences, the people who have had an impact on him. But further, this is the part that I find really fascinating. You'll find the artwork itself is very original. It's very different from what you've seen across all the other PFP collections that are out there. And part of that is because Basil himself, by trade, is a surgeon.

Basil's Background and Artistic Detail

Right. His entire job is understanding human form, anatomy, and how all of the different elements of the human body cooperate. And you can tell that those detailed elements are all throughout this collection, even just down to the human structure itself. It's very well done. So I think it's an incredible set of artwork on its own, but it also says that you've got a lot of basil in it. And they're also going to be continuing to promote Basil and his work going forward.

Artist Visibility and Promotion Strategy

Right. Like, that's another very core part of the community that they're building right now, because not a lot of times do you see a PFP collection that's really making an effort to amplify the artist. I mean, you look back at Bored Ape Yacht Club, and they certifiably gave the finger to all seeing Seneca undeservedly. So. So to me, I think that there's a lot of reason why, you know, you should be looking at this collection right now.

Future Plans and Community Outreach

Well, what's next for Aons, the platform? What kind of alpha can you share with us? What's, what's in the near future? Yeah, I mean, so we kicked off something we call the Aons Art and Creativity Festival about a month ago. It's a four-stage event. You can see it on our webpage, links on our twitter. But in stage one, we essentially just ask people to go out, look at the collection, look at everything on chain, find some inspiration, let us know what hits home for you and throw some threads about it.

Festivals and Events Involving Aon

We had a great appearance. People came out and we gave away. I want to say, like three or four Aons for that. What we have coming up now is the stage two event, I want to say about a few weeks out from now, but we're actually collaborating with a lot more brands, a lot more teams in the space. There's a lot of individual projects that I'm sure many of you know that are collaborating with us on this. And we have a massive price pool that we've accumulated.

Engagement and Collaboration for Event Success

I mean, we're talking thousands of USD value for participants for this event. I don't want to leak too much right now, but essentially we're asking people to work in teams. So an artist will work with another individual and there will be a lot of content shipping out and bringing highlight to a lot of emerging artists. The main goal here is to just get the light on as many emerging artists as we can, give them the spotlight, and then in the process, maybe they come out and they win something by the end of it all to end things.

Judging and Community Support

They'll be a pretty stacked judges panel. I'm sure all of you know who they are and very respected people in the space and hopefully they can judge well and, yeah, man, it's just a fun thing all around. It's meant to just bring a light on artists out here, people that there are so many artists I see that are either too shy to throw their art out there because they don't know how other people will perceive it or they just don't have the following. Hopefully, we can help them in that journey and do something more with it.

Inclusivity in Art Community

All right, well said. Well, Bryce, thank you so much for jumping on joining us and allowing us to shine a spotlight on Aons and everything you guys are doing over there. Steven, there's still so much I want to get to, coincidentally, not by design. We've been really talking exclusively about art on Bitcoin so far, but I do want to open it up because one thing I really appreciate about your approach is that you are chain agnostic, community agnostic, and you are very inclusive of wherever an artist is coming from.

Embracing Inclusivity in the Art World

We need to be embracing and supportive. Let me hear your approach about being, how do you put it? Just chain agnostic, I guess. Yeah, I'm happy to expand on it. To me, I think the biggest thing within web three at large, and if we want to see, tokenized art really succeed. It's going to be needing to meet artists where they are and also have the artists meet the collectors where they are. It's a give and take relationship.

The Importance of Artist-Collector Relationships

So in my own practice, right, I put out a weekly digest every single Monday, sometimes late. Thanks a lot to the shape 12 for launching this week. The reason why Monday's Digest went out super late in the evening. But I publish this weekly digest, and I really do try to capture work across all of the major chains very intentionally. And that's because, frankly, if you're an artist, I want to amplify your work. I want you to find the audience that exists out here that resonates with you, right?

Celebrating All Art Across Chains

That that's the underlying reason why I am so insistent on continuing to promote art on all of these chains. And then it brings in a really interesting foil, right? Because that may not necessarily indicate what it is that I'm collecting. And I don't want a single artist out here to think that I am not here to support them, because at large, I'm about the ecosystem. I'm about promoting digital and tokenized art to the masses so that people can connect with art at a much deeper level.

