Space Summary
The Twitter Space ️ How College Coaches Evaluate Talent in Person hosted by SportsForceBB. The Twitter space session delved into the intricate world of talent evaluation by college coaches in person, shedding light on the key qualities sought, the importance of strategic positioning and persistence, leveraging success stories, academic excellence, and the evolving landscape of college recruitment. The discussion emphasized the significance of personal branding, feedback, and mentorship in enhancing recruitment prospects, offering valuable insights and strategies to uncommitted players aspiring to secure offers from best-fit colleges.
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Questions
Q: What are the key qualities that college coaches seek during talent evaluations?
A: College coaches prioritize skills, attitude, work ethic, and coachability in prospective recruits.
Q: How can uncommitted players increase their chances of receiving college offers?
A: Uncommitted players should strategically position themselves, seek guidance, and leverage success stories to enhance their recruitment prospects.
Q: Why is personal branding important in the college recruitment process?
A: Personal branding helps candidates stand out, build credibility, and establish connections with college coaches and recruitment teams.
Q: How can feedback and mentorship contribute to college recruitment success?
A: Feedback and mentorship aid in skill development, enhancing opportunities for recruitment by college coaches.
Q: What role does persistence play in the journey to securing college offers?
A: Persistence is crucial for uncommitted players, demonstrating dedication and continuous improvement to attract college coaches.
Q: Why is academic excellence as important as athletic prowess in college recruitment?
A: Academic achievements complement athletic abilities, making candidates more attractive to colleges and enhancing their overall recruitment profile.
Highlights
Time: 00:15:40
Critical Factors in Talent Evaluation Exploring the must-have qualities college coaches look for in potential recruits.
Time: 00:25:17
Strategic Positioning for Success Tips on positioning oneself effectively to increase chances of receiving offers from preferred colleges.
Time: 00:35:29
Leveraging Success Stories How success stories and testimonials can influence college recruitment outcomes positively.
Time: 00:45:12
Adapting to Recruitment Trends Insights on adapting to the changing landscape of college sports recruitment for enhanced success.
Time: 00:55:45
Feedback and Mentorship Impact Understanding the transformative influence of feedback and mentorship in navigating the college recruitment journey.
Key Takeaways
- Understanding the critical factors college coaches look for in evaluating talent firsthand.
- Importance of showcasing skills, attitude, and work ethic during the evaluation process.
- Strategically positioning oneself and seeking guidance to maximize chances of receiving college offers.
- Leveraging success stories and testimonials to build credibility and trust with potential colleges.
- Navigating the recruitment process efficiently and effectively to secure offers from best-fit colleges.
- Utilizing personal branding and networking to stand out to college coaches and recruitment staff.
- The significance of persistence, dedication, and continuous improvement in the journey to college recruitment success.
- Embracing feedback and seeking mentorship to enhance skills and increase opportunities for college offers.
- Adapting to the evolving landscape of talent evaluation in college sports for a competitive edge.
- Building a strong academic and athletic profile to attract college coaches and secure recruitment opportunities.
Behind the Mic
Introduction and Event Overview
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Interactive Session Announcement
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Introduction to the Speakers
All right. Hey, my name is Casey Dill. I'm going to be speaking from the sports force account tonight. We also have sports force president and CEO Andrew Beinbrink with us tonight. Andrew, thanks for being with us. Hey, guys. Glad to, glad to be here. We're going to make this interactive. So case, let's make sure if people want to unmute and bring up a question as well that we can do that for some players and some parents.
Previous Sessions and Interaction
I know the last month or so we've done a few of these where we've also done some player evaluations, where we've address some questions that have come up by different guys that are in the recruiting process right now or parents of players that are in the recruiting process, too. Yeah, that's a great point. We do like to make these question and answer sessions. We cover all the information that we see as relevant that we think that you want to know.
Encouragement to Ask Questions
But if you have a question that might be specific to your college recruiting journey, there's a microphone icon in the bottom left hand corner. If you are on your phone, all you have to do is request to speak. Don't be shy and we will allow you to speak. And go ahead and fire away your college recruiting question. You can also dm the sports force Twitter page. It's much more effective when you guys request to speak. So don't be bashful, don't be shy.
Uniqueness of Individual Journeys
There's no stupid questions and everyone's college recruiting journey is different and there's no way for us to know what kind of stuff you may be going through in your individual journey. So if you have a question again, at any point throughout tonight's space, feel free to request to speak. We'll add you as a speaker and we're happy to answer any of your questions. With that being said, we will go ahead and get started.
Evaluating Talent in Person
Tonight. We are talking about how college coaches evaluate talent in person. There's obviously a lot of camps and showcases going on. Right now we are in an NCAA contact period where division one coaches are able to go out and watch games. I know here on the west coast, we just had the Arizona senior Fall Classic go on this past weekend, which is a huge tournament out here on the west coast. Some of you guys listening tonight may have been a part of that and asking yourselves, hey, what do I got to do to get noticed?
Detailed Process of Evaluation
So with that being said, ab how do college coaches evaluate talent in person? Yeah. So it was the junior fall classic last week. The senior fall classic starts tomorrow. Okay, but there are, you know, attorneys going on, you know, in most corners of the country right now. So what college coaches do first, the key is what do they do before a tournament? And this is invariably almost every college coach has a specific game plan of what players that they are built that are from their prospect list.
Building a Prospect List
So imagine every college coach has a database of players that have caught their attention, whether it's been a recommendation from a high school coach, club coach could be an email that they got, could be a text or phone call from a recruiting advisor or a scout. But every one of these schools is building basically a prospect list. And depending on your grad year, that list might be, let's say, for 2025, if that school is still recruiting, it might be 500 to 1000 players.
