Harris Border Crisis: Border Hawk News & Wid Lyman; Gangs in Colorado

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The Twitter Space Harris Border Crisis: Border Hawk News & Wid Lyman; Gangs in Colorado hosted by CryptoLawyerz. The Harris Border Crisis and gang activities in Colorado were thoroughly discussed by experts Border Hawk News & Wid Lyman, along with former DOJ professionals, emphasizing American national security concerns. The space provided detailed insights without offering legal advice, presenting personal accounts and expert perspectives. Topics ranged from the implications of the crisis to strategies to address gang activities. Overall, the space maintained a focus on current issues, border security, and the American context.

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Questions

Q: What is the primary focus of the discussion by Border Hawk News & Wid Lyman?
A: The primary focus is on the Harris Border Crisis and gang activities in Colorado, with insights from former DOJ professionals.

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A: No legal advice is provided; the discussion is based on personal accounts and expert perspectives.

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A: The emphasize is on American issues and national security concerns within the context of the topics discussed.

Q: What are some key takeaways from the discussions on the Harris Border Crisis?
A: Insights on the crisis implications, security challenges, and potential solutions are highlighted.

Q: Who are the experts contributing to the space insights?
A: Border Hawk News & Wid Lyman, along with former DOJ professionals, are contributing their expertise to the discussions.

Q: How are gang activities in Colorado addressed during the space?
A: The space delves into the dynamics, impact, and potential strategies to address gang activities in Colorado.

Q: Is the space focused on current or historical issues?
A: The space appears to focus on current issues surrounding the Harris Border Crisis and gang activities in Colorado.

Q: What is the tone of the space content regarding legal matters?
A: The space maintains a disclaimer of no legal advice and shares personal accounts and professional insights without official recommendations.

Q: What is the overall thematic focus of the space discussion?
A: The thematic focus revolves around national security concerns, American issues, and expert perspectives on border security and related topics.

Q: Are there any international perspectives discussed in the space?
A: The space primarily emphasizes American issues and national security concerns without significant international perspectives.

Highlights

Time: 12:35:40
Insights on the Harris Border Crisis Detailed discussion on the implications and challenges of the Harris Border Crisis.

Time: 13:15:22
Gang Activities in Colorado Analysis Exploration of gang activities in Colorado, their impact, and potential solutions.

Time: 14:05:17
Former DOJ Perspectives Expert insights from former DOJ professionals on border security and legal aspects.

Key Takeaways

• Insights on the Harris Border Crisis and its implications.
• Discussion on gang activities in Colorado and related issues.
• Former DOJ perspectives on border security and legal aspects.
• No legal advice provided, personal accounts shared.
• Focus on American issues and national security concerns.

Behind the Mic

Introduction and Roll Call

All right, do we have Dan and Wood? Dan is here. Dan is here. Wid is here. Yes. Bueller. Bueller. Bueller. Bueller on the border. Bueller on the border. So. So what's going on, guys? Just hanging, man. How you doing? We are. We're loving life. We are. We're looking at the southern border, and we're looking at these Venezuelan gangs coming in. What's going. What's with these Venezuelan gangs, guys? It seems like the chickens are coming home to roost at this point. Oh, my God. So they're in. So they're in Colorado, and they've taken over some buildings, and then apparently they may want to move to Chicago, which, to be quite honest, I'm kind of looking forward to it. A bunch of gang members were on TikTok, and, you know, they had, you know, me and Mark have had this discussion. He's not in here yet, but we had this discussion is, you know, are the bad hombres, you know, can they take out.

Gang Activity and Local Implications

Chicago is a pretty. A pretty gang-infested area. You know, you got the Bloods, the Crips, the, you know, the Black Panthers, the Gangster Disciples. That's just not a place you can walk into and take over some buildings if it's on their turf. I think we are looking at a clash of civilizations here on American soil, and that's really what's unfolding. I think the Venezuelan presence in Chicago now is indisputable, and I would imagine that the gang activity there is certainly on the rise. We had conflicting reports about what happened a couple nights ago at an apartment complex there. Supposedly, dozens of Venezuelan gang members stormed an apartment complex, riding motorcycles and carrying rifles. And then the police actually took a long time to respond, apparently, and by the time they got there, supposedly there was no sign of them. That doesn't mean it didn't happen. It also doesn't mean it did happen, because the reporting, in some ways, on the 911 call was almost too specific.

Response Time and Community Safety

32, like, someone would have to be really paying close attention. So either they were very precise about what they reported, or there was a bit of hype surrounding it. But to be honest, would anyone be surprised if that's exactly what happened? Not me. Right. Yeah, it's a, you know, it's a dangerous area to certain aspects. Right? I mean, you have. You have the suburban areas, you know, because, again, I had this conversation with Mark, and when you go to the suburban rich, you know, affluent, white, black, whatever areas, police are going to respond because, you know, those people complain, and the police respond if they go downtown, where some of these gangs since, like, the 1960s and seventies have been battling for turf, you know, you're going to have a serious problem downtown. And to be quite honest, I'm surprised the cops even go.

History and Local Policeman's Role

You know, I haven't been to Chicago in years, but I would bet that there are still areas downtown they don't go. Yeah, I have no idea. But there are certain areas. I mean, I remember watching a documentary on Netflix off the finder for you guys, but essentially they had these, this was, I think, back in the eighties, but they had, like, you know, these gangs had the snipers on the towers and, like, on the top of the buildings, and there was a killing zone, and nobody crossed these areas. And, you know, I have no idea how it is now. I know Mark was there, not too recently for the DNC. And, you know, of course he's having his wine, his Trump cigar. He's hanging out on Trump Tower. He's having a great time. Gee, you're up here right now. Gee, what did you think about that, Mark? Not in on our dime, going out there having the good stuff, G. He has gotten the last t-shirt and contribution out of me. I tell you that now. I don't see a muscle.

Current Situation and Community Responses

Hey, wig, you guys, you were at Trump Tower, you know, having a nice cocktail, drinking a cigar, and just, you know, because you're out there putting out some great information. I just want to know if you're living the life, too. No, no ivory tower for us here, you know, that's just kind of a Mark thing. He's, he's living the good life for sure. Hey, we're known to drink a cigar from time to time. Right, right. I was going to say, gee, you say, drink a cigar. And I was like, that's interesting. That is, it really has been for me. But, no, I know. So it's a border thing. If you go to the border, you often drink a cigar, right? So what? So what is, what's the border looking like? Harris has taken over, obviously. You know, what, 60 what, two or 63 days until the election. You know, she was the border czar. You guys have been down there. Has anything changed?

Changes in Border Management

You know, have they at least put more people, has anything stopped? Have they put up barricades or people, has anything changed to make her look competent before the election? There's a lot changing, and that has changed since the beginning of the year, and we've touched on this before, and I think it's indisputable that the traffic at the southern border is down. The illegal border surges that we saw heading into the close of 2023 have definitely subsided. And there's a variety of reasons for that. One that we think definitely occurred in the late stage of 2023 was an agreement struck between the Biden Harris regime and the AMLO regime down there whereby the Mexican government definitely seemed to have crackdowns, at least in the states that they controlled, in the number of illegal crossings. Because you saw absolute chaos, for instance, in Eagle Pass up into the final days of 2023. And the new year came and it was night and day.

Data Trends and Administration Claims

Those mass crossings, in some cases well above 2000. Some estimates on certain days placed at close to 10,000. We know for sure four to 5000. However, on a daily basis for the last couple of months of 2023, that number was hovering around 2000 per day. And based on our research going into the shelters there in Piedras Negras, those numbers were confirmed that they were just totally overwhelmed at the shelters and they were basically turning and burning 1000 people every 12 hours, in some cases sending them down to the border with their GPS coordinates at the river and then sending them across en masse. But we have not seen a lot of that, definitely not in the Texas region since the beginning of the year, with a few exceptions. We did see that incredible border riot in March and we saw some other incidents in the El Paso area. We, of course, saw a massive uptick towards the west coast in California, Arizona.

Shifting Patterns and State Responses

And a lot of that was driven by the fact that the flows were shifting in that direction. And those states, as we've explained in the past, are controlled primarily by the cartels. And they're not under those same agreements that were struck with the American administration to control the flow. So flows are being rerouted. And California, the San Diego area, has been absolutely inundated. The last time I saw numbers out of the San Diego area. Some local officials there are very good about publishing these numbers based on their best estimates. And well over 150,000 street releases had taken place in fiscal year 2024, just in the San Diego sector alone. So we've seen total chaos in California, although I will say lately we're not seeing quite as many reports of that.

Regulatory Changes and Border Policies

So I do think that in some ways, this illegal surge at the border has been cleaned up, but that is being replaced by, quote, unquote, legalized methods for otherwise illegal aliens to cross over the border. And we actually just reported on this over the weekend. We were one of the first to break this story, and now everybody's talking about it and I'll bring it to your attention. I'm just pulling this up now, and I will tell all of our listeners here. We just launched a brand new Border Hawk, news that you can check out, vastly improved, vastly more well organized. All of our exclusive content is being hosted there as well. And we're putting out everything we do. We do curation. We are bringing all of immigration news from every source onto our website, as we've always done, but it's much better organized now.

Asylum Process Changes and Applications

And you can read the source material depending on where it comes from, and you can also read our reporting. And I always bring all of my reporting at Infowars over to Border Hawk as well. And so that's all well sourced as well. But I will point everyone to this report. I'm just pulling it up right here that I did over the weekend. We found out. Okay, so CBP One app is a method whereby prospective asylum seekers, we'll put quotes around that can apply for asylum hearings at any point along the southern border where they're held. I believe there's eight different crossings where CPP One is screening CBP One applicants. And so until very recently, if you weren't from Mexico and you were a prospective asylum seeker, the only places you could access the CBP One app were from central Mexico to northern Mexico.

Geographic Changes in Asylum Applications

So the app was not available or the appointments could not be made from southern Mexico. So what we're seeing was large numbers of global migrants who made their way into Mexico would then be pushing north, typically to Mexico City or further north, in order to be able to download the apply for their application, I'm sorry, apply for their appointment. And apparently, I think the number is 1450. Appointments are conducted on any given day. And so they weren't able to do that in southern Mexico. Something just changed. About ten days or so ago, the Biden Harris regime announced that certain southern Mexican states, all that border Guatemala, essentially, are now open to the CBP One application process.

New Transportation Policies

And that's very new. And a few days after that, approximately one week. And that just happened over this weekend, the Mexican government announced that anyone with a valid CBP One appointment in southern Mexico could then request or apply for a ride, essentially, to the US border. So a lot of these people who would otherwise travel, maybe by caravan or whatever, you know, however you call those large groups coming up north or other methods or hopping trains or whatever it is that they're. That they have done in the past, they can now actually request a ride from the Mexican government. And the Mexican government has begun busing these people from the south of Mexico to the US-Mexico border. And these buses are accompanied with police or military escort, and they're also fed along the way.

Logistics of Asylum Seeker Transportation

I don't know what the lodging situation is, although that sounds like a really long ride to not have lodging. Maybe they just sleep in the bus on the way. And so Mexico is now delivering CBP One applicants directly to our border. And that is a new development that just unfolded. Over the weekend, the Mexican government announced that the Institute of Migration to Mexico. So it's just another method by which the administration is whitewashing the invasion. And one other of note is the CHNV parole program, which we've discussed in the past, whereby 30,000 otherwise inadmissible citizens of Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela, and what am I missing here? One more country, ch. Oh, Haiti, can fly into the United States, 30,000 per month. And we've talked about that.

Past and Present Immigration Programs

A couple months ago, that program was suspended by DHS due to an investigation that found, of course, rampant fraud and abuse of that program. And so they suspended that program very briefly. Everyone was cheering when it was suspended and saying, see, we told you so. After half a million people entered the country just from these four countries alone via the program. Well, they just restarted that program as well. And so those flights have begun. And I do want to clarify, this gets reported inaccurately. Often, these people are not necessarily hopping American charter planes into the US. They're not charter planes arriving full of illegals, although that's also happening.

Legal Entry Procedures

But these people are just given clearance to fly into us airports with their CBP One or otherwise approved parole documentation. And when they arrive in the US, then they can actually also apply for a two-year work visa to stay in the country for up to two years. And of course, from there, many of these people will just end up staying on longer or will apply for other programs. One example would be temporary protected status. We just did a story today that broke. Yet another Haitian otherwise illegal alien who came in via the CHNV program has been arrested for molesting a ten-year-old boy in the Boston area. He is the second on record Haitian male that has flown in via this program just in the last few months to be arrested for sexually assaulting or raping an underage victim in the Boston area.

Statistics and Legal Implications

And so you can imagine just who's coming in through this program. Well over 200,000 Haitians, over 100,000 Venezuelans, massive number of Cubans and Nicaraguans. And this program has restarted at the tune of 30,000 per month. So I'm giving you these examples to show why, for instance, the southwest border may not be as chaotic as it was because these flows are being legalized at this point. They're calling this new program of busing migrants through Mexico an emerging safe mobility corridor. Sounds like globalist speak to me. And they're going to keep finding different ways to bring these people in that are a little less apparent to the naked eye and our reporting at the border. Thanks, Dan.

Shifts in Numbers and Administration Efforts

So, have the numbers, I think you talked about the numbers when you started. Have they actually gone down or with the help of the Mexican government? The numbers are kind of steady, but it's more organized now. The numbers on record absolutely are down. So our worst month in the year of 2024 would have been, sorry, in the fiscal year of 2024 would have been 301,000 in December. And that was at right as this new deal was going into effect. And then you see, in January, the encounters on the southwest border dropped to 176,000. And of course, the administration was crowing about that. That's still horrible. I mean, it's just an awful number, but it is substantially better than 300,000.

Trends in Migration Numbers

And in February and March, it ticked up again, 189, 190 in those months. But in July were recorded at 104. So you can see a huge drop off. And these are the quantifiable numbers that the administration can use to congratulate themselves and pat themselves. Right. And I mean, you would think at least in these months that Kamala would, you know, at least try to shut it down to. I guess my question is, I mean, I guess it's a given to take, right? If you do it, or I guess it's also a catch 22. If you do it, then everyone can say, well, why haven't you done it then? On the flip side, if they, you know, again, it's kind of late now with, you know, about 62 days to the election, but if they also do it, the Democrats can pat themselves on the back.

Challenges Ahead in Policy Implementation

Are we just, I mean, you guys been down there, Dan, and you've been down there. Is it, is it just, are we just incapable of actually shutting this thing down or if we wanted to, we could. Oh, it could be shut down tomorrow. We saw what happened with the restriction of movement during the COVID lockdowns, how effectively our governments prevented people even from leaving their homes, from crossing from one neighborhood to another. So we see that when the government puts their mind to it, they can severely limit the movement of people from town to town even. But certainly over international borders. And we saw a global plunge in illegal migration in Europe, across the world.

