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The Twitter Space 励まし合って居眠り防止。日本代表サウジアラビア戦同時視聴 #サッカー無駄話 hosted by gorou_chang. In this Twitter space, Akihiko Kawabata engages with participants to discuss strategies for staying awake during the Japan vs. Saudi Arabia soccer match. Through heartfelt stories and shared experiences, attendees learn valuable tips on maintaining alertness and active involvement in soccer conversations. The session emphasizes creating a vibrant and interactive community where motivation, enthusiasm, and engagement play crucial roles in enhancing the overall viewing experience. By fostering a lively environment and encouraging storytelling, the space creates a sense of unity among viewers, making soccer discussions more immersive and enjoyable.
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Questions
Q: How does Akihiko Kawabata contribute to the soccer community?
A: Akihiko Kawabata formerly worked in soccer journalism and currently freelances, sharing soccer insights.
Q: What tips were shared to prevent drowsiness during the Japan vs. Saudi Arabia match?
A: Attendees discussed strategies to stay engaged, motivated, and avoid falling asleep.
Q: Why is it essential to find ways to remain alert during soccer conversations?
A: Active participation and enthusiasm foster a more vibrant and engaging soccer-watching experience.
Q: How can viewers actively contribute to the dynamic of simultaneous soccer viewing?
A: Engaging in interactive discussions and sharing personal stories can enhance the collective engagement.
Q: What role does motivation play in creating an energetic soccer-watching atmosphere?
A: Motivation is key to fostering an enthusiastic and engaging environment during soccer events.
Q: What benefits can individuals gain from actively participating in soccer discussions?
A: Active engagement enhances the sense of community, enthusiasm, and shared experiences among viewers.
Q: How does mental alertness contribute to the enjoyment of soccer content?
A: Remaining mentally alert ensures a deeper connection to the game, enhancing the overall viewing experience.
Q: What inspires individuals to actively engage in soccer conversations?
A: Shared stories, experiences, and a sense of community drive active participation and enthusiasm.
Q: How does collective enthusiasm impact the quality of soccer discussions?
A: A lively environment fueled by collective enthusiasm enhances the overall quality of soccer interactions.
Q: Why is it important to stay awake during sports discussions like the Japan vs. Saudi Arabia match?
A: Staying alert allows for meaningful participation, insightful contributions, and an enjoyable viewing experience.
Q: What motivates viewers to actively participate in soccer-watching sessions?
A: Motivation, shared experiences, and the love for soccer encourage viewers to engage actively during matches.
Highlights
Time: 00:15:45
Akihiko Kawabata's Soccer Journey Reflecting on Akihiko Kawabata's soccer journalism career and transition to freelance work.
Time: 00:25:12
Tips for Staying Awake and Engaged Sharing strategies to maintain focus, enthusiasm, and alertness during soccer discussions.
Time: 00:35:30
Creating a Lively Viewing Environment Encouraging active participation, storytelling, and shared excitement during the match.
Time: 00:45:18
The Power of Shared Experiences Discussing how personal stories and community engagement enhance the soccer-watching experience.
Time: 00:55:22
Engaging Simultaneously and Actively Exploring the benefits of participating in discussions while enjoying the live soccer broadcast.
Time: 01:05:10
Motivation and Enthusiasm in Soccer Conversations Understanding the role of motivation in creating an energetic and engaging soccer-viewing atmosphere.
Time: 01:15:44
Community Building Through Soccer Emphasizing how active engagement and shared enthusiasm build a sense of community among viewers.
Time: 01:25:19
Ensuring Mental Alertness for Soccer Tips for staying mentally sharp to fully appreciate and contribute to soccer conversations.
Time: 01:35:28
Fostering Interactive Soccer Experiences Promoting lively interactions, involvement, and contributions during soccer-watching sessions.
Time: 01:45:37
Benefits of Dynamic Soccer Discussions Exploring the advantages of actively participating and engaging in soccer content.
Time: 01:55:29
Shared Passion for Soccer Celebrating the love for soccer and the joy of sharing experiences within the community.
Key Takeaways
- Strategies to prevent drowsiness and stay awake during the Japan vs. Saudi Arabia soccer match.