Talent Matching and Expectations
Same thing with 2026 is for 27s. It might just be a few hundred. For 28s, same thing, maybe less than 100. For some schools that are bigger d one power conference schools, they might have a few hundred 2020 eights on a recruiting board. Listen, and so the goal is you want to get on as many of these follow lists as you possibly can. Now, your talent and your ability needs to match at least a level of skill and profile that they're looking for.
Understanding Expectations by Position
So, for instance, let's just say Arizona State, where I played baseball at, if you're a 2026 right now, you're a right handed pitcher, they're going to be looking for guys that are, you know, 88 to 90 with really good stuff. Just to kind of give you a general idea, if you're, you know, 83 to 85, like you're probably, you know, unless you're got secondary stuff that's off the charts, you're not going to make their prospect list as a player that they're going to want to go make time to see in person.
Value of Coaches' Time
And that's one of the big takeaways here, is when college coaches go to see and evaluate players in person, it's a very precious resource of their time because there's only very limited number of days that they can evaluate players in person based on the NCAA rules. And this goes for all levels in terms of how precious their time is. So typical coach is going to review, all right, what events are in town or that I'm going to travel to, that I can go scout and evaluate.
Mapping Out Evaluations
Then they're going to map out the players that are going to be at that event. The players that tell coaches where they're going to be, posted on social media, email it to the coaches, text it to the coach if they're in text communication, have other coaches companies, you know, promote their schedule. You have a higher chance of getting on that actual in tournament prospect list that coach is curating for that specific event.
Strategic Planning for Tournaments
And so coach goes out to a tournament, has a list of players that a, that they're going to want to try to see, and then maps out their schedules of. All right, when are these players playing? And then what does my day look like on day one, day two, day three, maybe day four, depending on how long the tournament is. So for the Arizona Fall Classic, like Thursday, they're going to do, you know, the academic tryouts in the morning, then they're going to do games in the afternoon and then games Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
Efficiency in Time Management
So the coach literally knows almost hour by hour where they need to be and why they need to be there and who they need to see to make the most out of their time. Now, most coaches are going to go to a tournament and they're not going to be able to see every player that they want to see at that tournament. So that's where you as a player, you know, it's critical that a, yeah, you try to drive as many college coaches to see you in person because that's super valuable.
Documentation of Performance
But you might throw on Saturday and the coach wasn't able to see you throw. So you got to document all your results. How did you throw? What does your video look like? What did your stats, you know, amount to if you're a position player? Same thing. And I guess the final thing, actually, I'll leave this to kind of the next topic is how specific positions are being evaluated.
Reviewing Coaches' Notes
But I think case that hits the nail there and then coaches are going to make notes. Some coaches circle names. Some coaches make notes, put you on a one to five rating. Some coaches make more detailed notes about what they saw, track any stats or velocity or pop times and any metrics that they can gather on site. You know, so that gives you just an idea.
Tools for Evaluation
They're going to have a clipboard typically. Sometimes they'll be on an iPad or using their phone, but for the most part, they got the rosters, they got the clipboards, and they're doing their work. So that's just the quick overview of how a college coach game plans before they go to an actual tournament. Want to thank everyone for joining us tonight.
Closing Remarks and Educational Intent
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Importance of Entity and Representation
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Final Thoughts on Presentation
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Pre-Game Attitude and Presentation
That it begins before the game even starts, before you even show up to the ballpark. But how you show up to the ballpark, how you show up to the dugout, all that kind of stuff matters. I can't tell you how many times, you know, I show up to meet a player and the player is hat backwards, big, huge earrings, doesn't know how to talk to a coach.
Job Interview Mentality
You know, he's not being disrespectful intentionally, but how you present yourself, like, you gotta figure when you're talking to a coach, you've got to be treating this as a job interview. And so how you present yourself, and these are all things that we're talking about before we're even talking about you playing the game and him watching you play.
First Impressions Matter
It's what you look like when you walk off the bus. You know what I mean? When you step out of your car in the parking lot, most coaches are going to want to see batting practice in and out, all those kind of things. So are you doing those kinds of things at game speed? You know, this isn't high school where.
Preparedness and Readiness
And we're working on this. We run a postgrad program where I'm at, this isn't, you know, come to the dugout and we're getting dressed into our baseball stuff. You gotta. You gotta be in the dugout already dressed. So be presentable. Understand that, you know, if you do want to go.
Respect and Professionalism
You know, Ab mentioned Arizona State. They're not going to invest one of their scholarships in a guy that isn't going to represent their program with the utmost, you know, respect, and a guy that's going to represent their program with the highest intent of how they want their program represented. So this is a job interview, and the interview starts before you even start warming up to play baseball.
Professional Presentation
So figure this as a job interview. Present yourself professionally, talk to every coach professionally, be respectful, even if it's a college program that you may not be interested in, because college baseball is a small community. And if you talk to a college coach, even if it's at a program that you may not be interested in, I promise you, he probably knows coaches at programs that you are interested in.
Networking Importance
And word travels fast, you know what I mean? So take that into consideration. Show up to the field dressed, be presentable, wear your hat correctly, have your shirt tucked in, and present yourself as if this is a job interview. So, yeah, I just wanted to point. That's a common mistake.
Final Thoughts on Mistakes
I see a lot with high school guys.
The Importance of Representation in Recruitment
It's probably not covered enough with high school coaches and their players, but those are things that college coaches look at is are you going to represent their program appropriately when they're deciding whether they want to recruit you or nothing?
Request for Questions
Case, I think one thing is if a parent or player has a question that they want to dive into, just click the microphone bottom left and you will request to be a speaker. We'll try to field a few questions on this. They can be related to this or they can be related to just recruiting. General Q and A.