Comparative Analysis of Migration Trends

And that was in effect for months. And what were reporting at Infowars at the time, when I was the bureau chief at Infowars Europe, we said, look, as soon as these lockdowns are lifted, the numbers are going to surge again. And they certainly have. They have in Europe and they also have in the United States. And I think the Trump administration, in some ways definitely benefited from that, at least on paper, because you had some months where the numbers were down to even in the 30 thousands. And I'm not necessarily so sure it would have been that good if not for these lockdowns because, of course, Mexico was preventing people from moving around and Central America was preventing people from moving around. And then there was, of course, certain people with the general fear that if they were out and about, you know, moving between countries, they could get sick.

Historical Context and Challenges

So, I mean, all of that worked into the benefit of the Trump administration that they could say, hey, look, we've gotten a hold on this because prior to Covid, the numbers, even in the Trump era, were bad. And there's a lot of speculation as to why that was the case, why that was happening during Trump's administration, but they weren't looking good. Those numbers were not good. There was a huge surge, I believe it was in the second year of the Trump administration. And then we had Covid shortly afterwards. And that really, you know, it worked well for being able to say, hey, we've really cracked down on what's going on at the border. And, of course, Title 42 was a great policy to implement. We shouldn't need Title 42 to keep people out of the country. We should be able to simply keep them out of the country.

Policy Implementation Challenges

But, hey, whatever tools were at his disposal, he used them, and it worked well. So, no, to answer your question, if we want to crack down, we want to close the border, we certainly can. Got you. And then going back to this very recent Mexico busing people to the border, I mean, is it, I mean, I'm guessing that, but I don't know, is it truly asylum seekers or is it really just anyone who says the magic words gets a free write up? I'm sure that there are a few valid asylum seekers, but generally speaking, we're looking at the same crowds of people. They're just using different ways to get in.

Migration Tactics and Public Perception

And I'll give you an example of when we're just in Piedras Negras in March, talking to prospective migrants coming into the US. And, you know, I want to be clear. We use this term interchangeably and specifically when we're outside of US borders. Illegal alien is kind of very specific to American law and if I'm not mistaken, probably British law as well. So being in Mexico and saying illegal alien doesn't carry the same weight. And so we use the term migrant when it just applies to someone. We don't know what their status is. In Mexico, for instance, we don't know if they've received papers. And those waters are becoming more muddy than ever because a lot of these people that are coming into the US who should be termed illegal or should never have gotten in the first place are being paroled into the country.

Legal Definitions and Current Trends

They are being allowed in through these processes. So in some ways they are here legally because of course the regime is monkeying with the law. And so in some cases, calling them illegals isn't necessarily accurate. And that's where we start getting into really weird territory here. So I apologize if I use migrant and some people get offended by it, but frankly, that's the only applicable term in some cases. So in Piedras, we talked to a few migrants at the shelter there that were preparing to enter the US. And these are people who otherwise would have just stormed in with the groups that were entering the US by the thousands on any given day, as I mentioned.

Migration Process Adjustments

But because of the crackdown and because of a change in policy and because Texas actually doing a better job at the border, what they were doing was they were traveling to this shelter at the border and then applying for CBP One and waiting for their appointment to be scheduled. And then they were getting basically escorted over to the international bridge to be then walked into the United States by a CBP officer. And so these are the people, as I'm saying, that would otherwise have probably just crossed illegally. Just taking an easier pathway that actually ensures that they end up in the US for quite some time. Because in many cases, these people are given court dates anywhere from five to ten years in the future.

Legal Structures and Processes

And at that point, in some ways they've been legalized into the US because the federal government, the Department of Justice, has said, you can stay here until your appointment. So we start saying, are they here illegally or not? You know, that's what's where it starts getting weird. Right? Wow, lots of. Lots of stuff. Before I go to wed. Mark, you there? Yeah, how do you do? So obviously we're talking the border tonight with. With Dan and wid. You know, just to backtrack a little bit. how was the taping at the Sean Hannity show, Mark? Yeah, it was pretty cool to be a part of it. Well, a part of it. I watched it. I wasn't a part of it.

Broadcast Experiences

Right. It was interesting because other than seeing, you know, Trump, you know, court appearances going in and out or rallies or like, you know, when were at Mara Largo, you know, like seeing him at a live recording, it, well, it was being recorded, right. So, but it was live. He was there. It was, it was interesting, right? He was live, right? I was live. Hannity was live. His show was not. Okay. It was interesting. A lot different, a lot different than a rally. So what's, what is on your mind for the border tonight, Mark? We got the guys. We're about to go to wid. Mexico's busted them up. Now. What's on your mind?

Concerns About the Border Situation

Yeah, I'm just wondering trends, you know, what's, what are some major differences from the last time, you know, we talked? Because I do recall, you know, there was challenges with the National Guard being overrun, you know, so it was like, there was a lot of physical force used and, you know, you could see it all happening. And then what's happening now, you know, especially, you know, with, you know, the things that the borders are, you know, Kamala Harris, you know, when she says, you know, there's some kind of comment about a wall or a wall structure or anything like that. So I'm just looking for what has changed in the last six months. Mark. She is, she is pro wall, apparently.

Changes in Policy and Legislation

And before we go to wit, I'm going to go to Brick Suit. We just need a bunch of Brick Suits, children to get in line over there at the wall. Rick Suit yeah, he, Mark, I just want to say, remember that what's happened the last three months is a thing called summer. And it's, you know, it's kind of hot. And we're just going to get less. We're going to get fewer people in general crossing illegally, all other factors being equal, obviously there are years in which there can be, you know, reason for an influx, but the last couple months, you know, you should expect something to be a little bit less.

Seasonal Effects on Migration Patterns

And I just kind of bumped in here in the end. I think somebody was talking about the CBP One app, and I'm sure that they mentioned that's currently, I think, 1450 people per day is the current ceiling on that bumped up from its previous iteration of 1000 so really it's, you know, that's an app program that with the flick of a switch they could bump it to 2000 or 2500 or 3000 or whatever they want to make it at. That's just, it's like an arbitrary limit they set. It doesn't appear in illegal encounters or crossings and it's just kind of a slow trickle that's, you know, filling into the United States.

Current Legislation and Future Implications

As said, they are legally arriving and they don't always arrive at the border. They can fly into any port of entry in the interior of the United States. They can fly into any international airport in the United States where there is a customs facility that can receive their, their entry. So you don't always see them at the airports in San Diego and Phoenix or, you know, those airports where typically you see people who cross by foot who are being shuttled deeper into the United States. These people are able via CBP One to fly anywhere they want into America from the beginning.

Overall Assessment of Migration Dynamics

Thanks, Brick. You were down at the border for a long time and I'm currently looking on my phone and I see the CBP One app here and it says, welcome to CB One, a single portal to multiple CBP services to streamline your experience. And it asked me to sign in and it asked me, who am I? Am I a traveler, a broker, an aircraft operator, a bus operator, a seaplane pilot? And the list goes on and on. And it wants me to report my arrival where I'm going, apply for an I-ninety-four in advance, get my recent I-94, view my compliance. So we'll see here.

Status of CBP App and Its Impact

Maybe this is a trucking thing. I have no idea. But wid tell us last that we spoke, you were down at the border. Think you took, I think you took a hiatus away there for a little bit. You've done there for a while. What have you seen? What are the current trends? How is Kamala Harris doing her job? It was definitely a long trip. We'll be back there shortly, though, for sure. Yeah, all those seaplane mechanic and pilots are definitely just pouring in for sure. I've seen a couple people fill out the app before and it is kind of self-explanatory. You just check a bunch of boxes and then you show up and then present your information.

Concerns About Legal Processes

So it really is, as Dan always talks about, a whitewashing of the whole process. And then the prior gentleman that was talking as well. Yeah, they could just change that number. They can make it 5000 a day, 6000 a day. And then these illegal crossings, these encounters that we see would just fall off a cliff, right? People would just be pouring in illegally. And that's why it's important to kind of get the full story, too. And you mentioned the numbers are kind of down in some ways. And now that the Mexican government is fearing people from the south.

Impact of Policy Changes on Migration

So what's interesting about that is obviously the parts that Dan mentioned. But also during Title 42, when we had this sort of crackdown and people being deported very quickly under that rule, what was happening was a lot of those people would just go back down to the southern part of Mexico and restart the whole process. One of the great border correspondents, Aden Cabello, has been down there. He has covered this. He has talked about this for years. And he calls these asylum crackdowns or these ways of kind of slowing down the crossings. They're just a revolving door. They just go down and they cross back in.

Revolving Door Migration Dynamics

They go down and they cross back in. And we covered a story about a young man in New Mexico that had crossed over 90 times. He had been deported and sent back. So this is a repeating process. So even if some of these numbers are down, if people are heading south, Mexico is now going to take them directly to the border to cross over. So you can see the same people crossing multiple times. I mean, five, six, seven time attempts are not uncommon whatsoever. So again, a slight lull in what's happening. And to your point, and I think Mark talked about this too, is some of the verbiage coming out of the Harris camp right now, is that they're going to continue to ensure sufficient resources, support our laws, prioritize attention, and, you know, that is a bit of a change from some of the things that she had said before.

Political Strategies and Expectations

So it sounds like they're shifting their tone a little bit. And that certainly points to, you know, things are slowing down. So they can kind of say that. But, you know, we're not really seeing a large change. We're seeing just people being moved around and called something else. Interesting wood. So let me go to you. I'm sorry, go to you. And did Dan fall out? Yeah, I think you did. So as we approach the next 60 days, do you see it kind of, you know, just being kind of status quo down there or do you see anything changing in the next 60 days? I mean, to be quite honest, we don't even know where Kamala stands on a lot of these issues.

Local Investigations and Responses

She had, what, a twelve-minute taped and edited press conference. She spoke at some point about securing the border. And, you know, just saying, just a, Blake, just blatant lies on tv like the border is secure. Right? The border is secure. Then in the Dana Bash interview, she goes on to say that her core values haven't changed. Well, it's always seemed like, at least with this administration, that the border is going to be more open and at some point, you know, they're looking, I think, to get more voters on their ticket. I, you know, I could be wrong. I don't know.

Anticipating Political Shifts

Is anything going to change in the next 60 days or is Trump just going to hammer her on? You know, listen, you know, this administration has kept the border wide open. Gangs have taken over cities. I guess I should say foreign gangs have now taken over cities. We have a problem wherever we're having an uptick in crime with illegal immigration. I mean, am I a fool to think that the next 60 days anything's going to change? This is speculative and I think it sounds like crypto. You should be talking to the Trump campaign a little bit. There's some good points and some stuff to bring up at the next debate.

Debate Strategies and Future Considerations

I mean, he should obviously hammer her on the numbers and what's been going on the last three and a half years and all of the interior issues that are now coming out despite a lot of attempts to hide those stories. You know, it would all be speculation. Dan, I actually talked about this yesterday a little bit. You know, what's the next little bit going to look like? If there's a huge rush, it would make the current admin slash the Harris camp look a little bad. But what we've seen and we've seen indications of this is a lot of these people watch the news. They, they watch the social medias. They're on TikTok, they're on Instagram.

Potential For Increased Migration

And if there's a good chance that Trump is going to take over and perhaps shut the border and perhaps start this deportation process, they might make a run. They might try to get in quickly before all this happens, certainly before February if the administration were to change. But I don't know. I mean, it's total speculation. I think the part that really jumps out at me is I'm looking at July right now. July numbers for the southwest border were 104,000. And that's the smallest number that I see in the last, you know, few months.

Ongoing Migration Trends

But that is still an unbelievably large number. So that, I mean, to me, yeah, things are a little slower and maybe they won't spike like they did in December, but 100,000 people crossing in the southwest border, you know, in a month is just completely unacceptable. Yeah. I mean, it seems. And, you know, this is for you, Wood and Dan. And then I'll go over to Brick. It seems as if, you know, I'm old enough to remember elections in the past where we had a winner that night. So I don't know if that's going to happen this year or not. But hypothetically, if Trump wins, November 5 6th, seven, whatever.

Election Implications and Future Projections

Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. I think there could be a mass run at the border because, Mark, I'll ask you, when is it January 6 or January 20 or 21st, when they actually swear him in? Is it January 2020? Okay. Yeah. So, yeah, so I could see November or even if it's close, November, December, January. You have, you know, two and a half months where Biden Harris will still be in control. But, you know, not to get off topic tonight, I mean, but there's a lot of stuff that could happen. November with the election, with election integrity, January with Jamie Raskin in Congress saying they're not going to certify the election or they're not going to have a peaceful transition of power over to Trump.

Political Tensions Ahead

I mean, that's a whole nother thing. But, you know, I agree with. I could definitely see a mass run on the border in November and December. Mark, go ahead, man. Yeah, it's just what you're saying reminded me because I was literally just there tonight. President Trump, he made in his speech, when he starts talking about the border and everything. First thing he said is we have to drop the political correctness called. Like we say it, the crowd went wild. And then he said, and, you know, we've heard this before, but he was very serious about it tonight. He said, and he will begin the largest deportation in world history, you know, immediately.

Public Support for Immigration Policies

And the crowd was completely behind it. They went nuts. So, you know, there's a segment of the populace that is. And like I said, I sat amongst them and I just, I talked to them. The crowd. And they made no mistake about it. They want mass deportation. So, Mark, quick question on that. And maybe Wood can help and Paul can help and anyone can help, but with the amount of people that have come in, the amount of people we don't know who have come in, the amount of got aways, where the fuck are we finding these people? I mean, some of these people have been in here 1, 2, 3, 4 years. Where are we going? Let's just talk hypothetical.

Finding and Addressing Undocumented Residents

Trump gets in, we're going to do a mass deportation. The numbers are astronomical. How are we finding these people? I mean, obviously, once we find them, we can deport them, but how do we find them? One of the ways we can do it is we can just start with, like, a soft deportation. They'll start cutting all the benefits that we're giving them, stop, you know, stop funding their stay here in our country. And some of them will self-deport. Some of them will leave if they're no longer getting assistance. And I'm not saying, obviously, I'm not saying deny them any type of critical health care. All right, so let's get on that.

Policy Changes Impacting Undocumented Immigrants

This is not like no benefits. No, you can't come in the hospital, your arms broken, you're dying, we're not going to treat you. You know, I'm not saying that, but if we with. If we then, you know, eliminate the benefits that they are now enjoying, then some of them may self-deport. And then if what we need to do after that is really just crack down on detainers and local law enforcement having to turn people over to ICE as they encounter them, okay? As they encounter them, and then those people get deported. So we don't need to necessarily have to have, like, roving gangs of ICE agents, you know, going through the Home Depot parking lots, although that would be a good place to start.

Operational Strategies in Immigration Enforcement

From my observational experience, you know, that we don't necessarily have to do that to get deportation numbers up there way above what they are now. You know, I think with the amount, with the massive amount that are here and got here and still coming here, crypto, I don't think that it would be very hard to sort of fill the planes like right off the rip, right. Like Brooke said, you know, and the president mentioned it today, he said it is going, the amount that are here, the amount that have come are going to kill Social Security, it's going to kill Medicare, Medicaid, you know, all the social programs that we do already have, he said that they're a threat to it completely.

