Space Summary
The Twitter Space Ama with @PlayFiGaming hosted by TheApeList_. Delve into the world of NFTs with @PlayFiGaming as they share valuable insights for BAYC, CryptoPunks, MAYC, BAKC, and Meebits holders. The discussion emphasizes the significance of community exclusivity, engagement, and leveraging tools like AlphabotApp within NFT spaces, fostering connectivity and value for participants. Discover how nurturing community relationships can drive sustainability and growth in the dynamic realm of NFTs and gaming.
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Questions
Q: How does community exclusivity impact NFT value?
A: Exclusivity among holders can drive up the desirability and perceived value of NFT collections.
Q: Why is engagement with diverse NFT communities crucial?
A: Interacting with varied NFT holders fosters a sense of inclusivity and broadens participation within the space.
Q: What benefits does AlphabotApp provide for NFT and gaming communities?
A: AlphabotApp offers valuable insights and tools that empower users to engage effectively and make informed decisions within NFT and gaming circles.
Q: How does community connection impact the sustainability of NFT spaces?
A: Building strong community relationships is key to sustaining interest, participation, and growth within NFT environments.
Highlights
Time: 00:15:47
NFT Collection Value and Community Exclusivity Exploring how exclusive communities impact the value of NFT collections.
Time: 00:25:32
Diverse NFT Engagement Strategies Discussing the importance of engaging with various NFT holder communities.
Time: 00:35:19
AlphabotApp Insights for NFT and Gaming Utilizing AlphabotApp to gain valuable insights for navigating NFT and gaming landscapes.
Key Takeaways
- Community exclusivity adds value to NFT collections.
- Engagement with diverse NFT holder communities enhances participation.
- Leveraging AlphabotApp for insights into NFTs and gaming communities.
- The importance of fostering community connections within NFT spaces.
Behind the Mic
Introduction and Greetings
Hey, what's up, everybody? I just spoke for a minute while I had the mic muted. I was basically talking to myself. Hope everybody's well. This is Cesar. And welcome, Gyro. Hope everything's well with you. Pleasure. Pleasure to be here with yourself. And I just couldn't take it anymore. I had to unmute to get that. That amazing music off the. Off the. Off the speaker. Thanks for having me. And glad to meet you as well.
Sound Check and Participant Introduction
Yeah. How do you. Loud and clear. How do I sound? You sound clear to me. Perfect. Awesome. So I'm just waiting for the playfly account to log on and invite them up as well. Are we expecting anybody else to speak or. It's just you and the playfi account? Just me and Arias. Who's our founders gonna be joined from the Playfi account is aware of it. We spoke 15 minutes ago, so should be here soon. Sure. I see him. So the Playfi account. I'll invite you as I see you requested, but I'll also send you an invite to co host as well. You just got to accept that co host invite. And if that didn't flash, of course, across your screen, I mean, I could always accept your request to speak, which I'll do right now as well.
Engagement and Connection
Oh, there you go. I think you got it. Yep. Perfect. Hello. I made it in. You did? How are you? Yes, sir. Good to be here. Yes, my pleasure. This is Cesar. I'm a co founder of a list and Alphabet with. With a few of my partners. And, you know, we are. We are more than. More than grateful to be here with you guys and. And listen to what you guys are bringing to web three, especially. You know, I'm excited about the AI space myself, and I know you guys are your. That's your niche as well.
Waiting and Introduction Opportunity
So I can't wait to hear a little bit about more what about what you're building and get a little alpha and, you know, a little. A little more clarity on what exactly you're doing. So I think we'll give it maybe another 1 minute, let some more people get in here, and then we will get started. But I think maybe for the first minute, while we're waiting, you can give a brief introduction about yourself if you'd like. So I know I have Gyro. Who's what? Who. What name do I have on the. On the Playfi account? You've got Ben, the founder of Playfi, coming at you from the official Playfi account.
Self-Introduction by Participants
You can also find me on x as Arias xYz. Amazing. Ben and a pleasure to be here with you as well. This is Cesar, and I will say this before we get started, so I am not the best with pinning posts on the top of the spaces, and I've rubbed a few in the past, so I tend to just stay away from it. Now, I did make you both co host, so if you have, you knowledge and are confident that you won't rug the space, feel free to post any tweets on the top of the page that you'd like and then we could take it from there and maybe you just give you and Gyro both give a little brief introduction about yourself, and then we'll take it into play fi.
Founding Vision and Background
Awesome. Well, let me kick off Ben, the founder of playfi, in some form. I've been working on this idea for the past three years, and in the last six months have sort of been able to build out the team to really pull this together. And I'm fascinated by this sort of intersection between artificial intelligence, web three, which I love. I've been in crypto since 2018, and then live content, which is half of all global Internet traffic every day. And so Playfi is sort of this dream to bring all those things together and hopefully build something pretty special.
Personal Background in Gaming and Crypto
Hey, everyone. So I'm Giro Blade. I am the product lead over at Play Fi. I actually have a game development background, so I worked professionally in the game industry for about 15 years. I'm based out of Brooklyn, New York, and I've worked on pretty much every type of game you can imagine, from mobile games, PC games, interactive installations, and museums, all kinds of different stuff. And I've also been in crypto since 2014. I got started writing for a cryptocurrency magazine, actually, back then.
Transition to Web 3 Games
So I've been in both these spaces a long time, and in the last few years, I feel like these spaces have really kind of matured enough and developed the communities and tools and infrastructure that make it a good intersection of those two worlds for me. So I've been doing web three games for a couple of years now. In the last six months, I've moved over from doing a lot more engineering and design and development and over into the product side of things here at Play Fi to make sure that I bring over a lot of our experience working with games, working with interactive media, which we do a lot with Play Fi.
Community Building Focus
It's all focused on live and interactive stuff and a lot on community building as well. So I'm very focused on building communities, especially coming from a lot of the indie game space. So that's about me and glad to be here. Amazing. And, yeah, perfect introduction. Another fellow New Yorker right here, Cesar, from Long Island. But, I definitely could tell just by the way you speak that you're, you know, you're from the same area, but I could tell.
Regional Connections
The same about you. I was thinking that myself. Yeah, amazing. So, I mean, I do get Boston sometimes because I think out on the eastern end of Long Island, we get a little New England accent as well. But I never lived there and never will live there. So I am through and through, born and bred New Yorker. I don't know if I'm happy about that anymore, but I used to because New York has really gone to shit. But, we'll stay away from that.