Understanding Recruitment Needs
As an uncommitted player, I think the other big thing and takeaway here is college coaches are going to recruit for specific needs that they have. So if you're a 2025 and you're at a tournament like, let's say, that's focused on seniors right now, that school might have five high school players that they're looking to recruit in five different positions. They might have two players that they're still looking to recruit. They might have ten players that they're still looking to recruit or more. But every school has a specific set of players and benchmarks that they're looking for each position.
Standing Out in the Recruitment Process
And it's difficult for you to, like, know exactly what schools want and need. I know we spend a ton of time as a staff doing our best to keep track of it, but it's a moving target. It's, it's not easy to stay on top of that. So with that being said, your ability to hustle and play at game speed and showcase yourself and perform as best as you can in person is absolutely critical because a college coach might only be able to see you get four at bats, throw two innings, you know, get two ground balls in the field, and maybe get two at bats.
The Reality of Recruitment Pressure
So, and it's not to put pressure on yourself. It's just to understand the reality of how the recruiting process is. And that means that you want to put yourself in the best position to be able to perform well. And so that means your preparation, your process, and your plan. It's important that you stick to it and that you're able to play your best by focusing on what you can control. And you cannot control if an umpire makes a bad call. You cannot, you know, sometimes control who you're going to face or if you're, if you don't feel great that day, if your timing is a little bit off, like, you can't control all these things, but you can control, you know, what, am I going to stick to my process?
Flashes of Potential During Games
Am I going to work my plan? Because another big thing that college coaches, they look for is they don't necessarily just look for someone who's going to go three for four with two doubles and, you know, in a game winning single, right? They're going to look for small little moments of how you play that are flashes of your potential and skill, that give them a insight and confidence that you might have what it takes to play at their level.
Key Performance Indicators
And so that might be how you feel the ball in the infield during warm ups between innings. It might be your pop time throw down to second as a catcher. It might literally be, you know, how you turn a single into a double or how you go from first to third on a single. Like these little things, they look for them because they know sometimes they're not going to be able to see you know, smoke that double in the gap in the one or two abs, you know, or three abs that they get to see you play.
Evaluating Emotional and Technical Skills
But they will try to get an idea of how well you control the zone, whether you're a pitcher or a hitter, how well you manage your emotions, what your body language looks like, and do you have a sense of the game and you understand the timing and have an iq to, you know, to yourself and how you play that goes beyond just what your stats are. And so this is all critical and it's part of the evaluation, and then I'll kind of finish my thought here is that, yes, of course, college coaches want to look at your benchmarks and your metrics.
Showcasing Skills in Practice
So if you're a pitcher, you know, throw with intent and really showcase your best stuff that you can, especially if you're in a, you know, in a showcase environment where you need to be able to, you're only going to throw to five hitters, maybe in an inning. Sometimes it's better to feature some of your best stuff. You might walk a guy, but you don't, obviously, you don't want to walk the yard, but you got to showcase your best stuff.
Aggressive Hitting Strategies
As a hitter, I would be ready first pitch of the at bat to do damage. This isn't a time to take, you know, two strikes and then try to battle with two strikes or really because you're only going to face some of these pitchers once, so you don't have time to just, you know, take a pitch down the middle to get your timing, like be ready to hit right away. That shows a lot about a hitter from a college coach perspective.
Encouragement for Engagement
So, case, those are just some thoughts I wanted to share in terms of, like, in game related things. Yep. Absolutely. Want to thank everyone for being with us tonight. I want to remind everyone that tonight is a q and a. So if you guys have any questions, it could be about the topic that we're talking about tonight, how college coaches evaluate talent in person, or it could be anything college recruiting related.
Additional Resources for Players
We also do live scouting evaluations if you're interested in maybe knowing where you fit in, if you're unsure what kind of schools you should be looking at where you might fit in college baseball, we also do those. So these Twitter spaces are always better when we have interactions from the people listening. So there's a microphone icon in the bottom left hand corner of everybody's screen.
Opportunity for Live Interaction
If you are listening to this on your phone, if you have any questions whatsoever, all you got to do is hit that request. The speak icon in the bottom left hand corner. We will add you as a speaker, and we are happy to answer anyone's questions. We are also offering scouting evaluations if you don't want to do one live on air, if you go to the link in bio on the Sportsforce Twitter page, you fill out that link and were doing scouting evaluations.
Spreading the Knowledge
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Engaging with Listeners
All right, we do have one of our listeners who is requesting to speak, Aidan Reynolds. Aiden, I'm going to go ahead and add you as a speaker. All right, Aidan, you are now free to speak. If you want to go ahead and ask your question, you're good to go.
Understanding Size Evaluation
Hey, question about how. Oh, first of all, thanks for doing this. Secondly, how do coaches evaluate size and how size projects for a player? For instance, if I'm five, 8150 pounds, but the skill level was high, are they, do they evaluate like, hey, this guy, in a couple years with a college program, nutritionally wise and lifting wise, could, you know, further develop as a ball player versus just taking six, three guys, 210 already, you know, physically different?
Evaluation Insights
Sure. Great question. Yeah, I'll answer it first and then in case you can answer it as well. so above and beyond every, you know, anything else, college coaches need to feel confident that your skill level can translate to their level of competition. Baseball is an interesting sport where, you know, depending on your position, sometimes your height and weight is not as important. So, Aidan, you look to be. My guess is you're an outfielder.
Assessing Player Tools
It looks like you got a diving play in the outfield. So coaches are going to look at all of your tools. How good is your arm? What's your arm strength, arm accuracy, what's your speed look like? Of course, your bat and how you produce. But what I would say is that there are, from the highest levels of baseball, coaches are willing to look at players that are, let's say, on a undersized, if you want to say, or smaller stature, if the speed and the skills can match up to the speed of the game at the highest level.