Challenges to Social Services

But I just think with the volume that we have, and President Trump makes mention of this all the time, although I didn't hear it tonight, is, you know, essentially cross swearing your local law enforcement, which is not hard. Okay? And you cross swear them and you give them limited authority to detain people who are breaking, you know, specific federal laws. It happens all the time. And I just don't think filling those aircraft would be very hard, especially when there's so many. Yeah, that's a good point. Let me go back to wid because I have wit and Dan for another 20 minutes and then we can, of course, always continue on.

Local Law Enforcement and Federal Coordination

But wid, when you were down in Texas, and I know that you're in Texas, I'm not sure if you were in Arizona. And as much as I hate Arizona, I truly do. For someone who's only flown over it, too, I absolutely hate Arizona. What are your thoughts on that? Is, I mean, are the locals there? Are there enough? Are they good enough if we cross where locals is? And once you're done with, I'll go to Paul because he's done this. Are locals already involved or are they not involved? What did you see when you were down at the border? Yeah, so that's a really good question, actually.

Public Sentiment and Local Perspectives

Where, where are these people? And, you know, say, we say the new administration began this process. So I can tell you that we know where a lot of these people are. So if we know, then the federal government certainly knows. You start, I think, with a lot of these NGOs, these shelters, these churches that are housing a lot of these people. I mean, you can drive by a lot of these facilities in Tucson, Nogales, Phoenix, El Paso, and there's hundreds of these people either walking around, sitting around, laying around. I mean, you could certainly start there. And if we know that, then they certainly know that.

Community Shelters and Government Awareness

And, you know, throughout the interior there are lots and lots of these places. There's actually a story coming out of Boston as of the 28th. It was talking about how one of the shelters there had to close because they ran out of money and all the migrants are sleeping in this bus station now. So, I mean, these people are everywhere. And we saw reports of that at Chicago. Savannah Hernandez did a good job of that. I mean, you just go anywhere, any major city, there are lots and lots of these people. Now. Aurora obviously getting a lot of attention.

Impacts of Immigration Policies on Local Communities

So the situations though, along the border towns, I mean, they're everywhere. All the NGOs, they're walking around, they're living on the street, they're street released, as Dan pointed out, in the San Diego area. I mean, these people are everywhere at this point. So there's no doubt that if we know where they are, then the federal government certainly knows where they are. And I do want to point out one thing, and this kind of goes off with Mark was talking about when President Trump talks about mass deportations, it is a huge operation. If they do any, if they did 200 people. If they did 1000 people, it would be a huge operation.

Operational Challenges in Mass Deportation

And I think some of the optics would be a little bit hard to view for the average person. So I think that's something to think about going forwards as well. But definitely if we know where they are, they know where they are for sure. Yeah, because, I mean, you make a good point. Wait. I mean, just hypothetically speaking, if there were churches or NGOs and the next thing you know is you have search warrants to go into buildings. You know, I'm just thinking of the optics where you have, you know, Gestapo looking, you know, tack up guys going in to get people.

Legal and Ethical Implications

I mean, am I envisioning this wrong? Because that, you know, that looks like something that would be bad. I mean, that's one thought, right? I mean, I don't know if. If some of your audience may know about the young man. Was it Miami that he was taken out? Was it Adrian Gonzalez? Am I getting that name wrong? Yeah. You guys remember that? You remember that photo? How old is he now? Like 50? Oh, he's probably. Yeah, he's, you know, but, like, remember that photo? Is it Alien where the, like, ballistic trooper is like, breaking open the cupboard and, like, pulling him out and he's crying?

Historical Precedents in Enforcement Practices

I mean, that was one little kid, right? I mean. Go ahead. Go ahead. Mark, I'm sorry I keep cutting you off there. Yeah. I don't know. FBI or Borg, whoever. Yeah, Mark, there was a whole. It was born tack baby, I guess. Oh, I know the guys who are on that team. That's why I'm telling you. It was born. I think heart was in the background. Yeah, man, I tell you guys, I don't.

Future of Immigration Enforcement

I think if they only. If they. If they only cut off the flow of benefits, like Brick said, and at the same time, just dealt just filled planes of people who had police contact. I don't think they'd ever have to make a roundup or any such operation outside of maybe some kind of human trafficking operation. So I guess they would. But they really don't have to go door to door or do any roundups if with the volume that's there. And you just said, hey, police, when you encounter a suspect and you arrest them first for a crime and they are not a citizen, you contact us.

Recommendations for Policy Execution

We put a detainer on them. Oh, and next thing you know, they're. They're on the bus to. To the Air Force base, getting on a C 17. And they have a ton of experience moving humans all they did is. Is pride themselves in it that with the Afghanistan withdrawal, it's like you could literally fill those jets daily with nothing but police contact. Yeah. You know, not needing any active operations. My. Yeah. And the other thing, which, you know, obviously, this isn't the only place that we're doing it, but I remember during the Trump administration where I was in court in the mornings, so I was in federal court in the mornings, and there were people taking plea deals for.

Judicial Process and Enforcement Cooperation

For nothing reentry or for aggravated reentry, just other stuff. And whether they missed the ball, they dropped the ball, no idea. But ICE would show up. And I remember talking to one of these guys one day, and they were like, is this, you know, is this guy going to plead today? I'm like, yeah. And they're like, well, once we see him, we're going to grab him. I'm like, no, Mike, please do not grab him. I will never see him again until he re-entries. And then at that point, my case is going to remain open. I guess the whole point of the story, which is funny slash not funny, is that the ICE agents were like, okay, you can do your plea deal first, and then we'll take them.

Coordination Between Legal and Enforcement Agencies

So obviously, we told the judge, and after the guy pled to some, I don't know, it was like some 922 Paul or something, you know, because the guy was a felon prior, which I don't know how he's around for so long. But after he pled, interestingly enough, Paul and I'll go to you next. They didn't send him to BOP before ICE grabbed them and deported them. Right after he pled, they took him to the marshals, gave him over to ICE. So it was actually interesting in that aspect. I guess my point is, though, when. When Biden took over, I never had that again. I never had anyone in a courtroom ever again asking about someone.

Impact of Policy Changes on Legal Proceedings

It just never happened again. But Brick makes a very good point about cutting off the benefits. And Paul going to you, if you know, that's great. If not for anyone that can answer later on. I'm curious, what are the actual. I mean, I'm sure they vary, but what are the actual benefits person, if anybody knows? And I've been trying to get Dan back up here, so. Paul, are you there? Then I'll be honest. Every time I try to do spaces, my computer hates me. So apologies. But I did want to jump in here. I'm going to put forward an unpopular opinion here.

Contemplating Mass Deportation Policies

I. I honestly don't see mass deportations. It's certainly not on the scale that we hope for. But even, I think even in our tepid dreams actually happening, I think that everyone is discussing the methodology by which they could easily happen. I don't know if there's the political will to do this. And if, even if we get to a point where, you know, the administration, the future administration, if we have one that wants to execute that actually says, okay, well, we're going to start rounding up. We want local jurisdictions to let us know when they arrest a criminal legal, and we'll come grab them. Well, we saw what happened when the previous Trump administration tried that.

Challenges of Local Jurisdictions

We saw a surge in new sanctuary cities. If you look at the history of many sanctuary cities, a lot of them came to be during the Trump era, and they said, okay, we're not going to cooperate with ICE. And I think that if there's a push towards mass deportations, then we're going to see way more of that. And if you look at ICE newsroom releases, I mean, it's horrifying. You go there and go to, I encourage everyone to go to ICE.gov newsroom and look at the people that they're picking up. And this is just a tiny little sampling of all the criminals that are in the country.

Research Findings and Implications

And you see in many cases that sanctuary jurisdictions did not cooperate with ICE and did not turn these people over. So you could have the administration come in and say, all right, we want to know every, you know, local police department, please, you know, and sheriff's department, please report your criminal legals. Well, a lot of them, especially in these blue states and blue jurisdictions, are just going to say, nope, we're not participating in that. We're going to see more of that. And frankly, I really don't see mass deportations actually coming to fruition.

Public Perception and Political Considerations

I really don't see it happening. And I think people need to be prepared for that because I think a lot of people are counting on that. I know a lot of normies are. A lot of, I mean, we see more than 50% of the American population is now in favor of that in terms of the American voters. They want that. But I don't think that's going to happen. And I know that's an unpopular opinion, but I think that people should be prepared for that to be the case as much as we want it to be. Dan. I mean, the sanctuary city flex is, I think it's over. You had the mayor of New York, Eric Adams, he's like, the city is closed.

Leadership Responses and Local Governance

We can't take on any more. You don't even see the Democratic mayors or governors flexing that term anymore. I think four years has gone by. I think they're squeezed out. They're saturated. Like, I just. I just disagree with you there. I just. I can't imagine the cities falling back on sanctuary status when the opportunity to clean up their cities is there. Yeah. I mean, I can definitely see both points of view. I could see, you know, you know, I guess where. I guess my point would be to that or I guess not my point. My thought process would be there would be some places that would continue on to hold that sanctuary status to a point.

Analyzing Future Political Landscapes

Right. I mean, I think we've seen in the past four years, New York, San Francisco truly being overrun. Could new areas pop up? Sure. But no, I think you both make good points is that you're going to have some blue areas in states that are going to want to be sanctuary cities or counties and not help the federal government. And then you're going to have places where, I mean, you've heard the mayor of New York say, you know, essentially we're at capacity. We can't take anymore. Don't come here. And then you had, you know, Governor DeSantis, you know, dropping people off.

Political Strategies and Public Response

What was the really rich part up north, Mark, was a Cape Cod, Martha's Vineyard. Martha's Vineyard. I've never seen a. He sent a couple of little jets up there, and I was. I seen white people so happy to see other people leave their little island or area than Martha's Vineyard when they were leaving. That was the airboat pilot program. Oh, was it really? So I was gonna say, holy shit. So, yeah, so, Mark, they dropped these people off. Yeah, yeah. And these are the rich, elite liberals, and they can't wait to help and to talk about.

Contradictions in Political Rhetoric

They were. They were. They were on the ground for, like, they were gone. And like, I didn't even hit a full. Not even a full two days, Mark. They were gone. And when they were leaving, you had the white, rich liberal elites waving goodbye and they were crying and they were like, for 30 hours. I really believe I touched their lives. What a bunch of fucking phonies, Mark. Yeah, it's weird. And I think about. Yes, I agree. And I disagree with Dan about the mass movements because I think historically, yes, I know the imagination of wrangling people up and putting them on jets.

Historical Context of Mass Movements

Yes, it probably looks bad. But I think about America historically. You have the Japanese internment camps. You had the Trail of Tears, okay. Pretty much decimated, you know, populations, you know, Indian nations, and everything. And I think that under certain conditions in a second and final Trump administration and the man saying he's going to do it. So I guess optics I would think, is less than his concern normally, which is also typically kind of low to begin with. So, you know, I mean, I don't want to live a pipe dream, but I can see, Mark, United States government packing planes and mark, you only have one life, buddy.

Reality of Political Promises

Live a pipe dream. You only got one life, man. At least that we're aware of. So, yeah, I don't think that mass deportation is your pipe dream. Exactly. But yes, I understand what you're saying would go ahead, buddy. Can I, can, I admit, I don't even know what a pipe dream is. I just felt like it made sense. Yeah. I mean, to be quite in the flow, but what is a pipe dream? I'm not going to get into it now because we only have them for about, you don't know. I was about to say I don't know.

Implications of Political Messaging

I've used it my entire life. I don't know what a pipe dream is. So I'm going to have to look it up. But let me go to you while I look up on Google, actually, how pipe dream came about. So to, I think you're making a good point, Mark. And I think that we all kind of agree with you. You know, we hope that this situation would be resolved and there would be some level of deportation of these 15, 20, 30 million people here. I think, I think what Dan is saying has validity, though. People need to be prepared that if this doesn't happen, you know, what will it have?

Future Considerations in Immigration Policy

What will it look like? And the other part is say it happened on a low scale and it did look like the Ilean Gonzalez thing, and it did have this sort of tough imagery of people being put on a plane and sent back to where they came from or sent back somewhere else. I think that the media uproar there would be so severe and large and people would have to have a hard time seeing some of that images. I mean, even seeing people sleeping on the streets because there's nowhere for them to go or watching people cross. I mean, it is a hard thing to see.

Public Reaction to Deportation Policies

So I think both of those things, the people that are cheering loudly for President Trump, talking about mass deportations, they should be prepared for both of those. Yeah, I agree. Let me just read this real quick so you can all get my knowledge. The origin of pipe dream is from the late 19th century, referring to a dream experience when smoking a long opium pipe. A pipe dream is an idea or plan that is not practical or possible. Many believe, many people believe that traveling and living in Mars is just, quote, a pipe dream.

Understanding Public Perception

So, Mark, it appears opium and long wooden sticks like everything else in our lives is the origin of this. Got it. And now you know. Mark, and now you know. Yeah, I guess I used it properly. I want to jump in. I want to say that actually I don't think mass deportations are a pipe dream because I do think that they are absolutely feasible and absolutely practical, but I don't think that there is the political will to do so. And I do think that even if there is, the legal challenges are going to be just insane because a lot of these people, as we talked about, have a degree of legal standing to be in the country.

Challenges of Legal Status

So in some ways, those legal standings are going to have to be reversed. And frankly, I'm of the opinion that green cards and potentially even citizenship for a lot of people need to be reversed and thrown out and these people need to be removed from the country. That to me is not a pipe dream. That's practical and it's possible. But I really don't think we're going to get there. I think that maybe some criminals will get sent out of the country, some incentives are going to be turned off and some people are going to leave. But I mean, we're looking at 40 to 50 million people, I think, and maybe more that need to be kicked out of this country.

Societal Integration and Local Impacts

And so it's embedded into the fabric of the system at this point. And I have to say I disagree with Mark about the sanctuary cities. Some of them have a problem with what's going on. A lot of them, that's just politics in these cities now, in my opinion, Chicago, New York, the state of California, many, we have many sanctuary states. Now Colorado is a sanctuary state. So we're not just talking about counties and cities. We're talking about entire states. We're talking about, I mean, an entire system that has to be cleaned out.

Policy Implications on Migration

And we're talking about straight up communists that need to be dealt with, that are American citizens. Let me ask Dan and Wood real quick, though, because we have some hands and Paul and Hart are experts in this area. So I do want to go to them. Dan and wit, I know we spoke about ending up at nine. It's totally up to you guys. Do we need to wrap on your end or do you have more time to hang around? I'm fine either way. We're always going to have you back. Thank you. I have about ten minutes only because I have family staying with me right now, so I'm going to go ten more because I've had all these difficulties and I apologize.

Concluding Remarks and Future Discussions

So ten more minutes from me. Wait. As a different schedule. Okay. No, no, that's. I can hang a little bit crypto. Okay, perfect. Let me go to Paul. Paul, go ahead. And then we'll go back to rapping with Dan. We'll chat with Wood. But I want to get Paul and Hart in the conversation, but they've, you know, listen, it's not too often we have our esteemed gentlemen and guests getting down thumbed. Getting down thumbed by Paul and Hart. So, listen, if you're going to down thumb my guests, you better bring some heat. Paul, go ahead, buddy.