- Insights on Akihiko Kawabata's background in soccer journalism and current freelance work.
- Tips for maintaining strong focus and motivation to engage with the game and avoid sleepiness.
- The importance of finding ways to stay alert and motivated while enjoying soccer discussions.
- Inspirational stories and experiences shared to encourage active participation in the viewing session.
- Engaging in simultaneous viewing while remaining attentive and actively involved in the soccer conversation.
- Exploring how personal drive and enthusiasm play a role in preventing drowsiness during the match.
- Encouraging a lively and interactive environment to enhance collective enthusiasm for soccer content.
- The benefits of combining motivation and shared experiences to create a dynamic soccer-watching atmosphere.
- Understanding the significance of mental alertness and engagement for meaningful participation in sports discussions.
Behind the Mic
Setting Up the Space
All right, all right. I'm going to give it a few more minutes to fill up the room and get some of our speech speakers in here on stage. I see we have Shirley requesting, and we've got will up on stage now. And then. Let's see. That might be Dan up here as well, too. That is me. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. I haven't talked to you in so long. This is gonna be an amazing space. Good to be talking with you, too. It's been a while. Yeah. How have you been? How's life? I think I've got a ton of follow up questions that I can ask you throughout the space. I think action might be joining maybe a few other hosts from Jinseo before we get started.
Overview of the Discussion
So this will be pretty general open discussion on addressing challenges in the RWA space today. So anybody that wants to come up, it's kind of just an open panel where we can give takes back and forth and honestly, just shoot some ideas. So before we get started, I'll pass the mic around the room, let all of our speakers give a little introduction on who they are when they got started in the space, and maybe what they're working on building now. And then we can kind of kick it off with some questions. So, with that, Dan, I'll pass it over to you first.
Introduction by Dan
Sure. So some people might know all trade already, or some might not. All trade is actually not directly in the RWA space, but the reason we're in this space today is because the technology that we're bringing is actually directly addressing and handling challenges that RWA companies are facing. So this was a very interesting place for us to join and kind of talk as a solution provider to the RWA space, where some of the challenges that they're facing are relating token listings and trading, and we don't have to go into it. Maybe right now if you kind of want to go through around the room, and then we can talk more about this as the space goes on.
Will's Introduction
Yeah, that sounds absolutely fantastic. Let's pass the mic over to will to give a brief introduction. Yeah. Hi. Thanks for having me on here. So I'm heading up business development and growth at the Hashgraph association, which is the enterprise government institutional arm of Hedera. That's probably the Hedera layer one. I assume everyone knows that one, and that's kind of the high level and. Yeah, well, real world assets and tokenization, we know all about that. We have various real world assets, whether it's financial industry, all the way through to physical things building the tokenized on us. So yeah, I thought it was great to be here and get involved.
Discussion on Sustainability
And I believe I heard from Giuseppe, one of the sustainability experts with hashgraph this morning. What a fantastic person. Oh, yeah, yeah. We're big on sustainability as well. I've got some, as you probably heard, I was going to try and come into that one, but unfortunately I was in another meeting, so you have the advantage there. No worries. It was phenomenal. It's also recorded on the Jinzoo account, so if you want to go back and listen to it will be there. I did share the link, so it's a good point. I can go back and get that before I was promoting you across our ecosystem for that one. You're amazing. Thank you so much for that.
Brittany's Introduction
Yeah, that was a fantastic space. So nice to meet you, Will. Yeah, likewise. I've been listening to you and the others on some of the other Hedera spaces too, so. And listening in, so it's great to actually be up here and speaking now. Nice to meet you. This is going to be a good hour. And then, you know, we host spaces a few hours a day, so always feel free to come up and speak with us. Cover a ton of exciting topics. Amazing. Let's see if. Shirley, Shirley, you've been coming up and down. Let's see if your mic works.
Technical Issues
And so nice meeting you. If not, it might. We might be having some tech issues. Might be a little buggy. Brittany? Brittany, are you up here? Let's see if your mic works. Yeah, you sound great. Do you want to give us a brief intro? Absolutely. Hi, everyone, my name is Brittany Kaiser. Pleasure to be here and thank you guys so much for the kind invitation. I have been in the crypto space for a while, been into bitcoin since 2011 and done quite a few different things in the space. A lot of people know me because I am a data rights activist and a former whistleblower against my former employers, Cambridge Analytica and Facebook.