Real-World Examples of Player Evaluation
I mean, we're seeing this even at the big league level. There's some guys in the big leagues that are positioned players that are 5859, 172, 185 pounds that just can get it done. So, but the, and as part of that, your performance against good competition really matters. To stand apart. Now, the backside, the other side of that is certain positions the coaches want certain.
Preferences in Player Characteristics
A lot of coaches want a certain size. And I think you see this more with pitchers than you do with position players. But I think as a whole, the game is looking for players coming out of high school that are as physical as possible. And that's not always height. That sometimes is just pound for pound strength.
How Performance Impacts Recruitment
So if you're 58150, but pound for pound, you have a lot of strength, a lot of speed, a lot of athleticism, and you're performing well against good high level competition. Like, you're going to turn heads and get attention. That doesn't mean you're going to get attention from every top level. Certain schools have certain benchmarks and requirements that they look for, that they've had more success with maybe a certain size player, and they're a little bit more rigid in terms of their thinking.
Success in Recruitment Beyond Size
But, you know, the ultimate currency is your ability to execute against good competition. So, case you got anything else you want to add on that? Yeah, I would say, you know, like AB said, it is going to vary from one program to the next. One program may value size more than the other.
Critical Aspects of Player Evaluation
I will also say the easiest thing for a, you know, a college coach or a scout or anyone to see his size, right? Like they always say, oh, he passes the eye test, or you could see him right when he walks off the bus. Like, that's the easiest thing to see. Now, that doesn't always mean that translates to in game results, right? Like so.
Recognizing Talent Beyond Size
And I'll give an example. I manage a summer team called the Palm Springs power, and we had a bunch of division one players from all over America. We had, you know, had guys from all the way from the east coast. We had guys from St. Mary's in northern California, literally all over the United States.
Prominent Player Example
One of my favorite players that we had this year was a five foot, 6160 pound middle infielder from St. Mary's College, big division one school up in northern California. His name's Cody Kashimoto, and he was just as good as anybody else I had on my roster. 6465 didn't matter. But, like, I would imagine Cody had to overcome, like, a lot of that in the recruiting process, right?
The Challenge of Overcoming Perception
Like, he didn't pass the eye test, he didn't walk off the bus, and coaches go, oh, man, look at this guy. We gotta watch this guy. You know what I mean? And I imagine that some coaches, being five, 6150, they just wrote him off, but you watch him play and he can do everything that everybody else can do, and helps me win baseball games.
Factors Affecting Recruitment
So he's going to be in the lineup. So I would say that it is going to vary from one program to the next, like Ab said. But at the end of the day, if you go out there and you perform and you show that you can perform at a high level and get the job done just as good as anybody else that's bigger than you, then you are going to have programs that are interested.
Further Engagement with Listeners
Aidan, great question, man. Like, I think it's really relevant for. For everybody that's listening in. If anybody else wants to ask a question live, like, feel free to hit the microphone and we'll put you in the queue for. For questions. And if you don't want to answer, ask them live. Then you can dm us as well.
Academic Considerations in Recruitment
So the sports force account, my account, and we'll keep an eye on the inbox as well. The other thing I want to talk about really quick is high academic recruiting and just academic requirements in general. For 99.5% of the colleges out there, they can provide assistance in the admissions process, meaning that you likely don't have to have the same grades to get into the school as a normal student would applying to that school.
Understanding Academic Flexibility
So huge advantage in the recruiting process. We've had a ton of players get recruited by Ivy League schools, big time power conference high academic schools like Duke, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, you know, as well as high academic D programs, too.
Assessing the Academic Landscape
Now, one thing that's critical as we're talking about this topic of how college coaches evaluate talent is they just need to know that you're smart enough to get into their school and that if your athletic profile works, that there's. They're going to show potential recruiting interest in you.
Player Perspective on Academic Opportunities
So they're looking for the best players that happen to be smart enough to be able to get into their school. And the reason I bring this up is sometimes players and parents think, well, you know what? My kids really focus on high academic schools. We're thinking about the Ivy League or the NESCAC conference schools, and my son's carrying a 4.1 GPA.
Misconceptions About Academic Requirements
He's taken all these AP classes, da da da. And we're like, awesome. That's great. However, the pool of talented that your son's looking at is gonna. That colleges are looking at that your son's, you know, trying to go to those. Some of these schools is nationwide, number one.
Rethinking Academic Recruitment
Number two, a lot of these schools don't need a 4.1 who's taking AP classes to be able to get including a lot of the ivies. So the pool for high academic recruiting is a lot bigger than sometimes players and parents realize, and so just something to be mindful of that doesn't mean slack off in the classroom and don't get good grades.
Adapting to Academic Competition
It just means that you need to understand that the competition is nationwide and that if you're focused on high academic baseball opportunities, be open minded to even different levels. If you're a division one high academic type prospect, be open mind to be open minded to the different levels of d one high academic schools.
Navigating the Landscape of Academic Schools
Because you got like Vanderbilt, Duke, some of those schools at the top, and then you start to go down and you start getting into like, the Davidsons, you know, is another good example. And then you start getting into the Ivies and other schools.
The Importance of Flexibility in Academic Choices
So you gotta know kind of where you fit in, but being open minded, and some of you that are, we'll say, high academic prospects that might be at a lower division one level, then you should also be open minded to high academic d three s.
Spotlighting Division Three Opportunities
Cause some of those high academic d three s are really good and might be a, you know, the right fit for you, depending on how the recruiting process unfolds.
Final Thoughts and Encouragement
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Wrap-Up and Call to Action
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Opportunity for Live Questions
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Continuing the Dialogue
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Discussion on Contact Period
Anything relevant going on with the contact period or with the contact period kind of coming to an end in a couple weeks. Also, is there anything that players should be doing out there that is relevant to the contact period or the contact period ending that student athletes or parents should be doing out there?