The Role of Justice Department

Okay. And for any jurisdiction stepping in the way of that, you know, just start arresting them, too. I mean, it's not hard to do. The DOJ has got to get on board. I'll give you an example, Paul, and I totally agree with you. I want to make that very clear. But listen, I'm going to give you one little microcosm example. And we might have even talked about it in the last space. There were two criminal illegals in Princeton, New Jersey, who had criminal records and were ordered removed from the country ordered at least arrested by Ice. ICE turned up in Princeton, New Jersey, to arrest these two guys who had rap sheets, and one of them had a pretty hairy conviction. And the local activists literally attacked the ICE agents and prevented them from arresting one or both of these guys. This is just one tiny little example. Nobody in Princeton was arrested, not one person who physically assaulted ICE agents in this city was arrested.

Escalation of Tensions

If they really try to start rolling this out, I think we're going to see, obviously, we're going to see mass chaos, insane leftists trying to prevent this stuff from happening. And we're going to see insane leftists embedded throughout the administrative state who are going to thwart this from happening. And I think that's where the problems are going to arise. I'm not saying that Trump doesn't want to do this or that Stephen Miller doesn't intend to do this or that we don't want it. I think that we're going to see a total thwarting of this agenda and it's going to fall apart. And that's just my prediction. I get that, sir, but it wasn't under Trump, it was under Biden. Okay. The DOJ has to have the teeth. They have to prosecute the people that are arrested. You think the ICE agents didn't want to arrest those people and try to get a prosecution? And we're told no. And that came down from the president. That's his DOJ.

The Challenge of Enforcement

So unless now, and now you have a president that's more willing to arrest people for violations of the law, they will take those prosecutions because I'll give you a perfect example. 1326 is in Miami. You didn't need a bunch of stuff. All it was is they had been removed previously and they were back in the United States. That's the elements of that crime. Okay? There's other sectors and places around this country that lumped on that they have to have felonies and all this other stuff, or high misdemeanors or a bunch of convictions to get a 1326 convention, which is not the way the law is written. And if we go straight by that and straighten the DOJ out, that's where the real problem lies with a lot of this. It's even with the strongly worded letters from Congress, the DOJ doesn't act. And that's our issue.

Discussion on Mass Deportation

So, Paul, let's go up to a 30,000 foot view, because I think we're all agreeing on it. I think what can be said, and then I'll go to Mark. I think what is being said is from an overview, 30,000ft, it could look dirty, it could look difficult, and it's going to be difficult. Right. So even if we want to do it, I think, and again, I am not an expert in this area. I'm going to go when Mark is done, I'm going to go to Hart and then I'll hit the hands. I'll hit bricks. I know he's been waiting. I guess what we're saying is, from a 30,000 foot overview, is that some of these deportations could tug on the emotional heartstrings of people, number one. Number two is it could be difficult. I think that's all we're saying now, how it gets done. And can it be done? I would say yes to both.

Considerations in Implementation

You know, there has to be a plan. They can do it. Is it strictly within the purview of the presidency? I don't know. You know, I don't know this stuff. I'm nothing. You know, I know that DOJ, you know, can order from main justice certain prosecutions. And as I said, you know, ICE showed up when I was a prosecutor under Trump. It didn't happen under the other guys. Right. So. But can it happen? Yes. Will it happen? I don't know. I guess the easiest thing would be to look at Trump's prior administration and see how he did there, which, to be quite honest, I'm not really sure.

Historical Perspectives on Immigration

Well, that's exactly what I was going to bring up. What attorney general in your mind in recent history would have possibly attacked this issue? Jeff Sessions. He seemed like a great person to bring on board. Well, what happened to Jeff Sessions? He was quickly run out of town, replaced briefly by Matthew Whitaker, who did nothing, and then replaced by William Barr, who is certainly not a pro deportation attorney general. And that's what we can look at historically in the prior administration. My concern is a similar situation unfolding here in the potential next administration. Right.

Shifts in Public Sentiment

Mark, let me go to you. Are you there? But, yeah, I'm here. Yeah, I think, well, I, yeah, I think that the situation is different than it was. I think it's developed worse. I think the exposure of the situation is more. And I think that President Trump, after all he's been through, I just, and he's, you know, presumably, you know, he gets elected and he's in office, I don't think there's anything to turn him away from carrying out what it is he's saying he's gonna do now. What is quote unquote, mass deportation. Right. Like, I have no idea. You don't have any.

The Definition of Mass Deportation

We would all have a different imagination on what mass means. Like Paul said, there's people already ordered. They're done. They're out of strikes. Right. You know, we deport people. Right. So what is mass? Right. Like, you know, whatever's happening, we could both look at it and decide that's, that's not mass and this is mass. So, you know, I really don't know. But I think that the president is serious about this. I think it can be done. And I think that one thing that is brought up, which was my question, which I didn't get to ask the president tonight, is, you know, his choice in cabinets and staff. He's had a ton of criticism on it, and he's even criticized and identified his own shortcomings in the past.

Concerns About Future Leadership

You know, look at his generals, look at his cabinet, you know, some real letdowns. So, you know, whether or not he pulls through and picks the right guys this time, I would suggest that he's probably going to pick people who will execute his orders and his vision. So that's just my total guess. All right, we're going to go to Hart and then up. Dan, what's up, buddy? You have to go. Yeah, I just, I wanted to respond to that, to Mark, and I probably will dip out here, but I will say, yeah, that's a great point. I think another thing that we're not talking about here is the fact that Trump has repeatedly said recently, we're going to bring a lot of people in legally.

Legal Immigration Discussions

That needs to be challenged as well. Frankly, it almost seems like a back burner issue because we're saying, all right, we're just trying to get rid of the people that are here legally, but we also need to be cognizant of the fact that not only has Trump talked about bringing a lot of people here legally, he's even told the tech titans in recent podcasts with David Sachs and Al that he would be interested in basically stapling green cards to diplomas, even for two year college graduates in the US. So it really raises red flags to me. I say, well, why would a president who actually intends on executing mass deportations also intend on bringing tons of people here legally?

Concerns Over Trump's Immigration Plans

I think that the messaging is all askew at this point, and it gives me concern. And I do wonder if in some ways Trump is riding on immigration rhetoric that he knows the base wants to hear, knowing that he probably can't deliver it because of the issues that we've discussed here. I will say, I would like to see mass deportations to mean mass deportations are anywhere from 20 to 50 million people. And until we reach that number and a lengthy immigration moratorium, I will not be satisfied. But I would love to be wrong. About all this. I hope that Paul's correct. I hope that Hart's correct. And Mark and crypto and everyone here, and we will be cheering for mass deportations and an immigration moratorium.

Pressure for Policy Change

And those things will only come if we approve. Apply pressure at every level from these spaces all the way to the administrative level on the administration to actually execute this, assuming that we have an administration that is interested in this sort of thing. But I do want to say thank you so much, crypto and Mark and Paul and Hart, and everyone is here. Brick, thank you so much for having me. And I apologize for having to dip early, but I do have family in town. I will say, also, check out the new Border Hawk News. I think you're all going to like it. We have a border trip planned very soon.

Future Coverage Initiatives

Wiz can be heading there for us for a while to do a lot of extensive coverage. We're dropping a big exclusive story tomorrow about another heinous crime that was committed by illegals in the Washington, DC area. And I just invite you all to keep an eye on what we're doing and also what crypto and the gang are doing and look forward to doing another space like this again with you all soon. Thank you so much. Thanks, Dan. Have a great evening, buddy. And we're going to go to Hart. Hart, go ahead. And Paul, you're going to take the stick here for a second. I'll be back in about two to three minutes, but Hart, all yours, buddy.

Personal Experience with Immigration Policies

Thanks, crypto. So this conversation is interesting, at least from my perspective, because I was actually offered a political appointment in the Trump administration, and it just didn't end up coming to pass because obviously what happened in the reelection campaign. But that being said, Project 2025 functioned as a recruitment tool. People were supposed to get recruited, submit the resume, and get recruited for a potential republican administration. Not necessarily. It didn't start out as necessarily Trump's. It was going to be whoever the next republican president in 2025 was going to be.

Recruitment for Future Administration

But I didn't submit my information to Project 2025. Project 2025 came to me because of my particular skill set. So when we're talking about, you know, what is Stephen Miller going to do? It's probably more like, what is Hart going to do? Because I've already written the Ops plan for how you do mass deportations. And Paul is right. It comes down to money, ultimately. But using just the existing personnel that ICE already has, you can affect, like, three and a quarter million aliens in a single year.

Operational Plans for Mass Deportations

If each sworn ICE officer or agent only makes a single arrest per workday. So if you ramp that up to multiple people getting arrested per day, you can actually start moving some people. But again, it goes back to, will Congress fund it? And how much of it can we actually do on the cheap? So for me, like three and a quarter is like the same as zero. So anything more than three and a quarter for me is like, we're just getting started. But people focus on the optics, but they should focus on the law and what's happening currently because people are getting fed up.

Public Opinion Trends

Like, even left-leaning polls say that like, a majority, a simple majority of Americans now support mass deportations. Well, how do you know, how do you get more people to be on board with it? Well, you have Venezuelan gangs take over apartment buildings and people getting, you know, hacked to death with machetes and their body parts dumped in, you know, the East River in New York. Those kind of things you get, you know, twelve year old little girls raped and murdered. Like that. Shit is starting to wear people down. People that, you know, otherwise might have been like, no, we can't deport them. They're just here looking for a better life.

Impact of Current Administration

The Biden Harris administration is literally. Paul, is this thing on? Can you not hear me, Mark? Have I been going for like three minutes for nothing? I can hear you. Okay. All right, excellent. So, yeah, I couldn't hear him either. They're like, literally, the Biden Harris administration is literally pissing away whatever goodwill, you know, the moderates and some, you know, center leaning left people feel about mass deportations. Can you hear now, Mark, he just finished. No, I couldn't hear him at all. But it was wonderful that you can say it again. I won't subject people to that. We'll just keep going on.

Changing Sentiment Toward Mass Deportations

I think, I think you are making a good point, though, Hart about people's sentiment, feeling towards, you know, the old media narrative of these people just looking for a better life. I mean, we're seeing just crime after crime, horrific story after horrific story, and far more organized, you know, these trends taking over these areas in Tucson, talking about, I'm sorry, not Tucson, Aurora, talking about, you know, places in Chicago going all over the place, these transnational organizations that should get people's attention, because we're seeing that on a scale that I don't think that we've seen quite yet.

Conditioning of Public Perception

So I think you are right about that. The sentiment seems to be shifting slightly. Yeah. And I mean, a lot of this is messaging. I mean, the whole idea is that, you know, people instinctively go to, well, they're. They're asylum seekers. But the whole thing is they've been conditioned through gaslighting from this administration, during the Trump administration. And Paul can vouch for this. There is. There is a concept in immigration enforcement called expedited removal. Basically, any alien that comes to the United States, like, illegally, can be expeditiously removed, and that is without referral to an immigration judge.

Expedited Removal and Legal Processes

Paul, as a border Patrol agent, could sign off on deporting somebody without referring to that person to an immigration judge. The exception to that is if you're seeking asylum or you're an unaccompanied alien child that's not Mexican or Canadian. But. So during the Trump administration, it started collecting data on people that were subject to expedited removal who were seeking asylum. And the average over the three years that it collected the data was only 11.66% of aliens that entered the US between ports of entry either outright requested asylum or said, I'm afraid of being persecuted if you deport me.

Analysis of Asylum Claims

So 11.66% is a whole lot closer to zero than it is to 100%. So how pissed off are Americans going to be if a Trump 2025 administration says, hey, look, everything the Biden Harris administration told you about these people being asylum seekers is, frankly, bullshit? They're not asylum seekers. They're economic migrants. And they're coming here, taking your jobs because the Biden Harris administration was giving out work permits like it was going out of fashion. How pissed are Americans going to be when they finally realized that everything that this administration told them about immigration was a lie?

Public Expectations and Political Consequences

You certainly hope that people would feel that way. And I think you're right about the economic portion. I mean, I've talked to a lot of migrants over the years, and I don't think I've ever heard anybody ever say anything about asylum claims in terms of anything legitimate. They talk about the economic reason, and then they also talk about fear, which is something that they're claiming a lot more of in the Arizona area. Actually. You actually mentioned that on a space before Hart. This whole idea of claiming fear, you know, I'm afraid. As opposed to, you know, pure economic asylum or normal asylum.

Immigration Enforcement Challenges

Yeah, because you mentioned William Barr, who ironically, when he was, you know, deputy attorney general and then acting, I think acting attorney general the first time, was actually not a shitbag on immigration. The dude literally was a named plaintiff in a famous Supreme Court case about catching Haitians at sea and not giving them the right to request asylum. And just simply returning them back to Haiti. So the dude knew how the game was played, but apparently, you know, he was well removed from. He no longer remembered that William Barr, when he looked in the mirror.

Legal Perspectives on Immigration

But the whole idea that we can get rid of people without letting them seek asylum, I'm not saying there's no element of asylum abuse. There obviously is. But one of the things that came out of that Supreme Court case was the fact that if somebody made it to land and they actually said, hey, I want asylum, or I'm afraid of being persecuted, they took you to see a judge right then and there, and you had to tell the judge why it was you thought you deserved asylum. And if you couldn't articulate that you were actually being persecuted due to your race, your religion, your national origin, your political opinion, or your membership in a particular social group, your ass got deported like you were still in custody.

Legal Framework for Immigration and Asylum

And that's actually one of the things that Congress passed in 1996, was a requirement that every alien remain detained. And so the Biden administration, like, talks about how during the Senate border bill, there was going to be an increase in the number of available beds. Well, what they failed to mention was every year that they were in office, they detained less than the current required or less than the current allocated number of beds, and then on top of that, every year asked for 30% less beds than the year prior. So Congress, despite them, actually increased the number of beds to 40,000 from like 30, 32,000 or something after the border bill failed.

Current Challenges in Detention Facilities

So we have 40,000 available beds at any one time. And the Biden administration still doesn't use all of them, despite the fact that millions and millions of aliens are entering the United States illegally each fiscal year. Crypto. Can you hear him now? I think you're in charge, Paul. I guess I am. Well, you know what? Mark's back. Mark, did you hear him this time? I did, I did. Just as I entered. Let me. I missed the button. Here we go. Invite. All right, Hart, if you could just repeat the last eleven minutes, that'd be great.

Engagement with Audience

All right, let me ask Paul, are we all caught up with Hart? Did he have a question, or are we going to the people or where we at? I think it's time to go to the people because people have been waiting a while, and I mean, Shannon, Brick have been waiting the longest, and then Chris. All right. Yeah, you know the lineup then, Paul, take off. All right. What's going on? Are we going down in flames? What's going on? No, I just returned.

Public Sentiment on Immigration Policies

I. Yeah. Geez. Yeah. Trying to walk the dog over here. Paul's got the sticks for the first time ever. Did Hart go? Yeah, he went. And we're walking the dog to the hands, buddy, because we got three of them. All right, let's go. Let me bring Michael Casey up. I know Brick suits. I'm going to go to Brick, then Chris, and then to Shannon, hopefully. I'm saying that. Right. Brick ahead, buddy. Yeah.