Personal Collecting Perspective

For me, personally, on my collecting side of things, I may not collect all these artists, but I certainly believe that they're worth collecting and that the collectors are out there. So to me, that's a lot of why I'm as chain agnostic as I am in my practice. Well, I imagine that puts you in a tough spot because you are privy to so much great art. So how do you choose what by? So if you, in the onboarding process, if someone comes to you and says, I want to break into the tokenized art space, I just don't know where to start or where to go.

Guidance for New Artists

How do I choose what chain to launch on? How do you guide them through that decision-making process? So while I've not personally dealt with a lot of, like, web two to web three onboarding of artists, I've worked primarily with artists who are already here, who are already very much so native to the ecosystem. I have had the opportunity to speak with a handful, in terms of just creating that bridge for them, of understanding as to why they should consider working in web three.

Challenges Facing Web2 Artists

And at the end of the day, the biggest thing for them has been the permanence of it all. They've really resonated with the fact that, you know, these works can live on in perpetuity. There's so many examples and I mean, like, I can cite recent ones, I can cite ones from last year, but a lot of these web two based artists who have already created wonderful careers for themselves, they've had to face a lot of uncomfortable reality, especially when it comes to disaster and crisis.

Real-Life Impacts on Artists

So I immediately think back to the Lahaina fires, and I think of what just happened across the eastern seaboard of the United States with Hurricane Helene.

Devastation of Artworks in Catastrophes

And there's so many artists who, I guarantee you their works were obliterated. And that, I mean, like, it's heartbreaking to think, like, the amount of emotion that was poured into those works, the fact that they either were in collections or they are on their way to a collection, and all of a sudden it's all for naught because a gallery goes up in flames or a gallery floods out. Like, that's. That's terrible. And I've had the fortune of being able to speak with, you know, one of the galleries that was based out of, during, and even in the aftermath of the Lahaina fires. And he was telling me that, like, he sat on a row of, I think they. He said there were 25 galleries one of these row streets that was like an art corridor in Hawaii. And his gallery was the only one that survived the fire.

Impact of Digital Art in Catastrophic Events

Not. Not because, like, it stayed standing, it burned to the ground, but because all of that artwork was digital and token bound, and it was shown on screens, it was still managed to be preserved. It literally illustrated the permanence element that we are all so big on here in web three. And I think there's no greater indicator as to why you should consider it than that. Right. Ensuring I. The true future and the longevity of your work. It goes farther than anyone could ever imagine, Sean. Well, good case in point right there. One thing that I do consider when it comes to inscribing on bitcoin is obviously the price. And right now, we're in a world where it's like four sats per v byte, so it's as cheap as it's ever going to be.

Challenges for New Artists Entering the Space

But for a lot of artists, and maybe even young artists, who are figuring out how to dip their toe into this space, that could be a hurdle. Like, they may be looking at a $500 or a $1,000 investment, and that if it doesn't do well, if they don't recoup their costs, that might be a barrier for entry for some people. So that's why I would advocate for some people being open to releasing on and experimenting on other chains. You can take the sandbox approach, right? Like maybe releasing on something like stacks or Solana finding a community. It could be a good first step for a lot of artists as they figure out their evolution and their space within this tokenized art ecosystem.

Exploring New Approaches to Art Creation

Yeah, I would completely agree with you there, and I think that you now have a lot of options for that. And I almost consider it like a testnet approach. And I've spoken with a handful of different artists about this and they're doing this actively, especially in the case where they're trying to do a highly technical release, like something that Natasha would have put out with the astronomer's daughter. Highly technical relies heavily on recursion. All of those facets that make it complex, you can literally test out on a viable testnet. I'm not trying to shit on fractal right now, that's not the point of the comment. But a lot of people consider fractal to be a new testnet within the bitcoin ecosystem. I get it's a side chain.

Collecting and Connecting with Art Creators

But that's not to say that's not a great testing ground for stuff like recursive experiments, and there's plenty of examples of it. Im right there with you on that. But I find myself curious because you of course have directed so many great questions today. I want to throw one back to you and its like, what are you looking for within the art ecosystem here? Right. If were looking specifically at bitcoin, what is it that really captures your attention? What is it that you love to focus in on or collect? Oh its so many of whats already been said. For me personally, it is connecting with storytellers, understanding where they're coming from, connecting with people on a personal level.

Personal Connection with Art

I've always been a creative person my whole life. Love music, professional, musician, educator, art advocate, photographer. I mean, so I just love interfacing with art whenever possible because it's profound and like we said, it's timeless. It speaks to the human condition and we need that. And sometimes I'll get so worked up in a work frenzy for a while, right, like heads down working on something and then I'll just find myself having some epiphany while I'm walking outside touching grass and like shocked by how good it feels to be face to face with, you know, what it means to be a human and just like be in the moment and find a flow state.