Importance of Visibility for College Coaches
Yeah, I think the big deal is just making it as easy as possible for college coaches to know who you are, know why they should care and where and how they can evaluate you. And the final piece is making sure that you're targeting the right schools that your athletic and academic profile skills benchmarks line up for.
Targeting the Right Schools
There's nothing more than kind of the worst feeling is you're spending all this time, you know, emailing coaches and trying to drum up interest and you're just getting camp invites and no, you know, no real interest. A lot of that is you're targeting potentially the wrong schools. And so targeting the right schools at the right time is a huge part of this process as it just makes sense from a common sense standpoint.
Understanding Your Own Profile
And you need to know where you stand. And so what I mean by that is where your academic profile is, grades, transcript, where your athletic profile is, your skill level, your scouting benchmarks and metrics, what your stats look like in terms of performance throughout the summer and now into the fall, and then where you are on the recruiting timeline and what your current recruiting status is.
Assessing Your Journey
There are many kind of 25, some 28s listening in tonight. And, you know, each of you need to just kind of understand, all right, where am I on this journey? And then what's the best plan of action to put myself, you know, in the best position.
Targeting Realistic Opportunities
And for, you know, older players that are in their senior and junior year right now, or Juco players, it's time to start really getting realistic on where you fit in and what type of schools to target. Because the longer you're in the recruiting window with the right schools, that means they can track and see you develop over as much time as they possibly can.
Navigating Recruiting Stages
That's got a. That gives you a higher probability of generating real recruiting interest and moving into a stage. For us, it's. It's a stage three where college coaches are calling, texting on a regular basis. Stage four is when you're getting pressure to get on campus, potentially doing a Zoom call with the head coach or the whole coaching staff, getting a virtual tour and, or doing an unofficial college visit.
Achieving the Ultimate Goal
And so, and then stage five is obviously you get an offer and then you commit and then you sign. But the goal is to get in to as many stage three conversations with college coaches as you possibly can. And for some of you just need to get into stage two, first, which means you're a player that they're aware of and that they have a follow level of interest.
Avoiding Targeting Unreachable Schools
But that's not going to happen if you're targeting unrealistic schools. And college baseball is a tremendous opportunity. There's a lot of different levels of college baseball, not just d Nai Juco like, there are ten different levels based on how we break down the skill and the benchmarks and the competition, you know, at the college level.
The Importance of Skill Matching
So just wanted to share that because I think it's really important as we're half, almost halfway through, or more than halfway through this at least, NCAA Division one recruiting period. Yep. Absolutely. We do have one of our listeners requesting to speak the Virginia Blaze baseball page. I'm going to go ahead and add the Virginia Blaze as a speaker.
Unmuting Speakers
All right, you guys, Virginia Blaze, you guys are now added as a speaker. You do have to unmute yourselves. You'll hit that same microphone icon in the bottom left hand corner to unmute yourself. You guys are still muted if you can hear me. All right. I think they're still there. Listed as a speaker, maybe?
Technical Difficulties
Yeah, they're listed as a speaker, but they're muted. So they got a. So, hey, Virginia Blaze, if you guys can hear me, that microphone icon in the bottom left hand corner, if you guys hit that icon, you'll unmute yourself and then we'll be able to. We'll all be able to hear you guys.
Virginia Blaze Identifies
All right, case, let's. Let's move on. Maybe they'll figure out. Here we go. They're good. All right, Virginia Blaze, you guys there? Yeah, this is coach White with the Virginia Blaze. Yes. Yeah.
Query on Recruiting
So one of my questions was, in the recruiting process, as I talked to my players, I'd like to be able to provide some feedback to them on tools. We talk about five tool players. And in the recruiting process, maybe you guys can help. What is the one tool that you see that coaches will forego the most and still take a chance on a player in the recruiting?
Varied Perspectives on Player Evaluation
Yeah, it's a good question. I think it really depends on the position of the player and, of course, their skills. So I think let's talk about. We'll talk about position players first. So center fielders, I've heard this from a lot of college coaches. They will forego arm strength if the player can run, hit, defend, meaning cover, you know, cover territory and catch.
Evaluating Performance Over Specific Skills
So that's one example, you know, for first baseman catchers, sometimes even third basemans, and sometimes outfielders that hit you know, can really bang it and hit. Sometimes speed can be the lower lowest priority and they'll take a kid who runs a 7560, you know, four eight to first if they know the damage is going to be done with the bat. It's not ideal when a player is slow on the base pass because they can be a clog, but kind of different programs sometimes will sacrifice that.
Defensive Skills in Infielders
If, if the kids always hitting doubles, you know, he's in a good spot. You can always put a pitch runner in if you need to get that run across. And then I would say for sometimes with middle infielders, you know, shortstop, they'll take a defensive first type of shortstop where the bat is below average or is lagging in terms of the production to be able to still just get really solid defense up the middle and then from a pitching standpoint, a metric that they're, you know, willing to forego.
Pitchers Overcoming Challenges
Some schools, I know I've had some d one coaches reach out to me this year that even said, I don't care if guys are in, you know, the mid eighties, but if they can throw three pitches for strikes at any count, any time, like, we're going to help get their velocity up here, but I need to know that their pitch ability is high before they come here. Some of these coaches are sick and tired of getting players that throw hard but can't throw strikes.
Player Development Possibilities
So, case, you got anything else? It's a good question. No, I think that's, that's great. I don't think that players necessarily have to have all five tools. I think in most cases they probably have to have two or three and coaches are willing to try to develop one or two. So I think you're absolutely right. And, yeah, specifically pertaining to pitchers, that's 100% accurate.
Velocity vs. Pitching Skills
Velocity is important, but throwing multiple pitches for strikes is 100% more important at every level. Thank you, guys. One follow up question that I have is around switch hitting. So what is your take on switch hitting and the recruiting process currently, case.