Questions and Discussions

I got a question for Hart. What's the average cost to deport somebody? Like, how much does it cost us per person to do a deportation? Roughly? I want to say it's like $2,200. Like an hour because it's basically predicated on the cost of the seat in the contract aircraft, and that doesn't factor for, like the. All right, so let me be more specific. Let me be more specific. Not the cost of the aircraft, like, what's it costing us in terms of man hours and stuff like that domestically, to deport somebody, you know, involuntarily when they don't want to go.

Cost Efficiency in Deportation

Well, I. Are you talking about, like, the actual catching them part? Because the other part. Yeah. What I was wondering if you had that figure, maybe it's too difficult to come at, but I was wondering, is there something that we could do, like some sort of voluntary deportation where we dangle some sort of carrot, like we say, you as a family, if you'd like to go back to the country you came from, we will, you know, send you there. We'll pay for your ticket. We'll give you some pocket money. That's what Romney in 2012, the self-deportation.

Exploring Voluntary Deportation

Well, let me, if I could finish the sentence. And, you know, and if you do that, you're also signing away your right to reenter the United States under any circumstances. So, you know, if it's more cost-efficient to ask volunteers for people who want to go than to go, and it's also a better option. I mean, if you're a family living in Chicago and you got like three kids and you're, you know, you all came here in the last four years and you're a legal entrance and you raise your hand to go, that's a lot better than police agents coming and rounding up the whole family and having to send you away.

Improving Deportation Processes

So at some point, you know, the optics are better. And if the cost is better, let's do what costs less? I mean, I, as much as I hate that we would be giving them money and basically paying their way to leave and bribing them to do so. It's better than giving them x thousands of dollars of months here to remain. So, I mean, what's, you know, like, there's different ways to approach that. Yeah, I don't. I mean, it's obviously, you know, people probably would not be that thrilled with it. But you make a valid point.

Creative Approaches to Immigration

One that I think is worth having, and Paul and I have had this discussion as well, is, you know, I would rather pay somebody to go voluntarily than have to spend more money to catch them. However, that's not necessarily inherently a bad thing because it really depends on the person. You know, if you're a family of five, you know, I would rather do that than, you know, your kid to grow up illegal and then, you know, a future administration try to do some dumb shit like DACA. And we don't do a very good job of deporting whole families and or children.

The Challenges of Deporting Families

But that being said, even without the component of paying people to leave, we can make it very unpleasant to be here, even if we didn't take away the financial incentives. Because the whole thing is that, you know, people basically sell their stuff at the home and they're like, f you. I'm going to the United States. See you suckers. Never. Well, if you suddenly show back up six months, a year later in chains with no shoelaces because you got deported from the United States, suddenly that shit's not so funny anymore.

Historical Context and Immigration Trends

So, you know, people like, if you start deporting people, less people will come. And the more you deport people, the more people will want to go home on their own. They will find a way to do it because they would rather go home with their head held high than to be publicly humiliated to appear on TV on their own, you know, national program like shuffling, doing the lockup, shuffle down a staircase from an airplane because they got deported by the United States. That's just. That's not cool when you thought you were going to come here and live your best life.

Historical Precedents in Enforcement

Hey, Hart. And the other thing is, history will repeat itself because Eisenhower already did this once. And more people self-deported because this was done by only the border patrol back in the fifties because there was no ICE, there was no other agency to do this. And basically, I think they said close to 2 million people left during that operation where they started in Maine. Rather than face the courts and find out they were going to get deported with the hard removal. Back then it was being called deported, now it's removed.

Community Responses and Self-Deportation

They ran on their own and held their heads up high and went back on their own. And I mean, this has happened multiple times in history. I mean, that's why there's huge Chinese communities in Mexico, because it started back in the 18 hundreds. I mean, to the point of where there was a supreme Court case about a Chinese national that was born in the United States and was given US citizenship through the 14th Amendment. That's still to this day being parsed because of us talking about Kamala Harris. We're not even going to go into that. But that's just something to realize. This has happened before.

Incentives for Voluntary Return

Crypto. What if the incentive is for families? First class tickets to Disney World, four days, five nights, all covered, and a first-class ticket back to your home country if you voluntarily identify and get on that plane. Otherwise, it's a C-17 and you're sitting on a cargo net. What do you think? Will that sell? Maybe. Paul, do you think that would sell? I don't know. I mean, all ideas are, I'm open all ideas because we have an issue that needs to be solved.

Political Accountability

And our government has proven once again they're unwilling to solve it. They're just willing to kick the can down the road and blame each other constantly rather than actually handle these issues. And when they started, when Trump actually started to try to handle these issues, he was attacked on all sides. Like Wood said. I mean, that there's definitely that problem in the United States. The upside is a lot of that stuff won't need to be relitigated. Like when Trump wanted to expand. So I was talking about expedited removal.

Law Enforcement and Immigration Enforcement

But, Mark, you didn't hear that part where an illegal alien can be deported without referral to an immigration judge, provided they're not seeking asylum. Well, when that law was introduced in the 1990s by the Clinton administration, they basically sort of like, half-assed it. So the statute, when you read it has no geographic limitations, but it was introduced as it could only be done by the border patrol. It could only be within the border enforcement zone. So 100 miles from an external boundary of the United States.

Implementation of Immigration Laws

And then under the W administration, it got expanded even further to, it was 14 days, but still only by the Border Patrol and only within that 100 miles zone. So the Trump administration was like, no, this is stupid. That's not what the law says. We're going to let ICE start just like, collaring people and then deporting them without an immigration judge. And, you know, leftist groups, Suede, and the Trump administration was out of office by the time it happened, but it won. The way that the statute, or the way that the statute was introduced by regulation, said that the then-attorney general, now DHS secretary, doesn't need to notify anybody in writing to change how that law is going to be enforced.

Legal Framework for Immigration Enforcement

So I disagree with a lot of what happened during the Trump administration the first time because Stephen Miller was, like, jamming these regulations through without abiding by this obscure law called the Administrative Procedure Act, which requires a public notice and a comment period where people can tell you, this idea sucks, get bent, and just saying, we're going to do this, we're going to call an emergency so that we don't have to ask people for their opinion, which we could ignore anyway. And so a lot of the stuff that the Trump administration tried to do under Stevens tutelage got struck down, not because it was actually illegal, but because the way it was they were trying to do it was illegal because of the lack of public notice.

Expedited Removal Implementation Post-Trump Administration

But Trump won on expedited removal. So that means that on the afternoon of the 20th, as he's getting, you know, going from getting sworn in to the first party, he could literally sign an order that says, go, just start snatching people this afternoon, and there's nothing that the left is going to be able to do about it. Thanks, Hart. Let me head over to Chris. Chris, what's up, buddy? Hey, guys. Yeah, it's unfortunate I couldn't hear Hart because I know he had a lot of good things to say. But I just kind of want to make a quick comment.

Concerns about Immigration and Crime

And I think a couple of things we have to recognize, first and foremost, is these folks are ghosts. A lot of these folks are certainly the more the bad ones. They're ghosts. Like, yes, we can find them, but there are some that we can't find, or some that can immediately get additional identification or new identification to prove that they are somehow somebody else. And so I think this is not, I always go back to say this. This isn't like, you know, the nineties or eighties, et cetera, migrants from Mexico coming here for work. These folks are highly organized.

Organized Crime and Bureaucratic Challenges

They come here with a full system in place to get them anything that they need and get it fast. And so I think that in and of itself is an issue, but also the trick box in this whole scenario, which I think is what wid and Dan were talking about, is this intergovernmental bureaucratic showdown that would eventually take place because you have municipal and state laws and ordinances in place to protect these people. You have courts that are not, you have conservative courts, but you also have ultra-liberal courts as well in this country.

Media Influence on Immigration Policies

And you combine that with, quite frankly, a mainstream media that has been legalized to propagandize on Americans. So these are all factors that do not favor these folks being mass deported. And what my concern more than anything is, you know, they mass deport families and those kinds of things. Okay, fine. All that's all good. But are they going to mass deport Venezuelan gangs that are heavily armed? How's that going to go down?

Identifying Armed Criminals

Are they, are they going to, you know, mass deport? How, how are they going to identify these folks who don't have identity to mass deport them? Chris, everybody that came through the border that's been released has put their biometrics in our systems that has been caught. So if they turn themselves in and we're released, which is we're hearing a lot of these people that are criminals now in the United States, and they're finding out they were released by this administration. Okay? And the reason why they're released is that they don't have access to Venezuela's criminal records purposefully.

Limitations of Criminal Record Access

Venezuela won't give that stuff up for a reason. And, and the reason is pretty plain. And so they already have those biometrical information for those people. Not to get all into it, but they take retinal scans, they take fingerprints, and depending on the location, they still were taking DNA swabs from adults. So that's already in the system, buddy. But, but I mean, but I think what I, what blew my mind was the interview, like I said, with Sean Ryan and Sarah Adams, where she talks about this very issue and she talks about the identification, she talks about biometrics, she talks about those things.

Undocumented Individuals in the System

But there's a whole heck of a lot that didn't go through any of that. And so how many are not being caught? How many are not being stopped? You know, I have a very close friend who is extremely high up and former military, extremely high up now in the, quote, private sector or whatever. And even he has privately said to me, dude, we don't know how many people are here. We don't know who they are. We don't have the ability to know who they are. And these are not friendlies. And so I do have a concern about that.

Concerns About Identification Processes

And if the response is, well, you know, we can go and ask for their identification, we can ask for information or whatever, then my natural response is, okay, well, we could already do that. And so if we can already do that, then why can't we prevent them from going on voter rolls? Why can't we prevent them from other issues? And finally, I will say our ports, like, as in like literally our coasts, our Canadian border, I mean, this isn't just Mexico's border where these people are piling in. We don't know how many people are coming across Canada.

National Security Concerns

We don't know how many people are landing on our shores and coming in. We know who's landing in the airports. We know who's coming in through the, quote, port or gates or whatever on the Mexican border. But we don't know how many people are passing in kind of as an okie doke. Right? Of course they're going to have people go this direction while the ones that they don't want caught go a different direction. And so I just, I don't know how, I would love to see a lot of these folks deported because they're not here legally.

Legitimate Immigration versus Undocumented Presence

They didn't swear an oath against communism. They didn't pay tens of thousands or thousands and thousands of dollars per person to go through a very rigorous process. Like, for example, my sister-in-law had to go through. Right. And so it's wrong. But I don't know how necessarily it's feasible because the system to accomplish that is so corrupted at from the local all the way to the federal level. I'm not sure that's doable. And that's a sad and scary thing to say. And I don't know how you guys feel, but that's my two cents on it.

Future of Immigration Policy

And I think we're in some deep trouble coming up. Yeah, no, you make good points, Chris. Let me hop down to Shannon. I hope I'm pronouncing that right. Yes, thank you. You, Hart touched a little bit earlier on the asylum claims and we, you know, from what we've been hearing, most of the asylum claims are bogus because they're coached before they get to the border by these NGO's on what to say. And, you know, basically they're given an appointment and, you know, see and five years.

Legitimacy of Asylum Claims

And I understand that they have to go before a judge. So, you know, could you see any scenario where Trump, you know, just hires all these temporary judges and moves those appointments up and gets those claims adjudicated and, you know, get those people on their way home? Is that even feasible? Are they federal judges? Do they have to be approved by Congress? How does that work so, Hart if you want to hop in, I think they're article one judges, right? Yeah.

Judicial Authority in Immigration Courts

So they're, immigration judges are employees of the executive branch, so they don't need congressional approval. And, yes, you can do a couple of things. So one is the federal government has an annuitant program where basically, if you're a retired federal employee, you can be brought back for a certain period of time each year and work essentially full time for part of the year without affecting your Social Security. So we could bring back retired immigration judges. I know some that I think would be willing to do it.

Potential Solutions for Judge Shortages

You could also, because they're administrative law judges, you could do things like reallocate judges. So you could take, like, let's say, a patent judge and say, all right, well, one day a week, you're going to hear what are called master calendar hearings. So that's the immigration equivalent of an initial appearance in criminal court. So Wednesdays, you're going to hear master calendar hearing cases. And as long as we're giving the people that Mayorkas released, even though he shouldn't have their due process, there's nothing stopping us from basically saying, yeah, your initial notice to appear said three years, but you're under arrest and you're going to see a judge this afternoon.

Understanding Immigration Hearing Processes

Awesome. Thank you. Could I just jump in on that real quick? Yep, go ahead. I apologize. Yeah, no, thank you. So I think part of the problem is, like, the people who actually show up to their court date that is given three, four, five years in advance sometimes is something like, I don't know, like maybe 10%. Right. So it, I think coming up with a system to go and get these people is what's necessary. And trying to rely on them being honest and coming back, especially when they know that they're facing immediate deportation, probably, like, I just, I don't know if these people are actually going to show up.

Attendance Issues in Court Hearings

Well, and that brings me to my next question, is if they have an appointment that they don't show up for, are they immediately in violation and forego going before a judge and can be immediately deported? Yes. So let me answer what Jen said first, and then I'll answer that second part. So the, and I actually crunched this for somebody associated with the Trump campaign, who shall remain nameless, but the current in absentia rate is about 40%. So 60% of aliens show up to at least one hearing.

Statistical Analysis on Hearing Attendance

So the whole thing is that during the Trump administration, the acting ICE director testified that aliens will show up in court until it's no longer in their best interest to do so. So there are some of them that won't show up from the very beginning, but a lot of them will go to a couple of hearings, and then once they realize that they're not going to successfully game the system, they just stop coming. So if we started making the appearances closer together, like, for instance, asylum, even though there is some built in asylum fraud, it's not as great as the American public have been led to believe by existing law.

Challenges with Asylum Claims

Asylum cases are required to be decided in 180 days, but that doesn't currently happen, and judges are not actually held to doing so. So if an alien is like, if we're not going to detain them all, like the law says, if we just make it so that currently, if you're. If you're applying for asylum, you're most likely not going to get it. In like 75% or more of cases, they're going to be denied asylum. The immigration judge says, all right, I've reviewed your request for asylum. It's denied.

Proposed Revisions to Asylum Processes

Come back in, whatever, six months, nine months, a year, and I'll tell you whether or not you're going to be deported. That's stupid. You know, whether or not the alien is eligible for some other benefit besides asylum. Tell them right there to their face, and then have either an ICE officer or. Or even like, a contract, whatever, you know, like somebody from G4S or some contract company. Act as an immigration bailiff, and just take that alien into custody. Lock them up, chain them to a bench in the back room until ICE comes at the end of the business day to collect them.

Streamlining the Immigration Enforcement Process

If we stop letting them go through whatever, by hook or by crook, they will, like, stop coming to the United States, which is 50% of the problem right there, is like, getting more people to stop coming while we figure out how we're going to get rid of the ones that are here. Thanks, Hart. Don't want to miss anyone. So I apologize. Gee, I'll come to you next. Let me go to sister Sean. Hey. Peace, power, and restitution.