Interest in Artificial Intelligence
But, so, play fi. I love it. So, I am fascinated myself about artificial intelligence. And although I'm not an expert by any means, I do love to host, you know, any space where a project is focusing on artificial intelligence, because I, I need to wrap my head around it more. And I have gained a little bit of knowledge through these spaces. So I continue to host them because we do have another host that does Ama's, but I felt inclined to do this one myself.
Upcoming Sale and Project Clarity
So, with that being said, play fi, I know you guys have a big sale coming up in a few days, which, you know, people should be in the know about, and why don't you, whoever judge Gyro Ben, it's up to you guys. Who wants to take this? Why don't you just give us a little clarity in general about what you guys are doing and with the node and how you're ahead, how you're connecting it with AI as well.
Introduction to Playfi's Purpose
I'll give a top level intro to what play Fi is, and then I'll hand it over to Ben to talk a bit more about the nodes and the sale that's coming up. So, at play fi, we're solving the problem that right now, the vast majority of Internet traffic and this is growing is live content. And what that means is streamer, streaming content, video games being played, live sports, live entertainment, live media, live news. And that number is only growing. But right now, the majority of that data that's there, and there's a ton of rich data.
Challenges in Live Content Data Extraction
You think about watching a news broadcaster, a video game event, tons and tons of data. It's fragmented at best and often just not available at all. So, you know, there's thousands of hours of videos stored on Twitch, but you can't access that, you can't index it, you can't create rich experiences on top of it. And it sucks. To kind of extract that data. You have to have a human watch data currently, whether it's a human watching a football game and manually entering in the information about how far a player ran or whether it's a video game.
AI Solutions for Data Processing
And you have to increment a tournament manually and so play. Fi has AI agents that watch these games, that watch these events, that watch this real content for you, and they do it obviously at superhuman speeds. They can watch a real live event and extract the data in real time, or they can watch recorded events and do it super quick. And so what they do is they take, let's say an hour long game of counter strike, and they'll turn it into just like a text document that's maybe 30, 40 lines of text.
Decentralized Node Network
It's a little JSON file. We take that and we store it on our decentralized node network, which does both the processing and the storage. And so now you have this data. And so instead of an hour long video, you have a text file, which is easy to index and easy to use. And then we can attach it to web three primitives so you can start making smart contracts that'll automatically report on that data. You can make prediction markets based on what the news is going to say.
Real-Time Applications
You can make video game tournaments that'll automatically increment and then pay out to people. And so attaching web three primitives is this real time content that currently is just being wasted is kind of the core thesis of what we're doing with AI and play fi in general. And I'll hand it off to Ben to talk about how our nodes kind of do that and our node sale, why that's important for us.
Functionality of Nodes
Yeah. So at the sort of the core of making all this happen and this incredibly complex task of turning to live content into something that can be used, is our decentralized network. And our nodes do four jobs. They handle the AI processing, they handle the storage of that data, they handle the consensus to make sure that all the nodes are reporting the same thing and that no one can game the system. And then they also do the ZK proofing as well, to prove that the data on our network is untampered with, unlike some other nodes that maybe you've seen, which are very focused on providing GPU to other people for their use.
Node Network Purpose
Playfi's node network really is for our use. It's driven by data coming into our protocol and that is then used by people using the Playfi protocol to build interesting stuff. And we had scheduled the node sale to be later in 2024, but we've seen our testnet usage sort of go through the roof a little bit. We got over, I think, 70,000 transactions in a week. And it became evident that if were going to survive and scale our testnet, we needed to bring a limited number of nodes online as quickly as we could.
Genesis Node Sale
And for that reason, we're doing on Wednesday our Genesis node sale, which will be the very start of this network, 1000 node licenses that are hopefully going to come online as quickly as possible to help us start to scale out this vision. Intense. Now, you know, just for me, I think you guys explained this very, how do I say it's very, you know, in ways that, you know, even I can understand without sounding too, you know, complicated.
Understanding Data Processing Challenges
So, I mean, just to hear, you know, the data points just let's. And I'm going to use the same example. You use a football game and then you have a human, you know, just transferring the data. It's, it's, it's got to be so impossible. So to really, you know, have it, have a product that's going to be, you know, you doing this with all the content being made out there and really, like you said, in superhuman speed. I think, I think this is intense and I definitely think there's such a void in the space and a need for this as well.
Exploring the Void and Need in the Market
So, you know, just, you know, just from the way explained it's super understandable. And, and I definitely think, you know, a huge spot here where you guys can take advantage of, you know, a void that we've had in the space. Now. Now one thing I do not understand, and I just want to ask this question. I know you recommend, you mentioned ZK proofs. Now, I'm not, I'm familiar with ZK. And, you know, the layer, it's a layer two, I believe, EvM.
Inquiring About ZK Proofs
And it's, you know, can you give us a little idea of what a ZK proof is and how playfi is using that in their play chain? So ZK proofs are actually a total kind of mindset of way of accessing and improving data. So there are several blockchains such as Zksync and the Zkevm that Polygon's using that are using ZK proofs as well. And we're using some of the same technology as ones like Zksync.
Understanding Zero Knowledge Proofs
And what zero knowledge proofs, though, is at a fundamental level, they create a way that you can prove data is valid without looking at it. And so the very top level, normally, to make sure that data is accurate, you would have to look at the data and see if it's what you expect. You'd have to create some metrics, open up the data and say, yes, this is what it looks like at a very top level way. A zero knowledge proof works is that you can have math at the beginning and math at the end of that transaction and apply it to the data without ever looking at the data and see if the result.
Privacy and Efficiency in ZK Proofs
So let's say that we have a file stored in our network, and we know it's supposed to be a rocket league game, and it's got all this. We don't know what data is associated with it. We know some top level metadata, just enough to query it. And we want to make sure the data that's being returned was the same as when it's uploaded. When it was uploaded, we created that mathematical equation that you ran it across, and it gave us specific results, just like cryptography usually works.
Validating Without Direct Access
Now, what we can do is you can run that same math equation on the data that was returned, and if it gives us the same result, we know that it's valid without actually looking at that data. And that's why they hold zero knowledge. It lets you prove, create a proof that the data is consistent without knowledge of that data. And so that's the type of technology that's being used by all these blockchains and what we're using, because it gives us a ton of privacy, it gives us a ton of efficiency, because we don't need to open up these millions of data files we'll be saving.