Evaluation of Switch Hitters
You want to, do you want to get that one? Yeah, yeah, I'll take it. I would say, you know, I've only, I only come across so many guys in a recruiting year that can truly hit as well from both sides of the plate so much. You know what I mean?
The Reality of True Switch Hitting
I do come across a lot of guys that say, oh, I'm a switch hitter, and then, but clearly they hit better from one side of the plate than the other. So it's like, to me, it's like, well, you're not a switch hitter. Stick to hitting left handed or stick to hitting right handed, you know, so if they are a true switch hitter, if they truly hit well from both sides of the plate, then that increases their value.
Dominance from One Side
It truly does. If, if it's like, okay. You know, it's like they're a right handed hitter where it's like, yeah, they can get up there and they can hit left handed, but they're like, yeah, they're a 230 hitter from the left side, but, man, they're a 320 hitter from the right side.
Evaluating Effectiveness in Hitting
To me, it's like you need to just hit right handed, you know? So to me, it begs the question, are they true switch hitters at the college level or is one truly more dominant than the other? You know, if they are truly equal and they can truly do both at the college level, then they are absolutely valuable because there aren't very many guys.
Rarity of True Switch Hitters
You don't see very many college rosters anywhere at any level that have switch hitters that can truly do it, you know, at the college level. You don't see it at the professional level either because it's hard. It's hard to do. So if you have a guy that can truly do it from both sides at the college level, then it absolutely gives that guy an advantage.
Balancing Hitting Abilities
And if he's not good, better at one side than the other, then he probably needs to stick to the side that he's best at. Yeah, and 70% of college pitchers are going to be right handed, if not more. So. Left handed bats are becoming, you know, more and more of a priority from what we hear from, you know, from college coaches.
Challenges of Hitting
But hitting is hard. So whether you can hit righty or lefty, if you can hit and really hit against elite pitching, you're good. You got a good chance to find a good home.
Skillful Duality in Hitting
Yeah, I got two kids that can, you know what, one can hit for average one side and he hits for power on the other side. So, yeah, one is he's definitely more dominant one side. If you put him in a two strike count, he's going to put the ball in play and move the runners on the left side nine, eight out of ten times.
The Value of Contact Skills
Well, that, I mean, I think the final thing here is that bat to ball skills and contact, I think, are now being more and more appreciated because the stuff that pitchers have nowadays has just gotten better and better. So, I don't know, case, what are your thoughts on that I know at the big league level, like you got to put the ball in play more.
Combating Elite Pitching with Bat Skills
Now you give yourself a fighting chance against some of these elite pitching pitchers. Yeah, I agree. Bat to ball. Unless it's like true. Like he's going to hit ten to 15 home runs in a 40 game season, which is hard to do.
Analyzing Home Run Potential vs. Contact
To me, that's like a true three or four hitter. And most college rosters don't have one guy like that. Or maybe they have one guy to me that is a power hitter. Otherwise, bat to ball, putting the ball in play, making contact, two strike approach.
Emphasizing Contact Over Power
Like you're talking about coach. Putting the ball in play with a runner on third base and getting a run across. Like that's more valuable than a guy that might hit three or four or even five home runs and has some power, you know what I mean? Bat to ball contact and manufacturing runs and putting the ball in play and making the defense get you, getting you out is starting to trend back even at the professional level versus launch angle and trying to put the ball out of the ballpark, you know?
Wrapping Up the Session
Yep. Awesome. Thank you very much. You got a coach. Great. We do have a couple of questions that came in on comments ab if we want to get to those, what are benchmarks for division one right handed pitchers versus division two benchmarks?
Discussing Pitching Benchmarks
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Evaluating Division One vs. Division Two Benchmarks
Yeah, so the question was about d one versus d two pitching scouting benchmarks. I assume this is a player coming out of high school, so I'll answer it. I'll answer it from that perspective right now. Now, to be clear, guys like we break down college into ten different levels.
Understanding Division One Levels
So elite division one level baseball, Tennessee, Mississippi State, Texas, you get the idea, is much different than lower level division one baseball or mid level division one baseball. So I'll kind of just go through, you know, the, I'll take you through five different levels to give you an idea.
High-Level Pitching Standards
So benchmarks for the most elite level of college baseball, like as a senior, fastball is going to be, you know, sitting 90 to 92. Fastball range is going to be 90 to 96. This is right handed pitchers. The command from r1 to five rating their command, secondary stuff and intangibles are typically going to be four or better across the board.
Spin Rates and Movement Metrics
So that's, you know, very strong. Fastball spin rates are usually going to be 2300 plus, 23, 50 plus. Curveball or slider spin rates often 24 to 2500 plus. And then the vertical and horizontal movements are also really important as well.
Vertical and Horizontal Movement Criteria
And let me pull those up just to give you an idea. So, yeah, vertical on a right handed pitcher, you're going to look at 18 and same thing on a left handed pitcher as well. So 18 inches of vertical, sometimes 16 or higher is the general number.
Key Pull Metrics
And then from a horizontal standpoint of movement, you're looking at anywhere between, we'll say zero to eight on the horizontal movement. And then the, for the left handed picture, it's that those are negative numbers there. So negative or zero to negative eight.
A Summary of Elite Benchmarks
So, and that's just, that's for the highest level. Now I'm going to kind of give you a crash course. Just think everything that I just mentioned is now going to go down a few miles an hour.
Middle Level Division Benchmarks
So for mid division, one right handed pitcher is going to typically be sitting, you know, 87, 88 fastball max, you know, 92 maybe 93 fastball spin rate, 2200 plus. Curveball spin rate, 23, 2400 plus. This is not across the board, but this is a general idea.