The Importance of Creative Flow

And art creativity pulls us into those states of mind which I don't think we can get enough of. So that would be my answer. Well, I guess the beauty of it is there are no wrong answers to the question. I just wanted to be able to get a flavor for who is Sean the collector underneath it all. So I appreciate you being willing to share that, but I encourage everybody to explore that same question. Create your collectors thesis. Try to understand yourself better in terms of what art you're drawn to, what stories you're drawn to. And don't ever hesitate to explore art because there's so much incredible work out there that ultimately you should be aware of.

Connecting with Creators and the Art Community

I'm reminded to something that Natasha said earlier, and that is how your relationship with the creator can change because you are a collector, and that can really lead to a profound connection with another human being. And I think that's a. There's the obviously, like, the face value of the art. You know, what you experience when you see it or experience it, but the opportunity to connect with the creator, that's equally important to me. Yeah. What you're hitting out there is really important from the artist side. Right. Creating a relationship with your collectors, understanding them better, forming a long term relationship is invaluable.

The Give and Take of Art Collecting

But I would make the case that it's just as important from the other side. Right. It's also just as much on the collector. It's a give and take, and there's a really beautiful example of it out there. Actually, there are a number of beautiful examples of it. But I immediately go to a buddy of mine who's in the audience right now, and yes, I am going to call him out by name because it makes him a little bit uncomfortable, I'm sure. But it's Bluetoshy. And Bluetosh has a phenomenal collection. Loves artwork, loves getting a chance to connect with these artists.

The Influence of Strong Collectors

And it's to the point that, like, I know he's collected post work, I know he's collected work from vivid. And when you have the ability at that level to connect with those artists, your collectors aren't going to be selling those works. It removes the speculation from it in a way that makes it a feel like, okay, I need to help preserve, but also amplify this artwork at the end of the day. And Blue's done that in a lot of the work that he's done with his own show. Decentral lens. Right. He's gotten the opportunity to feature vivid. He's, you know, had me on to talk about different artworks that I think are, you know, very much so underrated in the ecosystem.

Defining the Role of Community in Art

I think that is really telling, and I hope that more collectors get as engaged as blue is. Right. Taking those extra steps to connect with the artist. And they're phenomenal artists in the mix right now. So, like, if you're in this room and you're wondering, well, like, you know, who do I need to connect with right now? Right? Take a look around this space right now. Like, I will be more than happy to direct you immediately to post book, right? Immediately to Rebecca Rose, immediately to monkey.

Exploration and Engagement in the Art Space

Right. Three phenomenal artists and their own practices. But it goes beyond that. Tap around and find an artist, and I go and have a conversation, try to understand what it is that they're creating and form a relationship. Whether you collect or not, at the very least, you'll be able to connect with people of creative intent, and maybe one day you will collect their work. That's such good advice. And one question I wanted to, one discussion I wanted to have with everyone today is beyond the technique, the technical aspect of creating a piece of art, there's so much more that goes into it, which is what we talked about with the algorithm.

The Intricacies of Generative Art Creation

How do you make a generative art collection? How do you make those decisions? But what you just touched on as well is this element of connecting with your audience and sharing your story. And maybe we can use this. You can use this as an opportunity to tie a bow on this. When it comes to releasing art, I mean, anyone can make art for the intrinsic benefits and joys of it, right? Like, we should all figure out what kind of, like, creative art do we want to make? But when it comes to creating a collection, this is. It's a huge endeavor.

Unique Artistic Endeavors in Creation

So how do all these puzzle pieces fit together when someone is trying to design a new collection? Beautiful thing about that, Sean, is that it's completely unique to the individual. It's as unique as the artwork is, right? You know, you listen to what Natasha said earlier about all of the different elements that went into the astronomer's daughter, right? I would be. I would imagine that if either Daario or Gerard were on stage right now, they would both be able to speak to the fact that underlying the code that goes into every single, I'm going to try Shay Deverae, I think, is the pronunciation that I'm butchering.

Diverse Expressions & Determination in Art

Within each of those collections, there's a ton of intricacy that is pouring into it, and that's entirely on the artist to determine just how intense it can get. But that's why there's different forms, right? That's why there's a place on chain for every expressionist, for every abstract artist, for every minimalist, right? It doesn't like, it's one of those things that, like, this is the medium that anyone can actually use. Right. It just ultimately takes determination and persevering through some of the technical tomfoolery that you ultimately have to do in order to get some art on chain.