Technological Advancements and Zero Knowledge Proofs
And it lets use these really new technologies that are fast and affordable. One other minor thing is that because our play chain uses it, we actually only need to do something that's called settling the state difference between the beginning and end. So if there's a million transactions on a layer two, like arbitrum, you have to record every million of those because you need everything in between. But because zero knowledge proofs and these zero knowledge technologies only need the math at the beginning and the end, as I mentioned, we can just settle the end result. So we can do 1000 transactions on our chain and only settle the final result down to the base layer, ethereum, which means that we can do many transactions really fast, which is super important for accessing this real time data. So lots of words, lots of hath going on, but that's the top level of what zero knowledge does and how we're leveraging it.
Efficiency and the Importance of Zero Knowledge Technology
Yeah. Amazing. And I think, you know, just. Just the word that you used, efficiency, I think, to say this is tremendous when it comes to, you know, hours, man, hours, or just saving times for a product or a project. I think, you know, this is a super, you know, super needed technology that is, you know, been building out in recent years that I, you know, I've seen ZK for. For a few years now, that since they've been on my radar, but I really didn't explore too much into them. But now, you know, you gave me a little bit of a generalization of what they're doing, and I. It's huge. I mean, now when. When you explained it. Now, let me ask you this. How do you get the math in the first. In the.
Understanding the Process of Zero Knowledge Proofs
You know, in the beginning? So, if you know the data at the end and the math equation is going to. You're looking for it to equal out as the same, but. But the data didn't come out, how are you getting the math in the beginning? Can I ask that? Yeah. So I will preface. We have a PhD multiple, like, you know, doctorate holder, writer person that does all of our zero knowledge things and writes it. So I'll just give you what I. What I understand about the tech is that essentially, in order to create the proof, you do know the data when you create the proof, right? So the data comes in, and you can see it. The node that's processing it, or any mathematical equation, you can see it.
Creation and Storage of Zero Knowledge Proofs
But once you create the initial proof around it, now you can run it again. So it's almost like a very simple algebra equation. You know, one plus one equals two. And now if you have x, you can say one plus x equals two, and you can fill in that equation. You can. Without necessarily looking at what x is, you know that it's an accurate representation, right. So very, very stripped down version of it, but, yeah, so you create the proof knowing the information, but then once it's stored, it's essentially encrypted and hidden, and you can now make sure that the math checks out without actually knowing what the end value is. And there's a lot that goes into it, which is why it's a relatively new technology. But that's a really stripped down version of it.
The Importance of Community Engagement
Yeah. Grateful for that explanation. And I apologize for going off on a tangent there, you know, a little left from play fly, but I just, you know, wanted to wrap my head around it as we can dig into all those. Happy to do it anytime. Like, that's what these are fun for. It's good to get into some of the things people are curious about. Absolutely. And I can't be the only one that, you know, that had, you know, a similar question like that. So I just wanted to, you know, get it out there and get a few answers. So let's get back into play fi. And, and primarily, it still is, you know, were talking about what you guys are building because this is one of your, your four key aspects of the play five protocol.
Airdrop Information and Community Engagement
Now, you know, I also see, when I get onto your website earlier, I see that you guys are doing an airdrop. And maybe, you know, before we get into, you know, the guts of play fi, why don't, can you give us a little, you know, clarity on how do people, you know, get into the, get involved in the airdrop and do we have a date? And what does that look like? I'll take that. Yeah. So it's already running. We have a site, airdrop playfire AI. And we've got people already sort of busy in there helping us grow our community, helping us spread the word and earning airdrop points as part of supporting us. Buying a playfi node will probably be the biggest thing that you can do in the short to medium term to get a bunch of airdrop points.
Details on Playfi Token and Its Economic Role
And obviously that goes live in a couple of days. Our goal for the play token, and ill let Jara give the explanation about the economy. But its not just the gas token for the playfi chain, which will do a lot of the heavy lifting around getting data out of content and getting it on chain where it can be used. But it's to really build an economy around supporting people who farm data, who create data, and then helping people who use that data to build interesting things. And the play token sits right at the heart of that. And we want to launch to as big a community as we can.
Community and Data Flow Goals
We want to have as much data flowing through the Playfi network as we can. And so that's why we're sort of starting with this airdrop campaign being quite a, I guess, quite a broad brushstroke to try and get as many people in as we can. And, Jar, I know you love to talk about the economy that you and others have designed to make all this work? Yeah, take it away, Jarrah. I mean, yeah, let's hear a little bit about the mechanics and the economy and what you, how you thought it out. We have a really cool economy that builds upon itself.
Distribution and Incentives in the Play Economy
And so the way that the play token is primarily distributed, other than of course, our initial airdrop, which kind of feeds into this as well, is going to be to node operators and people uploading quality data. And those people are very incentivized to be doing so because the network will be paying them out. Those are the main faucets that will distribute play. But the question then is, where is play being spent? As Ben mentioned, we'll be using it as our gas token for our chain. But our chain is actually designed to be very cheap.
Economic Mechanics and Utilities of the Play Token
So that's not going to be a huge necessarily sink of this. Where the play token really is used is that's how you're going to pay for this data. And you can think of things like a file coin or a chain link. And we sit in some ways between those two in that we have this wealth of data and we have these oracles that are both on our chain as well as on partner chain. So we're working with multiverse X and Polygon and Zenongous, and we're going to have our oracles deployed on all these partner chains as well.
Accessing Data via Play Token in Various Applications
And so wherever there's an oracle, whether it's on our chain or a partner chain, and you want to access any data from our network for use in your betting markets, your tournaments, your stat tracking, you'll pay in the play token. And this is really cool because the more data is available, the more people want to build on it. And the more people are building on it, the more people want to upload the data, because the more people are paying to use that data. And so I envision that many of these people that are uploading data will also be node operators that are processing and storing the data, and will likely either be or have colleagues or friends that are the people building these applications, that are using the oracles to access the data.
The Positive Feedback Loop in the Playfi Ecosystem
And so it kind of snowballs and that like they all feed into each other. And so it's a really great economic loop. And our role is essentially just to get it started. And so we have a lot of really great grant programs that are going to be the early uses of the play token to of course, incentivize our node operators, but also to incentivize these first round of builders and tinkerers and hackers and people that want to build these cool things as well as partner projects that already have built these cool things but want to do it in more optimized ways.