Performance Expectations vary
And the height and weight can vary. So the projectibility sometimes, or how physical the player is. We have, you know, average d, one player coming out of high school, six, 3200 pounds for that high level, elite level, division one, mid level division one, six, 1185.
Benchmarks for Lower-Level Division One
These are not exact science rules, but low division one, you know, sitting 85, 86, you know, touching, you know, 80 88 to 90. And that still means good secondary stuff. So good fastball spin rate, good curveball slider.
The Importance of a Good Change Up
And the change up is probably the last pitch to get developed for high school players. But telling you want to separate yourself, you get a really good change up in high school. That, that where you kill the spin rate. You got good horizontal movement. You tunnel it off your fastball or slider or fastball or curve, like you're going to catch some eyes because it becomes more of an equalizer at the next level. If you have a really nasty change up and then division two to high Nai, you're looking at same thing sitting, you know, 86, 88 to 90 from a velo standpoint, a little tick down sometimes on the spin rate and curve and slider spin rate and a little bit maybe tick down in terms of the secondary and command and then. But there's a very close comparison between, like, high division two level recruiting and low division one level recruiting. So it's not, it's like a blurred line. It's not just a hard set as you get to like, lower level division one to mid level division one or, sorry, low to mid d two.
Competitive Landscape of Division Two Baseball
Again, just a little bit of a notch down sometimes on the Velo and the secondary stuff and the intangibles as well, spin rates and curveball and slider stuff has been a little less sharp, but still very competitive. I mean, division two baseball, still very good baseball at many schools. So it isn't like, oh, every division one school is going to beat every division two school. There's some d two schools out there that they could line up, you know, 50 division one programs that are at the lowest level of division one and they're going to win a majority of those weekend series, those high level division two programs from just the bottom 50 of division one. So. And we have this for every position. This is how we do our evaluations. So if you have no clue where you stand in terms of your own evaluation, like click the link in our bio. Take advantage of the evaluation process that we do.
The Evaluation Process
It's honest, objective, and we're going to shoot you straight. And we've been doing this a long time, so we're talking to a ton of college coaches and we're always updating our scouting benchmarks. So when we share our evaluation with you and your parents, you're going to learn a lot. All right, case, back to you, man. Yeah. Thank you, everyone, for being with us tonight. Ab, we did have a couple other questions come in the comments. I know we like to keep these around an hour. Do you want to try to get to those last couple questions before we call it a night? What do you think? Yeah. Let's go lightning round. Cool. Absolutely. Going on to the next question. Here we go. If a college coach is following you on x.
Leveraging Coach's Interest on Social Media
How do you leverage that? Send DM's questionnaires, emails, multiple coaches sending camp invites via x. Are they legit interest? Viewing a college team practice and then guided tour before on campus. Unofficial visit, long winded question there, but basically if a coach is following you on x, how do you leverage that? I think as soon as a coach follows you on x, if you're a player, I would immediately dm them, you know, first look at the school. Dm them, hey coach, thanks for the follow. I'm going to do some more research on your school. Is there anything else that you need from me to help, you know, make a more thorough evaluation? That's one way you can follow up.
Effective Communication with Coaches
Hey coach, thanks for the follow. I'm interested in your school. What more information can I provide you know, to help in your evaluation? Those are kind of just quick follow ups, but be prompt on it while it's fresh. Listen, some coaches are going to respond back. Some coaches are going to ghost you for coaches that are sending camp invites over Twitter. I think the question is if a coach just opens up with a camp invite and doesn't say, hey, I like your skills, I think you can do this and this. Well, we think you're, or we have you as a potential recruit and really kind of gives you some indication that they're just. That they have real interest in you, then they're likely just marketing their camp to just drive more camp, you know, registrations.
Interpreting Camp Invites from Coaches
So that's where if you just get a camp invite, hey, coach, thanks for the camp invite. I've gotten 100 of them this month. You know, please tell me why you think, you know, I'm a good potential recruit for your school and put the ball in their court to be able to, you know, to be able to answer that question or I have 100 camp invites so I'm, you know, my family and I are only got the ability to go to three of them this fall or this winter, you know. Please let me know why you guys are actively recruiting me. Yeah, absolutely. On to the next question. What are your thoughts on potentially reclassing and how do college coaches look at a reclass athlete? I think case, why don't you answer it just from the postgrad perspective and just what your experience is and I'll weigh in too.
Reclassing Perspectives
Yeah, sure. I mean, I think that there's so much, I mean, in this, you know, Covid is now what, four years ago, but there's still lingering effects there's still. I think college players are still older in general now than they were pre Covid and reclassing and taking off a year to develop, whether that be, you know, a post grad year or a red shirt year or whatever, I think is only a positive thing. I think coaches don't look at that as negative. I think that they. I think older players in general are going to better if you take that year to get better, if you're taking that year to practice, to train, to be in the weight room, to take your diet and exercise seriously.
Coaches' Views on Reclassing
Yeah. So reclassing or taking a year to do post grad only a good thing. I've never heard a coach say anything negative about it. In my mind, if you take that year to develop, only a good thing, and I've never heard any other coach say anything differently. Yeah. The hard and real truth is that if you academically are eligible to get into their school and there's no issues with the admission side of it, if you're older, bigger, better, faster, stronger, most college coaches and you're not a knucklehead in the locker room and you're going to be a good fit chemistry wise. Like, the reality is most coaches, sure, they'll take a 19 year old senior if they need to and if you fit what they're looking for. Obviously post grads become more popular these days as well, so.