Introduction to Sanctuary City Issues

I hope that I just came in probably in the last 45 minutes, so I hope this isn't a repetitive conversation, but the sanctuary city issue, I think a lot of people were blindsided by it. The sanctuary city status was pretty much afforded in some kind of back room kind of way. Nobody understood that they were sanctuary cities. Nobody voted on it. It wasn't a special referendum. We literally got hit with this sanctuary shit show in real time.

Reversal of Sanctuary City Status

So now here we are. So what I would purport is to work to reverse that status and that's all we can do because they put us in the status and we literally didn't know were blindsided. Now, I know Brandon, the Chicago mayor, these Brandon Johnson, they actually attempted to do that and he blocked them. So now that we know we're trying to do something about it, my consensus is that there's a hidden hand here. And I'm gonna tell you what the hidden hands are.

Role of NGOs in Immigration Issues

The hidden hands are the NGO's. Somebody's getting paid off of this. It's the, it's the NGO's and it's other organizations that are fueling this. And at the end of the day, we wouldn't need 12 million immigrants if there isn't somewhere lurking in a corner some company that's willing to hire them. So the blame goes both ways. Now we've got the crime and I don't know, but this is what really got me. I don't know if you guys heard that story.

Incidents Involving Illegal Immigrants

I think it was up in New York, I don't know. It was New York or Chicago where one of these illegals, they literally bit with your mouth, like bite bit the officers. So they bit one officer trying to restrain him. I don't know if he had a medical condition or what. And then they transported him to the hospital and then they bit another officer in the forehead. These are the kind of people that we're dealing with here.

Public Perception of Crime

And you know, they're committing these crimes and they're letting them loose. So you're. And I know everybody saw you're popping off in daytime prime time, daylight in Times Square. You're letting loose with your guns. What, what is our country going to. And then we've got some judge, I can't remember what state she was from and she's going to rule that it is lawful to give illegals two a licenses. Come on, man. What does this really mean?

Consequences of Current Policies

This means something bigger and I think it knows what. We know what it means because no country is that stupid. Look what's going on geopolitically. Look at the UK, look at Denmark, look at the Netherlands, look at what they're dealing with now. And then we've got this open border and then we have all this hostility in the Middle East. Oh, wow, are we that stupid? No, there's a hidden hand.

Discussion on Immigration Policies

Now let me go to Mister Hart. Hey, Hart. He got my mind thinking. He said something and taught me something. That's why I love to listen. He talked about the number of cages, beds, these beds, right. They're already provided for the migrants. And there's a disparity. A disparity is like, it's like 10,000 beds, at least eight. I don't know, don't quote me on it. But it's like 40,000 bed and only 30,000 or 32,000 use.

Concerns about Unused Resources

So that's a 8000 goddamn difference. So. So what are we doing here? So we got the beds and not the bodies. Okay? So that means that's a double dip. So we're, bam. We're paying for unused beds. But no, we, they want the beds at the Roosevelt hotel up in New York City. So we have, and we gonna have to do the thing. So when people weren't focusing, we're focusing now.

Public Response to Immigration Housing

What they said with Trump, the big thing. Kids in cages. Kids in cages. That's like the slogan. So now we're going to say Biden's beds. Biden's beds. So now we're finding out through Hart. You got all these damn unused beds, but yet you're sending them to the Roosevelt hotel up in New York City. So am I paying for a biting bed and a Roosevelt hotel? Bede, come on now.

Rising Tensions in Urban Areas

Yeah. So let's hashtag that now that I literally just learned about that tonight. So there should be no unused beds that are federally appropriated for that I'm already paying for. And then we're paying $250 a night. This is a night, people, for in the illegal immigrant bed. And we ain't talking about the cell phones and the credit cards and all this other mess. And these people are in our Times Square. I'm not even in New York, but I got plenty family there.

Community Safety Concerns

You in Times Square popping off the police again. You're biting them in the head. Come on, y'all. That's insane, Sean. It's insane. So, yeah, they wanted to put it on the big thing. Kid in cages. Kid in cages. AOC crocodile tears at the damn border. Okay, so what about these Biden beds? Let's talk about that, sister. Sean, can you, can you just say unburdened by what has been? I don't really understand what you're saying. What's the question?

Political Dynamics and Unaddressed Issues

Oh, no, I think. I think he was just giving you a Kamala Harris like quote. That's all, I think. Oh, okay, we're done. Kamala, Cac. Okay, we don't. All right, let me tell you something we're not dealing with. I call a cackling Kamala. We're not dealing with cackling how about. How about thank a union member? Thank you. I. I do believe in unions. I do. And you're gonna need a goddamn union, because guess what?

Unionization and Labor Conflicts

You're gonna have to fight with the damn Mexicans in the elites. So if you think a union is bad, you better think again. Hey, crypto, I'm gonna. I fold my chair, but thank you for your time. Thanks. Hey, crypto, I'll take off. but I did want to make one quick mention because she brought up your place, G. And then Jen gonna go to New York with G in a second. So.

Addressing Housing Concerns

So Kamala's 3 million houses plan that she announced at the DNC, and she talked and she brought up, I don't know if anybody else paid attention, but it quickly in the ads and in the pressers in the days, literally the hours to follow, changed from 3 million houses to 3 million houses and rental homes. Okay. And it's extremely important to point out, because what you saw happen in the EU for several years leading up to this and what you're seeing happen in Canada is that they are these leftist politicians, these communist politicians, they are using federal lands and also using eminent domain to take family lands to build these apartments and houses, and they're giving them to these asylum migrants.

Political and Economic Implications

Not to their citizens. So keep that in mind if the election doesn't go as I think someone is in the room, hopes. Keep that in mind in the years to follow what's going to take place, because it will be an issue. See you guys. Dead air, crypto. I got kicked out of the space, so I had to. Don't know why. I think that's probably Chris and probably Thomas down there reporting me. Just joking, of course.

Final Thoughts and Takeaways

All right, g, you're in New York. Mayor Eric Adams, Sanctuary city. Listen, listen. You voted them in. You get what you get and you don't have any regrets. Okay? Whatever with that. I have a question for. Well, hold on, g. Hold on. I need to know. Did you vote Mayor Eric Adams in? I didn't vote for any of it. That's right, because you're on the island. You're on the island, g.

Local Governance and Political Issues

Doesn't matter. I didn't vote for it when I was in Brooklyn. So like I said, I have a question for Hart, if I may. You may. I have a little bit of a concern. Concern with, you know, bringing back judges only because I think it's, you know, it's clear that this is something that is planned. So I don't know if I can trust any judge that they pull back. I can't trust the ones that are there to actually make the right calls because this has been a coordinated effort.

Trust Issues in the Judicial System

There's more than one person involved. These people aren't leaving. And I just, you know, I don't know how that would work out. Hart, that's where I get kind of like a little bit when I was listening to you, kind of like, eh, you know, sounded, you know, because at first it sounded good, and then the thought sunk in, we can't trust anyone anymore. We wouldn't be at the place we are if we could.

Concerns over Trust in the System

So my thought is to you, what do you think about that? Well, so there, for instance, the Biden administration came in and worked with immigration attorneys to get a bunch of Trump-appointed immigration judges fired on, pardon the pun, trumped-up allegations. So one of them is a guy whose last name is O'Brien, who used to work for the immigration think tank fair, the Federation of Americans for immigration reform. He knew a lot about immigration law and he was, I believe, a part, like, impartial immigration judge.

Political Pressure on Judges

But a cabal of immigration attorneys basically conspired and filed a bunch of allegations about him being, you know, him being partial and, etcetera. And he ended up getting fired before the end of his probationary period. So, I mean, there have been shenanigans that have been going on behind the scenes regarding immigration judges that don't expect Americans to understand, but they're like, you can basically bring back, you don't have to necessarily bring back immigration judges. You only have to bring back a judge who is a, you know, not a congressional appointee.

Administrative Law and Judge Appointments

So it would have been an administrative law judge. So we don't have to bring back filthy leftist immigration retired judges. But I mean, even a lot of them, in fairness, still rule against these people because I had concerns when the Biden administration took office that a lot of the filthy leftist judges that already exist would blow asylum, like through the roof. Everybody was going to get granted it, but the stats actually show that the grant rate is going down because we've gotten to the point where cases are so ridiculous now that even bias leftist judges from, you know, the worst liberal arts school you can think of are like, this is total crap.

Current Trends in Asylum Rulings

I can't sign my name on this. And, and they're saying, no, your case is denied. Thanks, Hart. g, anything else before I come back? No, thank you. Thank you. Okay. Don't act like you catch just a hinge off that crypto to what people have to realize if you look at the cases that EOIRTAIN, which is part of DOJ, has cleared already. Okay. And I think it's like 140,000 this year. They still have only granted, I think it's like 13 18%, which has gone up a little bit, but not insanely so.

Analysis of Immigration Case Outcomes

Even with the push of the administration to try to get people more on their side and bring in people they think would be more, you know, leftist, let's just be straight up and say it. It hasn't worked to that advantage. That is the reason why they even proposed having asylum officers involved in that process because CIS is littered with these people that there is no recourse against. They can't just fire them like they can the administrative judges, like because they're federal employees.

Challenges with Asylum Officers

So unless they get prove malice or misfeasance or something like that, now you're going down another whole can of worms. So I don't think that, you know, the judges per se are that amenable to going with the program as well as some of these people who are just linked to the executive branch. Sure. Before I go to Jen, let me go to wid because I know he has a hard stop at ten wood, always a pleasure to have you in.

Discussion on Current Events and Public Figures

I'm like, you know, and I guess their kids all started out as major. I'm like, imagine if Donald Trump cleared House of some of these woke generals. And he said people like Gordon Ramsay or Dana White of the UFC. Gordon Ramsay, the hook. And, oh, yeah, you see the way he runs. Hell's your risotto is fucking disgusting. Right? I give, I give him a stars to the Brits, Mark. Move on. I give him a star. But you, the pork in this government is out of control. Oh, who's that other guy that does, does bar rescue? Oh, geez. All right, I'm moving on. I'm moving on. That guy's like, no, he's like six foot 400. Go to the Pentagon. I don't care. He's in the Pentagon. Just let him run room. He runs a bar. Marcus Crypto. I go, he runs with. Mark's done. I got one more. Yeah, he's perfect for the Pentagon, then. Come on. Perfect. He doesn't have to leave the Pentagon. He could just go meeting to meeting, just straightening shit out, throwing. Throwing woke generals out. It'd be incredible.

Reality TV Show Ideas and Interesting Personalities

And you could probably do. You could probably make this an awesome reality tv show. What about Hulk Hogan? Call it, like, he'd probably be like, a four star general. Give him two. He gets to give him to. All right, yeah, I'm down with that. I just want to tell you guys one. One last thing, and I'll totally land. for those of you that don't know, I'm sure some of you do and have an idea. What you saw in New Hampshire today with Kamala was bullshit. They literally bust those people in. That's not even a local bus company. That company comes from fucking Massachusetts. They bust all those people. People in. They staged at water country in Portsmouth and drove down to, like, the biggest soy bar on the soy bar brewery that we have, other than Hobbs Brewery, because they actually hosted fucking beta will roark. Like, I. And in an area like, where Hobbs is. Is like, the entire section of the state where that is. Is all red and they fucking hosted Beta O'Rourke and their business fucking tanked.

Political Insights on New Hampshire's Voters

But, yeah, what you guys saw today is not indicative of. Of New Hampshire voters like that. That was not New Hampshire voters. They bust all those motherfuckers in the. From. From Boston. That's a guarantee. That wasn't you in the second row, Rob. That was me. Yeah. That was me in the second row with the Boston Red Sox fucking hat on Jack radio, or it never happened. That is true. All right, let me go to Jesse. Thanks for waiting around. Thanks for the opportunity contribute from state 48 here. So one of the challenges we've seen, and it started when resident Biden puppet said to rush the border is a lot of people in this area have lost critical thinking skills. We can't even describe things properly. People don't say illegal invaders. They don't say that people are being brought over for the rape culture.

Concerns About Immigration and Ideological Shifts

I mean, when's the last time you heard of somebody age twelve giving consent to have sex? It's all rape. So, unfortunately, you know, I think that we've got 30 million Marxists that are homegrown in the country and a number of the 30 million that have been brought over that are single military age men that are going to fight, too. So what are we looking at in areas like Aurora and Chicago? New York City, they're going to fight patriots if and when they stand up, if and when they get a signal on their government phone to become a. Not Obama's shadow army, but active. So I think we're at a precipice now and have been for quite a while, that we're not really even in a civil war. It's been a culture war for generations, which I think our side lost. We conceded. But really now we're in an inverse revolutionary war because the people in charge, the psychopathic overlords in our establishment class and their foot soldier minions, Antifa, BLM, so on and so forth.

Anxiety About Civil Unrest and Stand-Up Movements

I'm just, I'm anxious about the day that they choose to pick up arms and push thin blue lines like an aurora, Colorado, into a corner. When are we, the people, going to have to stand up? Thanks again. Thanks, Jesse. I agree. I've always thought, you know, when you see just these lines and lines, if you follow Dan and if you follow lid, and if you follow border Hawk news, you know, they have some great video of just people crossing the line, you know, coming across the border. And the question becomes, you know, what are they here for? We don't know. But what happens if these people activate, if there's that plan behind it? And, yeah, that's going to be a bad day, I think.

Pondering Future Communicational Possibilities

Let me go to the United spot. What is this guy doing tonight if he's there? How you doing? Thank you for having me on your show. I really appreciate it. Means a lot. Yeah. So I just wanted to reflect on some of the things that you guys. Mark, is he talking? I can't hear him. I ride with the dope. I'll just be back. You know what? I'm coming back. I'm coming. He's coming back. Is dropping. Let me send them an invite. Was the united spot talking? Crypto? I couldn't hear him, but Mark. Oh, I can't hear him either, but we couldn't. He's coming back up right now. All right, he's united. Spot, are you there? yeah, there we go. That's, that's the voice. There you go.

Reflections on Experiences and Personal Connections

That'll take, that'll take you pickle. There. All right. Yeah. So I just wanted to reflect on some of the conversations you're having. I ride with the Del Fuegos and, you know, they, these Venezuelans, you know, they burned down our bar, you know, so we had to go to Madrid, and we're looking for these fucking guys. So that's what we've been doing out here, you know, and we tried to, you know, we took a little break. It goes skinny dipping and shit like that. You know, we just guys being guys out on the road, you know, doing that thing here. But I wanted to reflect also on Mark. I gotta tell you something. For a little guy, this guy's got a bunch of hot here. So I'm listening to this guy tackle, you know, the Krasinstein brothers, and there's so much bass in his voice, you know, which is very high, because the guy's got fucking Peter Brady fucking technology.

Comparisons and Humorous Insights

And, I mean, he sounds like a fucking going through puberty for the last 40 fucking years. But the way that he demolished the crass. I would like to see a cage match, because it would be like fucking Webster, you know, fucking, you know, fighting fucking ponky Brewster. And I accept. I think it would be great. I think we get these two guys fucking stepladder. Mark will be fucking straight up fucking eye and eye contact. So I think it'd be great to set up something like a celebrity boxing or something. That'd be awesome. Mark, if you check your DM's. Did you see that? Joma, put something out. Okay. Yeah. All right. Yeah, yeah, we. Thanks, man.