Future Goals and Economic Value of Play Token
And so, yeah, we eventually want to continue just like building this, but at the very start it's going to be a big snowball where this data will become more and more valuable and therefore the play token will be used more and more to access that data and then distribute to the people that are storing it. So that's kind of our economic loop. Amazing. And I. Yeah, you know, just, you know, it's just in my head alone.
Increasing Utilization of the Play Token
I could, I could just, you know, just imagine how the play token will be used, you know, more and more as the word gets out about, you know, a play chain and play fine, how you guys are really, you know, using a, for developers that want to use the data. And now the only way to really to use that data is by spending your play token. So now you said this was already a token. That's, that's live or it's coming on. Do we have a date or.
Token Launch and Future Expectations
You said it's live. No, no, it's not live yet. So it's, it'll be later this year that we launched that tokenization. And we've got a lot to do between now and then. We've got the genesis node sale, we'll have a public node sale later in the year and then we'll have a token launch where hopefully we'll be back on with you talking about that. Yeah, I would love it as we. Sort of gear up.
Becoming a Node Operator: The Process and Support
Absolutely. Now, when we speak on individuals or communities becoming an operator of a node, can you give us a little insight on how someone would have, would go about that? I mean, I'm sure there's a, there's tons of people in the audience right now that don't even know where to start. So if someone wants to, is liking what they're, what they hear and they want to get involved and they want to, they're hearing, you know, operate a node. How does someone go about that?
Building a Decentralized Network with Node Operators
Great question. So the founding sort of thesis of playfi is a decentralized network with hopefully in a couple of years from now, hundreds of thousands of nodes serving as a sort of data edge around the world. What we want to do is build this network out to scale with the demand. I think some people who might have seen some node sales recently where they've gone and set up a couple of hundred thousand nodes, for example, hoping that at some point in the next few years they require that much processing power and that much network. We're taking a different approach, which is to scale the network progressively and make sure there's always balance in the protocol that we're building, so we never have supply exceeding demand to such an extent that the rewards become worthless for the people actually helping.
Node Operation: Ease of Setup and Technology Requirements
Helping run the network. Running a node on Playfi is super easy. There's a couple of ways you can do it. One is downloading a file to your Mac PC or Linux machine and installing the node, and then it will start to run. What's different with Playfi is that you can choose which modules you want to run. So we have four modules, as I spoke about before, and each of those modules will be, you know, they have slightly different levels of rewards. And so based on how your machine, you know, it could be a laptop or you could be running a virtual machine. If you're more techie, you can sort of configure that to say, here's what I want to run.
Hardware Requirements and Running a Node
But what we're making sure is that if you do run a node on your own machine, you'll be able to run it on a pretty standard laptop. You're not going to need to go and buy a sort of a state of the art 64 gigabyte Ram machine to make it happen. The other way that you can run a node is by using a node as a service provider. And we've got three partnerships, two already announced, one coming soon. The ones we've announced with rapid node and node ops, and they will run your node for you.
Node as a Service: Simplifying the Process
So that's sort of a single click, set that up. They take a share of the rewards, but you get your node up and running. And for a lot of people, especially if it's your first time running a node, that could be a really good place to start because you get to see how the node runs, you get to see the rewards coming through. And then, you know, what we hope people do is go, I now want to run more nodes and start to bring, you know, other hardware online that they control to make it happen.
Accessibility and Transparency in Node Operation
So, yeah, super sure. And you do make it sound extremely easy because, listen, I've been in the space for, you know, just almost as long as both of you guys. I think I got in at the end of 18 and early 2019 now, you know, and even for me, I think the word node and an operating node was just something a little far fetched and something that I, I didn't have too much transparency on. But I mean, for those that don't even know what a note is? A note is just a, you know, you're, it's a part of the blockchain that performs the, you know, the transactions and stores data.
Defining the Nature of Nodes
Is that correct? Is, is that the definition of a node? That's, that's basically so. I mean, it's fairly simple. And then, you know, I always thought for myself that if you were going to run a node for a chain, you had to have a super machine. Now you just put it out there. That that is not the truth. And, you know, with a laptop, you can do it. And then you have, you know, Nas companies doing it as well, which is huge.
The Growth of Node as a Service Model
You know, node as a service, I mean, has to be a huge business that's, you know, seeing tremendous growth right now because I'm seeing more and more nodes, you know, AI nodes, all sorts of nodes being dropped in web three. So. And you're saying that's a perfect place to start for someone that doesn't have too much education and, you know, it's always best to, you know, to see something done before you get your hands dirty.
Encouragement for Potential Node Operators
So, you know, anyone in the audience that's thinking that this might be up their alley, I think, you know, we're getting a very good explanation and in layman terms, something that you can easily understand. And I think we all have decent, not all, but, you know, majority of decent computers that can do this. So I know I just use a MacBook book with an m two chip, so that's perfect to run a node.
Practicality of Running Nodes on Standard Devices
You're telling me. So with an m two chip, like a, stated, like a late model, sure. I bought a. Like tens of nodes on your machine depending on your storage. So I think the beauty of what we've done with the playfire node system is make it super easy to install. So if you can run an app on your MacBook, then you can run a playfire node.
Guiding Principles for Node Operation
And I guess that's how we're thinking about this, because to build a network as decentralized as the one we're envisioning with as many points of presence across the world as we need to make it as easy as possible. It needs to be affordable, it needs to be high yield in terms of reward, and it needs to be super easy to install. And that's been our guiding principle on this from day one.
Node Operation Simplified for Everyone
Understood. Now, now one more question and we'll move on. Now. Now, did do all chains, is it that simple on all chains to run a node or you guys are just making it that simple, like, you know, to be a. No, just throwing it out there and, you know, just a hypothetical speaking to be a node operator on bitcoin, I'm.
Differences in Node Operation Across Chains
That's got to be much different than it is here. Correct. So different chains really have different needs for what a node entails. And so it's kind of an ambiguous term, which just means, like, you are one of the computer contributing. And so, you know, there are miners on certain things like bitcoins. There are nodes in ethereum that do specific things related to, like, the network and processing.
Node Functionality Across Various Blockchain Networks
Because our nodes are these very optimized, small focused thing. Our nodes are not trying to, like, run AI that's going to, like, tell you how to make a sandwich and do your math homework at the same time, they're also not trying to, you know, do these very complicated math problems that perhaps, like some of the other nodes are doing on other networks, they are solving just these very narrow problems of taking this live data, identifying what it is and extracting the key components.