Community Support and Opportunities in the Art Space

So that is very open ended for the artists to decide for themselves. Well said. Well, I know that there are so many welcoming communities, people like you. Aeonsheendeze, vivid gamma. I mean, the list goes and counterfeit culture. The list goes on and on. So for anyone new to the space listening, just reach out, be active, ask questions. Stephen, this has been an incredible conversation. I want to ask you if you think that there are any other topics we should touch on. Is there a good final question we should throw out?

Exploring Opportunities Outside One's Own Work

Well, I mean, my easy first and final question is, who's actually on stage right now? Because I have no idea, thanks to. To X's wonderful interface, who is still on stage besides the two of us? Yeah, Natasha's here. Dario aons. So I think the easy layup that I would love for everybody to field as we kind of turn our way towards the rest of our own afternoons or evenings, wherever we are in the world, is what is one thing that you're noticing outside of your own artwork within the ecosystem that you're really excited about right now?

Encouraging Curiosity and Discussion

Right. If the entire goal of this space has been exploration and discovery, why don't you share one of the discoveries that you have or that you've had with the audience and hopefully share it with somebody else who will find that just as interesting as you did. Dario, since you went first, can I throw it to you? And if nothing, let's go to Natasha. Are you available? Are you, or are you in airplane land? And Bryce it is. Take it away, Bryce.

Discovering Artistic Inspiration

So, yeah, I've seen on the timeline lately there's a few artists out there that are actually doing recreations of existing works, and that's actually what inspired us to do a recreation of a work today and post it is because we've seen so much of it. So, yeah, I think it's beautiful being able to take someone else's work, shine a light on that, on themselves, and as an artist, then also putting your own take on that, and seeing what doors and possibilities open from there. Well said.

Technical Challenges in the Art Space

Gerard is back on stage too. Do you want to throw a response to that, Gerard, are you fully on stage yet? Can you hear us blink once? There's also just as much of a chance that, you know, they might have been rugged. Yeah, Gerard. Gerard just messaged me and said we can't hear anything. So give me 1 second, I'll see if we can drop down.

Communication Dilemmas During Discussions

Sure. Yeah, he's coming back. Hey, does it work now? We've got you. We've got you. Okay, perfect. I'm sorry. I did it because I wasn't hearing anyone and then just. I left. I came back. So what's the question? Go ahead, Steven. So the question was, and really quick, would you mind muting your mic? Sorry. We were getting tons of feedback of hearing me twice, and I know people barely want to hear me once, so I figured we might as well get it right the first time.

Conversations About Artistic Discovery

The question was effectively like, because this entire space has been so much about discovery and art exploration. Would love to be able to hear from your perspective, something outside of your own artwork that you've been exploring or seeing more of in the space that you find fascinating. So that we can help people connect more with things that, you know, a ultimately they should be exploring. So we'd love to throw it to you to see what it is that's been fascinating you in the space that you think others should take a look at or explore.

Advocacy for Building in the Art Space

Interesting. That's a great question, actually, because there are not a lot, to be honest, I think that we need a lot more builders in this space and more in the art ecosystem on bitcoin. But I'm a huge fan of. Of some digital artwork that has been inscribed in the perfect way with use of repercussions to generate high quality images. Because I was a little bit afraid at the beginning when ordinal started and saw some people inscribing art of low quality and just saying, yeah, no worries, you can access the high quality file if you hold ordinals.

Quality Standards in Digital Art

But I don't think that's a very elegant way of doing this. So, yeah, I'm a huge fan of, for example, what Ryan Kubman, if I'm not mistaken, his name, Ryan Kubman is doing. I love the way that they are inscribing their art by dividing the piece and then just gathering everything together. And the cool thing is also that they are respecting the, you know, the standard, the parent child standards. So he has a great parent and then a parent for his one one collections, etc.

High Standards in Creative Process

So that's super cool. Yeah, exactly. That's the kind of thing. So I really like this. And there are some other artists that are very unknown, I think, at least in terms of engagement or visibility on Twitter. But I'm a huge fan of the Le Petit Mort collection. Bye. Ex skulu. I think that the technical job for this collection is just great. And I'm actually also a big fan of the name and the concept of the collection itself. So, yeah, that's digital art.