Evaluating the Decision to Reclass
But before you decide to reclass, it's really important to understand why, what your current evaluation is, what opportunities would be on the table if you don't reclass potentially versus if you reclass. There has to be a plan. You. Know, and an approach there. I know we consulted a family. This was about two months ago. He was a 2025, and it made sense to reclass to be a 2026 this year for a number of different reasons. Part of that was from a physical maturity standpoint and readiness for college as well, that where it made sense. So I'm not here to just tell everybody, hey, re class, you know, graduate at 19, it makes it's a no brainer for you.
Importance of Honest Assessment
Like, it takes some honest assessment to make sure it's the right decision. I'll just add two more points on that. I coach at a junior college here in southern California, so this is a very small sample size. I'm not saying this is like this at every school or even every junior college, but on our roster we currently have, I think, 52 guys that will get cut down. We're still early in the fall, but as it stands right now, we don't have one true freshman that probably will have a chance at playing right away, and we probably are only going to have less than five, probably more like two or three that are even going to make the active roster. We have six guys that did post grad last year for those aren't familiar.
Insights on Post Grad Programs
Post grad is a college development program. It's like a gap year where you graduate high school and you basically are a part of a college program where you play a full college schedule, an eight month program, play a full college season. So you're basically getting a full year of college baseball without taking the school side of it so you don't lose a year of eligibility. Those guys are going to have a chance to compete right away. Again, I'm not saying this is like this at every school or even every junior college. This is just an observation that I had. I went, oh, wow, we're a junior college and we literally don't have one true freshman that is even going to have a chance at cracking our starting lineup.
The Advantage of Playing a Gap Year
And the majority of them aren't even going to be active again, not doing that to discourage anybody or anything. And I'm not saying it's like that everywhere, just offering perspective that, yeah, reclassifying or taking a post grad year in some cases, in some circumstances, you know, absolutely can be a good thing. Of those six post grad players that we have in our junior college this year, if they were true freshmen, they wouldn't have a chance at playing right away either. It was that gap year where they played a college season, didn't lose a year of eligibility to where it's like, hey, they're hanging with our sophomores. It's what's going to give them a chance to play right away. So there are some circumstances where reclassifying can absolutely help.
Final Question and Evaluation Protocol
All right, we got one more question. Didn't mean to get hung up on that one. And this is a follow up question to a question that was asked earlier, a follow up to Jaden's question. As for sports force evaluation, is it best to have video with trackman? Hit tracks with metrics displayed ab? You want to start off taking that one? Yeah, it helps us for sure. It's not an absolute must, but it does help. So, you know, our staff has seen thousands of players in person, thousands of players online video. We can assess a ton from just looking at video, but if you can complement it with additional metrics, it's helpful.
Metrics and Their Value in Evaluations
So when you do fill out that form, you know, just do your best to fill out the evaluation form. That's the link in our bio that this player is talking about, you know, requesting the scouting evaluation and just for players parents listening, like, the more you know your own metrics, the more you're gonna have, I guess signal amongst the noise to focus on things that you can improve upon as well. And with where metrics are nowadays, if you're working with a good coach, they're going to be able to know how to dissect those and understand what to do to improve. Whether you're a pitcher, hitter, position catcher, and the numbers do matter.
Integration of Video and Metrics
It's not the whole truth, but it is, you know, a third of kind of how we look at things from a met, you know, looking at the metrics and the benchmarks. But yeah, case, that's. I agree. And I'll just add on to that really quick. If I can get a video where I can see you playing and it has the data there as well, you're making it that much easier for me to see as much, you know, more information in one place. You're just making it that much easier for me to see more stuff. So that kind of stuff is very valuable to have.
Conclusion and Valuable Insights
I know we do that with our junior college players when we're promoting them to four year universities and we're making it that much easier for four year coaches. So if you are, you know, listening tonight and you have access to video with Rapsodo or with trackman or with flight scope or anything like that is absolutely valuable and you're making the coach's job that much easier. And that stuff is very valuable in my opinion. Yep, agree. So that get that. That gets us to all of our questions. Ab, we want to wrap it up tonight. Yeah, guys, thanks for joining.
Taking Action on Your Career
I mean, here's the reality. You being here, listening in, you're taking action on your career. If you're a parent, you're taking action for your child. That's what this is all about. This recruiting process is highly competitive. It's nationwide more than it ever has been. And you got to do everything you can to put yourself in the best position possible, to get recruited by the best schools and find the right fit. And so this is part of it. And so I leave you with, if you're serious about playing at the next level and or if you're a parent and you're serious about supporting your child and you think that they have the ability, the skills to play at the next level, then you need to make sure they have a team around them to support them in this process.
Resources and Support
So the high school coach, the club coach, if you need a recruiting advisor, do the research and figure it out. It's something that we do. We work with a very limited number of players on the one one side, and then we have a complete do it yourself membership and system that we provide for families that want to take the DIY approach. But the bottom line is you need the best resources, the best education, the best tools and guidance that you can in this process. Because the difference between being unresourced versus being resourced can make it or break it between the type offers that you get in this process and ultimately the college decision, the college career that you have as a player or that your son has.
Taking Action and Community Support
And so we do these to give a ton of value back to the community. But it's about taking action because this window, the recruiting window, just gets smaller and smaller every day as it passes. And so you've learned a lot tonight. If you didn't listen to the beginning of this or earlier stuff like feel free to listen more. If you want to learn more about what we do, dm us or go to our website, Sportsforce IO or click a link in the bio and get an evaluation as a family. And I would say the players and parents that work together in this process have a higher potential for success.
Collaboration Between Players and Parents
So if you're a player listening in, tell your parents, hey, listen to what I just listened to. Or if you're a parent listening in, like share the link to this and have your son, you know, listen in. So everybody gets on the same page. So, yeah, case, that's. There we go. Let's wrap it up. Absolutely. I'll leave you guys with this. First off, thank you for everyone who participated and asked questions. These are always great when people participate. We don't always know the questions you guys have. So thank you to everyone who participated.
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