Optimization and Specialization in Node Operations
And because we've got these really optimized AI models, and the same is true of our storage and our coordination modules and our zero knowledge proofs.
Design and Efficiency
These are all designed to be really efficient and do really specific problems really well. And that means that they get to be really modern and really slim. And so it is not true across all networks. Some networks has been mentioned that we have some partners that we work with, and they're more focused on, like, the DPN aspect of providing a GPU as a service. That's what their nodes do. We're, as Ben mentioned, doing it internally. We're doing these very specific problems, and we're doing them really elegantly, which lets us be one a lot more decentralized because we can rely on more and more people as compared to somebody that has, if it requires a $10,000 server farm to operate a node, it's much harder to reach true decentralization. And it lets us do it fast and efficiently. And so that lets us pay out rewards, and it lets us do these things in this real time. So it's not true of every network, but it is why we started with our nodes solving these very specific problems and optimizing them to do exactly that.
Decentralization and Simplicity
Phenomenal. And I think just to keep things, to be honest, not many things are truly decentralized in web three, as much as we use the term. And we want the space to be, you know, just the way you explain it. And, and the more operators you have. I mean, we're getting closer and closer to that fact. and it is, you know, that is one of the reasons why myself, I myself got into this space is because, you know, you, I wanted to disconnect from, you know, the other side. So I do love the fact that you're making it super simple for, you know, the normal dj's just to get in and operate a node. Now before we move on from your nodes, why don't we just give us an explanation and some clarity on what Playbase is and what that means for your node.
Overview of Playbase
Playbase is the network of all of those nodes. Our ecosystem is broken into two main components. The first is play chain, and that is our layer two blockchain. It functions much like a regular layer two that you'd imagine, but as it mentioned, use those zero knowledge proofs so it gets to do those really efficient settlements down to base layer. But on a user end experience it's going to function anything like if you're used to using an arbitram or an optimism or polygon, it'll feel very similar to that. It also stores something we'll get back to very important for our database, which is that sort of database, that decentralized database is called play base. And so that is our node network. And so if you're a node operator, you are a part of Playbase. Playbase is that network that essentially data comes in, it gets processed, it gets stored, it gets verified, and then it's ready to be accessed by these oracles that we spoke about.
Importance of Data Storage
The really important connection between those two is that because we need to store those zero knowledge proofs, they're called fingerprints. Usually we need to store records of the data. We create those fingerprints on our play chain, which is why we need that layer too. It's a place that we can publicly, verifiably and provably store those references and those proofs. And so that's how they work together. But our play chain will have regular defi stuff. We'll have the tokens, we'll have swaps we already have on our testnet, which is up and running. We already have nfts and meme coins and all those kind of things going, which is really cool. And on our decentralized storage network, play base, we're going to be doing all that data processing and storage. And that's what is coming live with the Genesis node sale. That'll be the first node operators. They're going to be contributing to that.
Layer Two and Ethereum
Yeah, you know, very well brought out. So, you know, everybody in the community can understand. Now I'm going to maybe just, I was debating on if this is a question I should ask or not, but I'm just going to go with it. And if it's a little, you know, out of topic. Forgive me. So, you know, with so many layer twos being built on top of Ethereum now in your own opinion, does this weaken aetherium or does it strengthen it? Or does it, you know, compared to other, you know, chains like Solana or something, does this, in your opinion, does it give Ethereum an edge or does it weaken it because everything's being, you know, spread out and with different l two s and different protocols and different, you know, products. What's your opinion on that?
Live Content and Web Three
Yeah, I think that's something that a lot of people have sort of wondering about at the moment. My view, and maybe this is, you know, play fi's view, is that we need to be an l two because of how we're configuring our chain and the speed of what we're doing to be able to turn content into data in real time. It would be very hard for us to do this on someone else's chain and achieve the results that are almost instant that we need to actually make the thing work. And so because we are sort of deploying our own l two, we can design and configure it in a way that makes things possible that simply wouldn't be on other chains, even on other EVM compatible chains. One of the really nice things about building on top of the ZK sync stack, as we are, is elastic chains.
Centralized Liquidity
And I think Playfi is one of the first twelve partners that have been announced by Zksync as sort of being part of the elastic chain. And what that does is create centralized liquidity, centralized things around sort of identity which make it really frictionless for a user to move in and around those chains. So as a user on these chains, you're not going to know that you're jumping from playfire to Zk sync and maybe to something else because of the sort of the unified experience. But as a builder, you're definitely going to feel the speed of the playfire chain. And because we're not doing, you know, high end financial banking settlements on our chain, we need, we can optimize for speed rather than, you know, it taking 15 minutes to verify the data.
Business and Competition
So that's one of the advantages we have from that jar. I don't know if there's anything else that sort of comes to mind for you. Yeah, I'm even just going to answer the question like a little more pointedly, which is, I think it's overall good in that more business, more commerce, more competition, I think is always good. I mean, I love when there are 100 local stores and not one Walmart. And I think that when you have big winners like Ethereum, it's really great. And it's an awesome place for a solid place to build. But it is really great that organizations like ours can break out these secondary opportunities, have all the robustness and security of something like Ethereum, but get to optimize for those specific scenarios.
The Situation of L2s
Now that's not to say that every small business or every blockchain is useful or good or will survive. I think we'll see out of the many l two s that are coming out, we'll see the winners that are doing things that are either something very specific to their product, like us, or something very generally useful. Let's say, like arbitrum will emerge as, I think, the ones that are meaningful and the people that are launching l two s just for the sake of having an l two or, look, we're 0.1% faster than this other l two, I don't think, really add value, but I do think that specialized chains on Ethereum, or specialized technologies or products and generalized ones that are widely used, I think are both great ads to the network.
Correcting Fragmentation
And we're working on correcting a lot of the fragmentation that comes along with that. As I mentioned, with things like elastic change, with things like cross chain swaps or interoperability. So I think it's a value add, personally. Yeah, love the answers. And it's just definitely a, I'm pretty happy I did ask the question because I, you know, it's definitely, you know, good to hear the aspects. And, you know, what you guys really believe is, you know, good for the Ethereum blockchain because, you know, I was, I had mixed feelings about it as well.