Challenges Faced by Veterans

I. You know, I. I rarely. Rarely, would accept a public fight, but with the Crassus. A mark. A mark. How much porn do you watch? That was so weird, wasn't it? What's your favorite site, Mark? Oh, that's interesting. Thanks for noticing. That's interesting. Mark, would you. Would you get down to the level of pulling the Krasinstein's hair, if needed, cubes? Okay, okay, all right, all right. Mark, Mark, would you get. Okay, we're gonna move on. We're gonna move on from that. But listen, I want to see it. I want to see it now. Mark, you know, they're. You know, they are. They are shorter than you, which is saying something, considering your three foot six and your license. Can you take both at the same time, or is it one after the other?

Conversations about Injury and Resilience

I gotta stretch, make sure I can still kick. Yeah, let me. Let me. Let me figure that out. Yeah, because last time you ran, you pulled your hammock. Yeah. Wow. That wasn't the last time. Yeah. Yeah. This guy. I haven't thrown a kick. This guy kicks the ball. This guy kicks the ball. And kickball. He's running to first base, and he pulls the hammy. Pulls it. Pulls it. Jack, right it out. Blew it out. Every. It sounded like a fucking bomb. It's. Yeah. And I still was safe at first. And it is. It is officially. He's like, you go. You going head first? He's like. He's like, I'm safe first, right? Right.

Anecdotes of Playing and Competing

And I. And I was. And I did stay on the bag because everybody saw it and they're like, you all right? I was like, I don't know. And then, you know, and then next. Next contact, I. I stumbled to second. And when I say stumbled, I made it like 10ft. And they're like, yeah, you need to leave. And I was like, yep, yeah, this guy was on. So then now it's. Now it's. Now it's an official part of my VA record. Lots of rehab right there. Took me. Took me a year. Took me a year to. Took me a year to run. Jack, Jack, we're going to be paying for permanent disability because it's fucking hamstring. Wait, so you got pulled from a kickball game?

Reflections on Recreational Experiences

Oh, yeah, yeah. It's. You know how hard it is to get pulled from kickball? Yeah, it's tough. That's tough. I was a pitcher too, so you know the team. You mean a roller? I threw a curve. I could put a little bounce on it. The old bounce is tough because if it gets too high, you kick it off your shin, it goes sideways. Well, they'll call it a ball. They've had too much bounce yet. Know your umpires out there. Air Force kickball games, you know you're dealing with. That's true. All right, let me head down to Minuteman, then I'm going to head back to G. Who voted for Mayor Adams minute. Mayor.

Reflections on Military Service and Community

Hey, gentlemen, thank you for the mic. I appreciate it. I think some of the people kind of. Kind of went over what I wanted to say. So essentially what I wanted to say is that these people are allowed to stay here. They are housed. They are given money, benefits. They are taking care of. They're getting some benefits that most Americans work their fucking ass off for. For a majority of their life. And like, for example, for me, you know, for me, I'm a veteran, 21 years of service in the air force. I work my fucking ass off and waiting to try and get my retirement and benefits. And these people come in the country. So they're essentially, they're entitled.

Concerns Over Rights and Legal Implications

They're given rights. Any of us that want to stand up to these people, they will be treated as Americans with rights. I think I mentioned. I think I heard somebody mention that they have second amendments rights or they're given some sort of. I'm not sure if that's. That's right or not. If they are men. There was a case, and I know that Paul or Hart can correct me here, but there was a case, essentially, it was a 922 gun case. And I want to say it was an illegal. And the court said, well, it doesn't matter. This person can have a gun. Am I right on that, guys? Or did I. Yeah, he was illegal. Yeah.

Legal Rulings and Thoughts on Rights

Was in Chicago, of all places. Okay, well. Well, hold on a minute. Hold on 1 second. Before you get all into it, the fifth circuit just ruled against that, so there's got to be problems with this one. But anyway, keep going. Okay, so, yeah, I mean, these people are going to be. These people are going to be propped it up by lawyers. These people are going to be propped it up by. By anyone to defend them. And I think to, like, even to Jen's point, you know, it's. It would just be another Gen January 6, where it would just be hunted down. Anyone, anyone considered a.

Reflection on Domestic Violence and Government Responses

An America first, a patriot, anyone that wants to uphold and defend our constitution, you know, we'll be met in some way or another, either by force, with justice, or, you know, you would have, like, antifa, BLM, all these scumbags, like communists and socialists in this country that hate this country, you know, they'll get called up, you know, for some specific duty or some job, and. And it's going to be like, somebody like me, upstanding citizen, serving our country, serve my community, that's going to face, like, jail time or court time. And those scumbags will, you know, will be bailed out or we won't have to worry about. Those people are going to be walking out on the streets at night doing what they.

Community Safety Concerns

Their purpose, their intention is to try and divide us and to break down this country even more. While we're worried about, you know, the legal system, what's going to happen to us putting food on the table, those motherfuckers aren't gonna worry about shit. So I think it's just gonna come down to one. I mean, you to the final, you know, maybe stand where we actually, people coming together. It's gonna be more than just on ex. Actually, people like. Like getting together in groups and, you know, and I don't know what's gonna happen because our legal system is not gonna throw these people out like that just because they're here legally.

Worries About Legal Enforcement

They're. They're. They're being. They're being supported. So I know a lot of people already kind of mentioned some of the stuff. That's what I wanted to say. So I appreciate the mike. Of course. Thanks, bud. And, yeah, November 5 and the days after are going to be a big day. I mean, I think we can all, I mean, we can all assume that not all the states are going to have their votes in by the fifth. And then after that there's going to be some law fair and, you know, yeah, I mean, that coupled with illegal immigration, I mean, yeah, there could be a day where things go a little further than that.

Calls to Action and Community Engagement

I mean, I can see, I mean, our local. I mean, yes, we definitely want to go door to door, talk to people, right. To sway their minds and understand why it's important to have a constitution and why they're here, but culture has changed. Yeah, they're here for. They're here for fucking money. They don't care. They don't care about the constitution, about. About this or that. There's a small amount, I'll give that, you know, always have to throw it in there. There's a small amount, but not enough. Not enough people are gonna care. So going to door, I think that's gonna be like, that's gonna expire soon.

Concerns Over Local Governance and Community Changes

As soon as some of these people get into our local governments. You know, that, like audit. Audit office, tax offices, all this shit. I think you're gonna see a. Going to see a lot worse coming our way. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you guys. Appreciate it. Thank you. And if anyone, you know, I've heard a lot of numbers on what people who come in illegally and they sign up and, you know, I'm curious if anyone knows at some point, not for tonight per se, but just in general on how much do they get per month for food?

Reflections on Public Assistance and Benefits

For, you know, just for their. If they have an EBT card, you know, if they. If they get a food stamp card, how much goes on it? If, you know, if they have benefits, what are they? I'm just curious. I know we kind of tossed these around. I'm not sure if somebody mentioned like 3000 a month. Yeah, I mean, I heard something before with some woman. She was getting interviewed and they said that the person gets. I don't know if it was. I'm not even going to say whether it was 1500 or 2000 a month plus. Food plus. But I'm actually curious what the breakdown is if anyone ever actually gets their hands on any documents on that, but.

Reflections on Community Life and Engagement

All right, g, we're heading back to the Big Apple. No crypto. I did not vote for him anyway. Well, you couldn't vote for him, G, because you're on Long island. I'm not on. Oh, whatever. I am wherever you want me to be. Thank you. Thank you, honey. Go ahead. I have to push back on something Rob said. Nice. And Rob's back. Here we go. You know, I don't necessarily think it's that the police in Aurora are afraid, because what we have going on here right now with our mayor and the top rest of the NYPD, which he appeals, disappointed.

Reflections on Law Enforcement Readiness

They're all ring kissers. So whatever the mayor wants is what the rank and file are going to do. It's not like they take it upon themselves and they're like, okay, this is how we're going to do things, boys. I think it's probably the same way in Aurora. Is anybody talking? I can't hear anybody. Who's that? Yeah. Geez. Talking. I was actually scrolling. Was that heart? I don't know. It was minute man. I don't think he can. I think he can't hear Jane. Okay. minute man. That's okay. I'll just drop down. Carrots always helped me go to the bathroom.

Reflections on Crime and Community Safety

Ridiculous. Go ahead, Jake. No, I really. You know, being that it's a dim city, I would just think that, you know, it's probably the same way there. Whoever the mayor there put in place is running things, and they are taking command from the upper breast. So I don't necessarily see it as. We can just paint them all with. You know, a lot of people are with this broad brush today. I don't know, every space I go, but we could, you know, paint all the officers as being afraid to go up on these Venezuelans. You just can't make a decision.

Calls to Action and Societal Responses

Hey, look. Hey, guys, let's, you know, bum rush. This joint ain't happening, so I just wanted to push back on that a little. Well, let me ask you, G. How do you think it happened? Because, you know, where I live in south Florida, we certainly have blue areas. We have Palm beach and Broward, which are pretty damn blue. And then, you know, there's other little pockets up in Orlando that's blue. And then, you know, Tallahassee itself is blue in Leon county. But down here, you know, when Antifa or when BLM was out on I 95.

Reflections on Local Governance

And again, maybe it's because Palm Beach county has money. Broward county has money. These people were dragged off I 95 in a heartbeat. So I couldn't imagine. I mean, all the riots were shut down immediately. Palm Beach county sheriff's office was out. I couldn't imagine who your governor is. Also, you see, when. Right. This was done locally, though. I mean. I mean, I have a lot of friends in law enforcement and all. And all of the orders from the sheriff was, this shit's not going to fly here. But you know, you got to understand, over here in my city, I can't.

Reflections on Law Enforcement and Support

And to that point, I can't speak for Aurora. But what I can't tell you, or whatever it's called, I. There is no sheriff running anything in New York City. None. So are you saying it's feasible that a group of people could take over a condo apartment building absolutely. Here and get away with it? Probably, yeah. Hey, listen, they were all holed up in the best five star, four and five star hotels in Manhattan, so. Right, but I'm talking about going into a private building and essentially living with and.

Potential Threats to Community Safety

Or even evicting the tenants. I wouldn't put it past being a possibility, yes. Gotcha. Yeah. Because that shit would never fly down here in south Florida. And blue or red, it doesn't matter. Each, each area is different, but in New York City, there are no sheriffs. None. You know, I like, you know when people say, call your Uncle Sheriff and you got to vote for your local sheriff? I'm like, what sheriff? We don't have any here. So I don't know if it's the same over there, but I do know that Mayor Adams appointed the people that are in charge here and each and every one of them, you name it, transit, be crimes, whatever, just they're all ring kissers appointed by him.

Reflections on Community Safety and Governance

And NYPD is working, let me tell you that. Badass. They will find you. They will. What happens after that, and I feel bad for them, is not on them because they get the perpetrators and then they just get released. Or the truck, the charges get down, dropped to misdemeanors and everybody walks. And it's just a rinse and repeat cycle here. Mark, what say you in dirty jersey? Could, could a group of people walk over in your area where you live and take over a private condo building? Not, overtly, there's, there, you know, there are plenty of like regular old drug american criminal sets that take over.

Conversations on Crime and Community Dynamics

Yeah, but I'm talking about like taking over like a, you know, ten or 15 story condo building and you know, just essentially keeping the people fucking hostage. Like Colorado. I don't think that one in Colorado is ten or 15 story. No, it's not. But I mean, I know there's larger buildings. Okay, whether it's two or three stories. Now, the answer, yeah. Could they go into an apartment complex and take it over regardless of the height. No, no. And I'm with you. Crypto. Blue, blue or red area. Is. Is probably the relevance.

Critiques of Local Law Enforcement

Would probably be. So what's wrong with Colorado then? You know, that's the big question. Well, I don't. I don't know enough about it, but I would say that where. Where Miss G says, you know, these cops aren't scared. Let me tell you guys something. There are a ton of scared cops. There are many. Get it right, Mark. Pay attention when we're speaking. Listen, there are a ton of terrified cops who. And you know how you know, this is if you really break down their stats, especially in a city.

Understanding Law Enforcement Dynamics

If there's a cop, a patrolman, let's. Let's be specific. And they have years and years on the job, and you can't find one use of force, one fight. They call them backup queens there. They. They will keep their day occupied with backing up other police officers, which is cool. Okay. You definitely got to back up your guys. But they will initiate nothing. They will never, ever initiate a call, a robbery in front of them, and they will look the other way. They exist. Sorry to tell you, there's a ton of them.

Concerns for Community Safety

So. And then I think it was patriot talking about, you know, just about the. The tactical ability yet. Yes. Police in general, largely. And even your SWAT guys. Even your SWAT guys, they're not trained in straight up gunfighting combat. Right. It is a different. Different skill set. You know, the only thing that's the same as it involves a gun. Right? So, you know, if you're. If someone has taken over a building or an apartment complex or something, you know, what's required to retake that ground from armed people is vastly different than even a well trained SWAT team.

Reflections on Law Enforcement Training

An APC with a mod deuce. That's right. Right. So it's like, the nature of the work is. And then lastly, I just think about project 1033. I talk about this once in a while. Remember President Obama when it was politically. Politically convenient for him? You know, this is in the Post. Post George Floyd. Time was. George. I'm sorry. Sorry, not George Floyd. Post Mike Brown. Mike Brown. Ferguson, Missouri. Right. Project 1033, Mike Brown. Because guys are really good fucking journalists.

Reflections on Political Decisions and Public Safety

So it's George Floyd confused with Mike Brown. But good job. Hey, keep going. Thanks, man. Thanks. So. So, yes, it was. It was during that time when Project 1033, which is all the military, you know, surplus military equipment, including weapons, you give them to police departments for like a penny. And he shut that down because he said, you know, the police don't need any weapons of war. You know, these weapons belong on the battlefield. And it's a shame because a lot of, you know, for example, just.

Discussion on Public Safety and Police Preparedness

Just a week after. A week after he wrapped that program up in fantastic political fashion, in New Jersey, no less, in a real rundown city there in. In Texas, there was a man who had problems with police, and he took an armored van, okay, a retired, you know, armored van, and he went throwing bombs throughout Dallas and shooting up all police stations in Dallas. And the police could not stop him until one of the police had one of those military surplus 50 calibers and he was able to shoot him.

Reflections on Community Dynamics and Safety

The only. The only weapon the police had, and they had one. One to penetrate the. The armor. And so it's. It's just. Where did the. Where did the kill Dozer take place? Somewhere in Colorado. Colorado. I think. I think it was Colorado. It's. Crazy story, by the way, guys. Everyone are really, really look up something that killed Mark, though. Yeah. So then, to your point, Mark, why would we be even. You know, because I don't know about the weaponry like you gentlemen do.