The Journey to Discovering New Artists

You know, right now I'm trying to discover more and more of this kind of artist because I would like to welcome this format one day into vivid, you know, not only inscribe generative art, but once we are well established, trying to onboard some conceptual artists that need a lot of help to inscribe, well, their art, because usually they're like, yeah, I'm just going to compress my image. To the maximum and inscribe that there. Are other solutions and we want to help them on that.

Collaboration in Artistic Endeavors

Great answer. Yeah, well, I think that takes us to the 90 minutes mark, so that was a fantastic question, Sean. I'm not letting you get off the hook that easy, my friend. You have to answer the question as well. Oh, what am I excited for right now? This conversation right here is honestly super exciting to me, and I'm really invigorated. I have the immense pleasure of interviewing a lot of people on this show from, you know, we have like three basic bins, right?

The Multifaceted Nature of Artistic Spaces

So we interview partners, builders in this space, people innovating on bitcoin, artists and communities, and there's something fascinating about each one. I always love learning, but as I mentioned before, being a creative person, an artist, a musician, these kinds of conversations are really exciting to me. So when I do get the chance to hop in on spaces, a lot of them that I find the most fulfilling, you happen to be speaking on as well.

The Value of Sharing Artistic Perspectives

I find that very enriching because I learn about more artists in the space, and every artist has their own unique perspective. I have 17 years of experience as an educator in like k, twelve public schools in Southern California and with La USDA. So enabling anyone to express themselves and share their stories and make the world a more empathetic and beautiful place, that's my vibe, that's my frequency. So, yeah, so conversations like this, it's really important for me.

Navigating the Digital Art World

Something else that comes to mind. With Twitter and Instagram, we have a very visual art. Digital art lends itself to this platform better than something like music. Right? So something that I think about a lot is how do we consume music differently than how do we consume digital art? And obviously, digital art does well right here. But I'm always seeking out good music as well. It doesn't really get as much of a spotlight as the digital art does, but that's also on my radar.

Innovative Approaches to Music in Art

And I gotta shout out a former guest of the show and that is Jim BTC, who is really leading the way with audio null. So inscribing samples as JSON files and then using recursion to loop all these songs as long you know there's no file size limit when you do it his way. And I love seeing the innovation that he does too. That's awesome.

Collaboration and Community in the Art Space

I appreciate you taking a moment to answer the same question that were throwing around the room because frankly, getting the chance to learn even a little bit more about your interests and everything is great to me because I see you as somebody that I want to continue to collaborate with and continue to work amongst as a peer for now and into the future. So appreciate you again, grateful for the opportunity to come on the stage with you today.

Celebrating Artistic Versatility

Had a blast with you in this space and getting the chance to especially feature some of my favorite people within our ecosystem. So to Bryce and Aon's team and to post woke and to Gerard and Dario Lanza, I appreciate you guys coming out and telling a little bit of your story and allowing for leather lounge to be a home to you today. I thought this was a great space.

Reflecting on a Successful Dialogue

It was a lot of fun. And if anybody else is out there is looking for other upcoming releases and are trying to get better educated on whats on the radar, do check out the all eyes on art digest we put out every single Monday. Its pinned to the top right now and that is in this weeks edition, 75 plus different releases from around our ecosystem that are coming out in the next 30 days. So again, Sean, I am grateful to you.

Looking Ahead and Future Collaborations

I thought it was a blast. Im just looking forward to the next one. Thank you so much Steven. Yeah we connected about a month ago. Start thinking about what this show would be and you really help secure a solid collection of artists and platforms. So thank you so much for curating this group of guests. And thank you to postwick Natasha Gerard, vivid Ordinals Gallery, Bryce Aons and Dario loved hearing about your background too.

Final Gratitude and Next Steps

So that was a great conversation. Thanks again everyone. We are posting this in our podcast feed so if you are not already subscribed you can find the leather lounge on your favorite podcasting player. So have a look there. And once again, if you have not done so, please give everyone a follow here up on stage. Post your favorite arc and pieces in the comments. If you're on stage, feel free to pin something else up on stage as well.

Upcoming Events and Farewell

So once again, thank you everyone. Next week we are going to be catching up with Joe from lunar Crush. So that'll be next Thursday at 03:00 p.m. eastern. And tomorrow I'll be joining Kate and Brandon as I do every Friday for good for bitcoin at 02:00 p.m. eastern. So thanks again, everyone. I'll see you next week. Thanks again for joining us in the leather lounge. We record each episode live on X every Thursday at 03:00 p.m. eastern.

Encouraging Engagement with the Community

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