Choice and Interoperability
And, and just because there's just, like you just said, there's just so many l two s out there and it's just, it becomes overwhelming at times. But, you know, and a key aspect of it is interoperability as well. And I think, you know, that's so vital to sustainability. It's not funny moving forward. So I appreciate, you know, giving, giving you truthful answers there. And, and, you know, it possibly is beneficial for, you know, aetherium to have, you know, all these l two s building on it and it's not really weakening the system but it's giving, you know, personnel, people more choices.
Community and Growth
Like you said, rather than shopping at a superstore, you have, you have your decision to make on a bunch of different protocols. Just to add on to that, if we have sort of 5000 builders building on play fi and we're available cross chain, our data is cross chain and no one else knows about what we're doing, then we will have achieved our goal. Because the goal of Playfi is to be a cross chain protocol and to be really for people building on top of great data. And so if our node operators know about us because they're contributing to the network and we've got some great builders working on the platform but the rest of the world doesn't, they're just seeing the fruit of the network, then I'd be really happy.
Data Edge Network
Absolutely. Now, you know, I'm going to move on right now and maybe just talk about, you know, your data edge network and give us a little clarity on this. And again for anyone in the community, Playfi has it, you know, their own website, you can go on and read through it. You know, as I understand, you know, sometimes you miss some things that are being spoken on. But I think, you know, on their website they definitely have full dialogue and literature that you can get a pretty good understanding on what exactly they're doing and they're being pretty transparent about it and not leaving things out.
Insight on Data Edge Network
So I think their website has done well and I implore anyone in the community that's loving what they're hearing to go on their website and check it out as well. So, so yeah, back to that. Why don't you give us a little insight on your data edge network and does that, does that implement how the Oracles work or they work hand in hand? How does that look? Yeah, so that data edge network is actually a play base that we spoke about. It is that node network. But I think it's probably worth digging a bit more into sort of why and even how it interacts with those oracles.
Solving Problems Together
And so we actually, this is a problem that we're solving for ourselves and that means that we get to really start from a place of knowing that this is a product people are going to use. We've also now had the luxury of talking to many partner projects. You can certainly check out our Twitter if you want to see all the awesome groups that we're partnering with because they're solving or having these problems too, and we're going to work together to solve it, which is that it sucks to rely on these centralized services for these things. Using a data edge network is a huge advantage when you don't want to be paying Amazon thousands, tens of thousands of dollars in storage fees or processing fees.
Playfi's Background
We came from a background in game development previously. A lot of us have leadership at Playfi. We came from an organization called Battlefly. We were a game on arbitrum, and we actually were incurring tens of thousands of dollars, not an exaggeration, every single month in storage and processing costs from AWS. And that was one of the big catalysts us, for us to look at this and say, like, all we're really doing is storing this data and we're not even getting to leverage it because this data wasn't available to our users. It wasn't on a decentralized network, it wasn't publicly actionable, it wasn't tied into web three primitives, but we still had to store it.
The Problem with Centralized Services
And so it felt stupid. Like, why are we paying AWS $20,000 a month if our users don't even get it? They're still scraping our website to try and get the stats about this game that they want to play. Play. And then as we started talking to more and more of these partners and more people in the industry, they were also like, yeah, like it, you know, it sucks. Like, we want to build these experiences on top of it, but there really isn't a good way to do it. It's hard to do things like extract analytics. It's hard to do things like, you know, make publicly accessible.
Feedback from the Industry
It's hard to tie into web three primitives. And so I was on a panel with, you know, several people in the AI space recently, and they were saying the same thing is that I, their biggest cost is running AI models and processing on Amazon or Google servers. They have to just pay Google to run their things. And man, that sucks. And so we are very much aligned with the logistics of, it is just better. It is strictly better. It is ethically better. It is more democratized. It is more fair, it is more equitable.
Alignment with Community and Partners
It aligns us and what we're building with our community and with our partners to use a decentralized edge network, to use playbase. And that's because we don't have to rely on a single entity that can turn on or offer access at will. We don't have to rely on the single entity that we're paying. Instead, we get to make money. We, as in the community, the node operators play five. We get to make money on this valuable data. And then instead of hoarding it like something like Google does, we get to take that money and that data and give it back out to our community, to our partners and to our node operators.
Core Thesis of the Data Edge Network
And so the wealth in data, the wealth in these systems, it is something that we get to be a little, you know, greedy is not the right word, but we get to do this from a sense that like we want to be financially aligned and logistically aligned with creating this network. And so that's really the core thesis of this data edge network of Playbase is let's not be shoveling an unbelievable amount of money and trust and reliance onto these closed off, expensive private services, and instead let's make it available to the people that want to use this data, that want to support this network and actually build into a decentralized thesis because it just makes financial sense for sure.
The Costs of Centralized Services
And it's kind of crazy. Here you are paying, you know, like you said, aws, tens of thousands of dollars and, you know, and let's, let's just call it what it is. And I'm sure they're using your data and making money that way as well. So, you know, they're definitely double dipping there. And, and we all know moving ahead as time goes by, data is becoming, you know, more and more people are becoming educated about their data and I think the future holds, you know, individuals being in charge of their own data, I think, I mean, maybe think is not the word I should be using, but I hope that it goes that way because I think it's just a dinosaur model that these behemoths are collecting all your data and being rewarded handsomely for it.
Security in Running a Node
Now when it comes to, you know, let's say, running a node for playfly right now, the data that's part of your system. And do you guys collect all that data or is it niched out? Is it separated out so that you're just collecting specific data? So what comes into our system is video feeds and we get to actually start, I'll talk a little bit about privacy and security here at the same time. So the data that comes in is, first off, all opt in data. And it's a broad spectrum of data, but it's data that's already either being given to us freely by the people that are uploading it.
Public Data and Security
Or in a public space, you can think something like a stream on Twitch or a broadcast on tv. So we get to start from a really good place, which is we're only collecting this general, already public data, and then we're only extracting out these key elements from it. So we're not storing entire video files. That's expensive, that's slow, that's arduous. We're processing those video files and then turning them into, as mentioned, these small text packets. And so what we're left with is really just this really public data that has a really good starting point for security.
Efficient Data Storage
And we take that data and we store it on our network, and now people can run those queries on it again. It's of course encrypted the way we store it. We take the data, we cut it up into many different pieces, duplicate it many times, and store it in different places around the world. So we're able to reduce latency by having these very, very tiny text packets essentially cut up, and that can be recombined using our services to give us really efficient speed. And again, nothing at any point, even though we're not storing private data, we're not storing insensitive information.