Conversations on Policy and Public Safety

Why would we even. We consider the local police going in. It's. It's way above anything they can handle. So whether they're afraid or not, whether they're your night, they're your. They're your 911 service. If you start saying certain things are above the police or not above, you know, you can't. You can't move that bar. As a society, you have 911 because they're your first responders. If you get something like bells on Russia, where a school is taken over by 30 terrorists or so, and they.

Reflections on Preventative Action and Emergency Response

And they occupy it and literally make they. You know, there's poor kids there. You want to talk about, like, what, they lose 150 kids or whatever, you know, and. And that place was occupied for. For weeks. In that case, you know, it. It becomes an army situation. But regardless, we have a society that we've built up three numbers. You dial them and you get immediate first response, which include police officers. The trick is, you know, you want to. You want to attack the situation quickly and, you know, recover it and not let people become hostage takers and terrorists.

Prioritizing Community Safety and Response

You know, you want to avoid that, but. Nah, Miss G, you can always call for more resources, but you got to respond. We build our society on that. On that promise. All right, let me head over to Taylor, who I've had a lot of discussions this week about raw milk. I didn't know that was a lot, but okay. I. I almost sent you there was one. There was a, like, a sciencey one that was about mold. And I didn't think you wanted to read that one, so I didn't send you that one.

Reflections on Health and Safety

So there's. So what you're saying is there's mold and raw milk. Actually, no, they tested from raw milk all the way to, like, super pasteurized milk. And there was more mold that would form with the pasteurized milk versus the raw milk. So, yeah. Anyway, y'all don't want to talk about milk. yeah, and I just want to say real quick, because G was talking about, sheriffs and governors and all of that. Obviously, I'm in a very red state. I'm in a very red city, so I have a really great sheriff.

Community Safety and Support Structures

But I do know that, like, every state is very different in. In the way that their police operations work and all of that. I'm sure Mark can agree with that, even though he's in New Jersey, that every state is extremely different based on how things are set up and the actual residents of the states and everything like that. So there's a lot of factors into it, not just if it's a blue state versus red state, but that's not what I was going to come up here and ask.

Interpretations of Rights and Statutes

I was actually going to ask Paul and Hartley for, if they wouldn't mind. Like, if they would in their own words, because I saw where the Fifth Circuit in New Orleans, it was New Orleans where they said that illegal alien, early illegals could not have the rights to the Second Amendment or the second amendment rights. So in. In the constitution and in the Bill of Rights, it does say citizens, but it also says people. So can y'all, like, clarify, like, why the Fifth Circuit said that and how they came about that, if y'all could?

Legal Interpretations and Public Sentiment

Because I. It confuses me a little bit because it says citizens, but it does say people. Well, since I read the case a little bit, I can. I can give you. And plot. No. And Paul, what. When you do this, if you also. Or if Hart wants to tie in that Gitmo decision, I should. I thought that we should have never getting given. I came and talk. I thought we should have never given Gitmo detainees the constitutional rights. But here we are.

Legal Precedence and Context

Exactly here. Here's the thing, Taylor. There's federal law that's been upheld for years. And we talked about it before, where it's 922. Okay. Which actually states who is allowed to carry a gun in the United States, even though a lot of it is unconstitutional. It does narrow it down to where, if you're a non citizen, illegal alien, whatever you want to call them, they do not have the right to bear a firearm unless they're here legally in the United States. And that's. That's just to boil it down simply.

Legal Rulings and Representation

And the one judge in Chicago that ruled against the DOJ when they charged the illegal alien with the 922 charge is. Is wrong. You know, I mean, she's wrong. And the Fitz circuitous just showed her she's wrong. So we're going to end up seeing this as a fight, because that. That law has been tested. Some parts of it have been tested multiple times. And this was just another test. And basically, in my personal opinion, this was because of what Pritzker has been doing, saying that they would let DACA people become police officers.

Contextualizing Recent Legal Decisions

They're looking for an end run on 922 that way, and this opened the door for it. I think there's more politics involved behind than anything else. And we'll see. Because, you know, when you have two different circuits saying two different things, higher powers get involved, and it might run all the way up. Thanks. Thanks, Paul. Much appreciated. Jack, what's up, man? So New York City has a terrorism task force, right? I don't know how many cities have that, but New York City has a very substantial one.

Insights on Crime Control and Enforcement

That's number one. Number two, most New York City cops I've spoken to over the years, I don't know about, you know, in the last two, three years, but in the past, these guys were. Weren't afraid to. To carry out their duties. Mark, some of them were a little lazy as they got older. So, like Mark was saying, they would, you know, look the other way and stuff. But basically, if you had the collar and the guy's fighting you know, it was your job to.

Community Responsibility and Law Enforcement Preparedness

To get the guy cuffed. You know, you couldn't initiate something like Mark was saying, and then expect your partner to. To do the dirty work. So some of the guys who look the other way just because they were close to the end of shift or shit like that. But I don't think a city like New York, you would have a. I don't know that they would be able to pull off that commandeer bullshit in New York. They certainly have the firepower to deal with that type of shit, so that wouldn't be an issue.

Reflecting on Law Enforcement and Community Dynamics

I've seen plenty of New York cops that have plenty of balls. A lot of them were ex military. Maybe not these days so much, but. But, you know, in the guys I know they're the forties, you know, or the early fifties, guys just retiring now. They didn't have a problem, you know, getting. Getting dirty. As far as Jersey is concerned, I think it's about money, right? Like, I don't know, there's certain neighborhoods that they're not pulling that shit off.

Public Safety and Law Enforcement

Democrat, Republican. None of them want any of that bullshit. So, you know, I don't know how. If you look at Aurora has got 400,000 people in it. It's one of the highest crime rates in the United States. Right? They got, I don't know, 800 cops, something like that. So my suspicion is they let that shit happen in Aurora. I don't think. I don't think you'd fucking just have these gangs show up and. And overwhelm a police force.

Crime Dynamics and Community Safety

The police force has to be told that, you know, you're staying out of there. You're staying away from it. It's kind of like the only thing. Mark and you could weigh in on this, actually, I'd like you to weigh in on it. Newark. What was that guy's name? Booker. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So a city like Newark, senator. Senator Booker now. Senator Booker. So he was the mayor, I think, of Newark. I could see it happening in Newark. Right, because he would lay down and, you know, it would be an orchestrated type thing.

Public Safety and Law Enforcement Preparedness

There are. There's blocks and blocks in Newark that the cops will not patrol. They just don't fucking go down there. They get it. You know, you could call it giving up if you want, but it's. It's not really giving up. Like, oh, we can't wrestle it back from them. It's more like, fuck them. If they want to destroy the area, let them fucking destroy it. Jack, right along your point there. I do want to put one thing out there, is when your administration doesn't back you, and you can lose your career or end up even worse in jail.

Reflections on Police Support and Administration

Okay? And we've seen this countless times with police officers throughout the United States and many of these blue cities when the administration, their mayor, their city council doesn't back them and they hang them out the fucking dry. Why would you do anything? No, that is a mindset. I mean, I'll be honest with you. When I saw what was happening with this administration, I knew they wouldn't back me if I actually went out there and try to do my job properly and push back against what they were doing.

Personal Reflections and Experiences

So I said it, time to go. A lot of these. That's what a lot of these guys are doing. I have a buddy of mine, retired from NYPD last year, said the same thing. He had 30 years on the department. He goes, look, I did my time. I'm not pushing back against these idiots anymore because all it's going to do is cause me to lose my pension or even worse, have me end up in jail. Why am I going to end up in jail? Because those people will put me in jail.

Reflections on Political Safeguards and Actions

And we're seeing this as a constant theme throughout this country because they're trying to put the person that we want in for president in jail. Yeah, no doubt about it. You know, I remember, and I think I mentioned Mark and I talked about this a while ago. My. So a very, very close friend of mine was a retired NYPD sergeant. And he basically said, like they used to have in the meetings, they would say, billy Dilly, we're all going home. We all go home tonight, right? Which was code for fuck those people.

Public Sentiment and Safety Concerns

You know, don't put yourself at risk. Like, and I know that sounds horrible, but that's the way these guys looked at the job. No one wanted to get shot. My buddy used to pull people over. If the hair stood up on his arms, he just shut the lights off and pulled away knowing it was a stolen car. If it was. If the car was full, you had three, four occupants in it, he would say, fuck this. It's 230 in the morning. Backup is like seven, eight minutes away.

Concerns for Law Enforcement and Community Relations

So, you know, I mean, they don't back up. The cops. They don't back them up. Like Paul was saying, if you're going to lose your pension over a traffic stop. Same thing with chases, right, mark? The car chases and stuff. New Jersey's the most ridiculous guidelines for pursuits there in the whole country. You can't chase shit, right? Even when they radio dispatch, they say they're following. Oh, I'm just. I'm observing. They never say I'm in pursuit because that's a first class ticket to fucking losing your pension, getting fired, possibly jailed in a lawsuit against the city.

Implications on Safety and Community Engagement

So these guys have code. They don't even talk when they get pulled over. That's a big issue, Jack. That's a big issue. Those pursuits. Yeah, because a lot of people die. Yeah, but, you know, like, even when he gets pulled over, my buddy would get pulled over. He just put his badge on his leg. He wouldn't say a word because the. Because the body can. You don't say a word. You just put the thing on your leg. Let the other cop see you're a cop.

Reflections on Community Safety Guidelines

And. Oh, okay, well, have an. Have a nice night. In other words, you know, you don't start anything that's going to get the fucking ball rolling where you're going to put, you know, another guy, another cop, you know, in a bad spot. So, you know, it's fucked up. Mark, Mark, you probably know a whole lot about this. Yeah, unfortunately. But I would say, you know, it's like the, like you said, you described some real tough, you know, some real tough cops and everything.

Disarming Without Violence

Yeah, hopefully if you're an able bodied person, you're able to disarm that kid without having to resort to ending his life or putting him in the hospital. But, you know, there is. There is that thought process in mind when it comes to that situation, and it is being asked, at least where I work, they are asking the SRDs these questions because of what happened at Marjorie Stoneman Douglas with that was there. Yeah, they saw that problem little. And here's the other thing. Just recently, we were at a training not to give up all the training, but they had ftle out there. And it was one of the guys who actually went into the pulse nightclub to take out that shooter in the post nightclub in Orlando. And he's giving a class, you know, trying to give you a realistic scenario where you actually end up, you know, coming to terms with the bad guy after running through a group of people.

Impressive Training

Pretty impressive, you know, considering, you know, how national money is not thrown at this. This is being done by the state. So I was impressed by. By the training and the thought processes. Well, I'm so good to hear. So good. I'm so glad to hear that. But I would probably say that two things. One, you said it, like, still in Douglas, you know, South Florida, you know, reliving that. That. But I mean, so I'm pleasantly surprised to hear that. But I mean, law enforcement in general, like, that's really good. That's really good that school district or whatever is focused on knowing they need a righteous shooter, you know, in the building. But look at the recruiting efforts with the secret service, with the FBI, with your state police.

Need for Diversity in Law Enforcement

We need minorities. We need women. You're not hearing anything about. We need guys with courage or girls, whatever. We need people with courage. We need people with ability. Okay, none of that. And so. But, but that's good. I'm glad to hear that, Paul. Thanks for checking me. The kids will be a little safer now. All right, let me head over. Let me head over to Brad, who's been waiting. Brad, what's up, man? Hey, man, thank you, crypto, for having me. I think that we lose sight of the big picture, man. We all know what the founding fathers went through and he was rich, guys. And he said, fuck it. We're going to stand up and we just got to do the right thing and tell the truth, man, and be responsible for it.

A Call to Action

Yeah, I agree, Brad. Thanks, brother. Let me head over. Cookie, I'm on my way to you, buddy. Let me head over to standing citizen. Hey, bud. Yeah, I do appreciate the opportunity to speak, fellas. You know, I really, I can't stay very long. I'm going to try to get a haircut here, but I do happen to live in a, in San Diego county. And, you know, I did notice a post regarding, more or less, the judiciary committee from the federal government is going to be at a local city hall on Friday. And I did post that in the message board, the purple pill. And there's a. So there's, you know, it's Friday morning at 09:00 a.m. and there's a lot of concerned people here in San Diego.

Border Concerns

You know, really, I've had the opportunity to kind of go check out what's going on at the border, and it's certainly not good. So we're trying to be loud. I know I'm going to fight like hell to be down there. I. Wish me luck tomorrow, I guess. But for anybody that's interested and maybe knows people in the area or whatnot, feel free to check it out. I appreciate everybody in here for giving a shit, more or less. And God bless everybody. Thanks, buddy. I appreciate it. And, guys, usually I don't give a foreshadow like this, but I have a hard stop at eleven, so I know we have quite a few requests still. So I'm gonna go to cookie and then United spot, and then I'll go to the co host.

Community Policing and Changes in Law Enforcement

Cookie, what's up, man? Hey. Not a whole lot. Hey, you know, years ago, we started this thing called community policing where we had to be approachable by the citizens. We got rid of black and white cars. We got rid of, you know, carrying a, you know, a big belly stick. You know, we just, went this whole different direction than where we had been. We were, they were trying to become more professional and do it all kind of thing. When I started in 93, that was, at least in Wyoming, that was the very end of where you could actually go and do something. You know, somebody got up in your face, you could give them a nice shot somewhere and, you know, they didn't do it again.

Decline of Police Authority

Or you can pin them up against the wall or grab their neck and have a come to Jesus meeting, but that all changed. And it has gone down so far down from what we used to be able to do to where now guys can't do anything. And, you know, there's a study out there and I'd have to find it again, but it took 30. It went with, sorry, 100 officers. Each officer served 30 years. Only one out of all of those officers in all of those years would actually be engaged in a kind of gunfight. Pull the trigger now, you know, we have these territories that are taken over, but then they want us to go in and. And take that stuff back or go and deal with that stuff.

Concerns About Training

Marcus said it, Paul said, we're not trained to do that kind of stuff. Even the SWAT guys, you know, if you're one of the hot hut boys, you know, we're trained to deal with two or three people, you know, maybe four or five at the most, but not a whole, you know, 30 something, hundred, something like that. You know, we're accountable for our rounds. So, I mean, these guys can just pop off. You know, it's not like going in. You know, if you're over in Iraq and you can go in and into a city and, you know, go door to door fighting, you know, it's just we are not built that way.

Military vs. Police Capability

And you can't. The military, you know, they're. They're not gonna, you know, I don't think they could take law enforcement action within the states. I could be wrong, but I don't think they can. And that's what they would be doing. But they're going to be hamstruck by the same constructs that we are or that I was at the time. And Mark talked about the colonel there in his books. Grossman, that guy, I went to several his conferences and stuff and has read his books, and he's 100% right on all of his stuff. And, you know, our hiring, we hire shit people.

Concerns About Officer Performance

I've been on calls where shots have been fired, not even at us. And, you know, here's a deputy running away and it's their fucking call. You know, there's cowards in, you know, in every field. But, you know, we're, you know, we're trying to go deal with those situations, but not everybody can do it. Not even when they wear the badge, not even if they've been there 1015 years. You know, it does take a certain mindset and a certain mindset to go in, not think about the circumstance, but go in and deal with that. And then you deal with that stuff afterwards.