Security Measures
All that data is still encrypted, all the data is still super secure because no single node has all of that data. They have these cut up little bits and snippets, and they need to be reassembled by the network which uses those zero knowledge proofs. And so we get to do a lot of really cool things with security and scalability and stability. And we also have some really good company ethics around that in terms of like industry standards around everything, you know, two factor authentication, all accounts, the very bare minimums. But, you know, general ethics of like security and responsibility for the company, smart contracts, all audited.
High Standards for Security
It's going to be a very expensive, we're getting close to needing to do this as our main net is getting built out and all of our infrastructure, very expensive audits from reputable people. That includes already our test that has received some audits, are many of our smart contract using for our nodes already have audits, and those are going to be, I think they're already public and viewable. So we are doing best industry standards on everything that we're doing, and that extends to just the way we're storing and handling data.
Commitment to Privacy
So we're very concerned about security, very concerned about privacy, and it is something that we're taking seriously I think you need to, if you're going to be handling any kind of information. Yeah. Just, you know, how should I say? Just love the way you guys are putting it out there and really, you know, informing the community and making it very easy to understand. As you know, I think I've had a wealth of education just in this short space more than I have by reading up on it.
Looking Forward
So I do appreciate how you guys have explained it and, you know, definitely look forward to what you guys are building and continue, you know, in web three. Now, moving on here, how do now, you know, I see your numbers on, if you hit the, you know, the points on the airdrop on your website, I see you do have a decent number of participants now when we talk about growth and played. Bye. I know before you said that you guys have seen your numbers increase, you know, hand over fist.
Challenges in Awareness
Now, can you, can you give us a little clarity on, you know, what hurdles or what things have worked best to get you guys to get knowledge of playfy out in web three and what has worked best for you? Or maybe what was the biggest hurdle? I think one of the biggest hurdles has been we are breaking new ground. For some reason, up until playfi, no one sort of thought about this idea of taking live content, which makes up half of all Internet traffic, and bridging that to web three and vice versa.
Breaking New Ground
No one's thought about bringing those two together in the way that playfi is. And so just explaining what it is we're doing and how it works has been hard.
Challenges in Community Engagement
Right? Because everyone's like, is this a meme coin on Solana, or is this sort of, you know, another narrative that I can ape into? So that's been hard. Like, and breaking new ground always is. I think the, what's worked for us is we've got some really great community members, and I can see some of them on the call now, like, that they'll jump in. And I see them on Twitter explaining this to people. I see them in discord, like, explaining how this might work, and that's made it easier. And then maybe the secret weapon we have is we've already got people in our community starting to build on top of playfast protocol. Like, they're already starting to build interesting use cases. And so when we talk to people, we can say, we'll take a look at this. Like someone's already built what a prediction market based on playfis data might look like. And we can kind of point them at that. So, yeah, it's kind of like, I think community wins. And an a plus probably knows that better than almost anyone.
The Impact of Community Support
Right. If you have a community that is behind you and understands what you're doing, it's. It's a huge amount of wind in your sails. Yeah, definitely agree there. And, you know, just being open and honest to your community as well. And, and, I mean, we're all human. Mistakes are always made. And, you know, the Lord knows I make tons of them. And just, you know, being upfront and communication is key with your community. And I think you'll get a, you know, a small, you know, a small network of warriors that stand behind you. And like you said, you have members of your own community just, you know, helping out when. When not asked to. And I think that is a huge start to getting, you know, the information out there in the. In the right avenues. And also the way you guys have went about explaining it is, is, you know, better than. Than 99% of the AMA's I've been on, because, let's face it, a lot of, I think I'm pretty, you know, I'm fairly intelligent. I'm an average person. I consider myself, you know, neck and neck with the average person. My brain works every day. And, and I still did not have full understanding of, you know, running a node or, you know, how. How intricate it was.
Understanding Node Operation and Accessibility
And I think you guys, you know, put it out there pretty easy to get a full understanding and really grasp that it is possible for people that are living their daily lives in web three. And now they understand, hey, this can be something that I, you know, I want to do, moving on. And, and I think that's a huge hurdle that you're getting past, because before this ama, there was no thought in my head that even I can run a node myself. I thought I needed a supercomputer, which was as crazy as it sounds, a crazy, you know, crazy understanding, and, you know, not true to be. To be. To be accurate. So definitely, you know, looking forward to this. And it's something that maybe even, you know, I get myself involved. And I hope some people that are in the community are also thinking that as well. Now, you guys have a server that's open, right?
Engagement Methods and Information Access
We do. So we have a discord that you can join, and you can find that on our website. Play Fi AI is kind of our main hub where you can find all of our socials. You can follow us on Twitter, if you aren't already. We're obviously keeping all of our posts up to date there. But discord is also a great place to just ask questions. So, especially as you approach the no sale Genesis license here, people are asking a lot of, like, the nitty gritty about what are the tech requirements? And like, you know, can I run more than one? What's the timeline? So if you have any more questions, like dig into there, like we are in this discord. We're around. We have a great moderation team. So please join our discord to chat with us. We also have a telegram group, of course. And yeah, all those are available on our website. Play five AI.
Node Performance and Computer Resources
Of course. Now, you know, one more question I need to ask. Now, if someone downloads, you know, to run a node, does this hamper the performance of your computer while the node is running? Does your computer run normal? Or is it. Is it going to interfere with things? Or is this built to work hand in hand with what you do on your computer while the node is operating? It's a really good question. So it does take up resources. Of course, it is not designed to maximize and totally stress out your computer fully. You'll be able to use it. I think the reason it's modular and we didn't dig too much into this, we want touch on it, is that you can turn on and off those individual modules. And so you have the AI module, which is going to be something that's more gpu intensive.
Modularity and Resource Management
And you have the zero knowledge proof module, which is more cpu intensive. The storage module, of course, relies on having storage. Right. And so if you're running out of space on your computer to store files, you can turn off your storage module if you are going to be playing a video game, right? Like, I know when I'm playing Apex Legends, I'm going toggle off my AI modules because I want to make sure that my graphics card is fully dedicated to gaming. And when I'm done with my session, I can turn them back on. And so that modularity and flexibility ensures that, like, even the resources that this node is using up, when you don't want it to be using up those resources, you can turn it off without any risk. Yeah, intense. And I think, you know, that's a beautiful. That's a beautiful thing to be able to turn it off and. And, you know, utilize your computer's full power when needed.
Usability and User Experience
And I, you know, just a huge. A huge aspect to your protocol. And I think it's super beneficial for people that want to get involved because, you know, that's got to be a question people are asking themselves, is this something that's going to dedicate my whole computer power, you know, yeah, it won't. Dedicate your whole computer power. I mean, even running fully, if it really depends, of course, on your computer, right. If you're running this on a ten year old laptop, you probably can't play Fortnite while you're running it. But on a new computer, you know, you're generally going to be fine to be running everything all at once. And then, of course, if you really want to squeeze out that extra performance, you have that modularity. So I imagine when I'm doing regular computer tasks, when I'm browsing the Internet, watching YouTube videos, I'll just leave it running. But when I do more intensive tasks, if I'm, you know, editing a video, I'll probably turn some modules off just so that I can optimize it.
Closing Thoughts and Community Engagement
But that'll be the choice that you can make. But for most people, I think just leaving it running most of the time is going to be more than good. Great answer. Now, I think I've asked a lot of the questions that I did have. If I failed to go over anything that you wanted to go over specifically, I asked you to share this and. Or if, you know, we did go over things thoroughly and you're satisfied with the questions I asked you, let us know. I think we've covered a heap of ground. I guess the thing I'd love people to really understand about Playfires is I think we built a real technical moat for the protocol. The way that we turn content into data and we do it as quickly as we do. We've got a provisional pattern for, and we've got other patterns coming online around how the protocol works.
Future Prospects and Community Vision
It's taken an enormous amount of research and prototyping to get it to a level where we wanted, and we could actually sort of go out to the world and say, we can turn whatever you're watching or playing or streaming into data that can be used almost immediately and do it not just reliably with 100% accuracy, but do it at scale and do it in a way that wouldn't, you know, sort of would be an economic model that works. And so I think at some point in the next year, hopefully a lot more people sort of clue into just how powerful it is, what we're doing. No doubt there'll be some copycats, but right now we're sort of out forging a very new frontier for web three. And I think what's exciting for me is that I think watching, consuming, creating content is something the world loves to do.
Call to Action and Community Work
And if we can connect web three into that, we're going to see a lot more effortless adoption for I guess, the technology we all love. So yeah, I'm pretty excited about what we're building. There's a lot of reasons to be optimistic. Absolutely agreed. And I know that the node sale is just a few days away now. Is there still openings for people to get involved and if so, how do they go about that? So it's first come, first serves on August 14, which is this Wednesday at 10:00 a.m. eastern standard Time in New York. So the reason we're doing it, there's no whitelist or anything like that, is we want this as decentralized as we can.
Decentralization in Node Sales
We want to have as many people running a node as we can. And what we don't want is someone to run a bot and you know, by all thousand and then we have a network, but it's not decentralized. So that's how we're doing it. You can jump into our discord and get the Genesis role, which doesn't give you early access to a node, but means if you do get the Genesis role and buy a Genesis node, we give you three times the airdrop points. So it's 2500 points that you get for buying a node and as well as all the other rewards you get. But if you have the genesis role from our discord, you get three times that. So that's the thing you can do between now and 10:00 a.m. on Wednesday the 14th.
Incentives and Future Opportunities
But yeah, 1st come first served, which I think is how it should be. Web three. Yeah, most. So in most circumstances it does work better than the way, you know, the way the other ways of doing it. But I think if for those that were, you know, minting projects back in 2012, gas was huge and a lot of people were left out of a lot of things. So I think, you know, in certain instances the pre sale works and then, you know, in other aspects, first come first serve works as well. But when you get to something that's just so exclusive and limited and you know, maybe something that's just so out there and there are advantages that people can get on top of others.
Competitive Node Offering
So I think pre sale works. But I definitely agree with what you're saying 100%. We'll be doing this on arbitrum as well, so gas should be minimum. And we've also got explorer nodes that will be available. And the explorer nodes run exactly the same as the genesis nodes. They just don't come with the sort of early adopted bonuses because so people won't necessarily miss out. But, but I think there'll be, you know, hopefully some excitement for people who get the first thousand. And, and, you know, if you're one of the first thousand people to help stand up a decentralized network that has a ten year vision, I think that's really exciting.
Community Appreciation and Closing Remarks
There should be a reward for that. So hopefully people get in. Amazing. You know, I'm definitely looking forward to this. And, and I just want to, give a huge shout out to the community for those that, you know, gave us a little bit of your time this afternoon on a Monday to listen in and gain some true education because I know I gathered a wealth of information just in this short hour, but I do, I am grateful and I do appreciate everybody that gives a little bit of their time to these spaces because they're super important. I am grateful to you. And as well as, you know, Ben and Gyro here, I think they are articulate and well spoken and really put it in a form that you can really wrap your head around and grasp where that might not happen so often in web three.
Final Thoughts and Connection
So I do give you a bravo for that as well, Gyro and Ben, and thank you very much for your time this evening. Thank you, folks. Yeah, and I'll leave it to you guys to, you know, maybe just wrap it up with a final statement. I actually, I tend to wrap these up the same way. And it is actually more appropriate the way I usually wrap because of how community focused a plus is. So I always close these with a call out to people listening if what we spoke about today connects with you, if you're interested, if you're curious, if you want to use this technology, if you know somebody or a team or a company or a protocol, if you know people or you are people that think this would be cool and want to work with us, please reach out to us.
Invitation for Collaboration
We want to be a value add to as many people and organizations and companies and communities as possible, because that's the role we really see play fi taking in the ecosystem. It's why we've been able to partner with so many other chains and networks and gaming organizations because we're not competing with them. We're adding value to their system. So if you think we can be a value add to you. And again, this is even more appropriate to a community, like a bliss who is a strong community. You all know the importance of community and how to work together to build really cool stuff and to create strong community sentiment. Please reach out to us.
Engagement Channels
You can reach out to us on Twitter. You can reach out to us on Telegram or on discord. We love to work with you. We'd love to talk about what your ideas are and how this is going to look. So please check and chat with us if that makes sense. And it was great to be here and I hope to hear from ablest and all of your community in the future. Appreciate that. And Gyro, I gave you a follow. And Ben, can you share your page again, if you don't mind, publicly?
Contact Information for Future Engagements
Absolutely. Arias underscore XYZ on everything. So Arias is a Ari as a. Ri U S. Underscore Xyz got you. And I gave you a follow as well. And I wish you guys most success moving forward, and I wish everybody a joyful and prosperous evening.