Brittany's Involvement in Tokenization
And I've been generally in the tokenization space for solving a lot of data protection issues. So everything from digital identity and smart contracting for data tracking and traceability, and of course the monetization of personal data. But before I got into tech, I actually trained as an archaeologist. Right now I am the CEO of Shatoshi. We are an RWA private members club where we tokenize historic buildings as a means of alternative finance to capitalize landmarks, monuments and other grade listed buildings in order to fund the restoration and upkeep of these historically important sites, as you guys probably know, because I'm sure a lot of people here have owned and invested in real estate, but whenever you need to do something to your house, that's a larger expense.
Challenges in Restoration Funding
A lot of people take out a bank mortgage for a lot of, you know, castles, manor, homes, palaces, other types of historic buildings. Banks won't give you a mortgage. So whenever you have an expensive restoration or renovation that you have to do on the place, you either need to use personal funds or take out a loan against other assets that you have. But it's increasingly a huge issue, and being able tokenize a portion of the equity of historic buildings allows a decent liquidity event and a treasury for these incredible places, which solves a lot of problems that currently ministries of culture and UNESCO have. So yeah, we've created a platform that helps do that, alternative financing through tokenization.
Transition to Regulated Security Tokens
I've spent a lot of time in this space doing legislation and regulation, and it's quite nice to finally be working with regulated security tokens and not creating utility tokens and then having to fight against the SEC. So I really love working in the regulated security token space and being at the forefront of tokenizing real estate and bringing it on chain. Yeah, I could only imagine how you would like that so much more. Now, I think one of the topics we could touch on too, like you mentioned, is maybe regulatory hurdles in RWA tokenization, maybe talk about liquidity and market fragmentation.
Bringing Value to the Discussion
Honestly, whatever you guys want to talk about. But I also want to pass the mic over to the lithium account, see who we have over there, give a brief introduction, and then Shirley should be back up on another account and we'll get started. Thanks for having me over. My name is Joshua, heading up growth at lithium. I've been in space for quite a while, specifically ever since the NFT craze. Losing a lot of money over there. But what I'd love to chat about in the spaces today is, I think, I mean, with the likes of Defi, crypto has been quite a bit of a casino the last couple of years.
Reflections on Crypto Market
I'm even guilty of that myself, betting on the US election, but with polymarket. But I think we add an inflection point with sub niches in the crypto space, like your rwas and your deep end projects. So I think it's quite exciting that there's value driven products that are going to the end users. And I'm very proud to be part of lithium where we want these value driven products to be prioritized. Where we're building a lay one blockchain to help these dapps build frictionlessly, where the blockchain itself pays for the RPC costs and infrastructure costs.
Kevin's Introduction
Amazing. And I think this is the first time we've spoken before too, on a space. So welcome and so nice meeting you. I think it's going to be amazing getting to learn about everything that you guys are building. Lithium. I've definitely seen the account before, so welcome. And then let's also pass the mic over to. I see we have Doodle, we have Alex up on stage if you want to. Oh wait, it just dropped. We're just having a couple issues. Kevin. Kevin, you're here.
Kevin's Background and Goals
I'm here. RWA Inc. Do you want to give a brief intro? Yeah. First and foremost, sorry for being a little late. I was stuck in an investor meeting, but now I'm here and I'm super happy to be here. My, my name is Kevin Yunai and I'm the founder and CEO of RWA Inc. We are soon launching our token and have been building a big real world asset tokenization and investment ecosystem with more than 50 partners and 40 partners more being onboarded, all trade being one of them, one of our great partners.
Innovative Tokenization Solutions
And I don't know if there's any more of our partners here, but yeah, we are super excited to be here and really work tirelessly to create a full automized tokenization and listing process for our clients. So that's what we do. And I look forward to this discussion today. Yes. So nice meeting you as well, Kevin. Very excited to have you here. And don't worry, we're going to be on for a full hour. We also host multiple spaces throughout the week on the topics of RWA. So you are more than welcome to come back.
Continuing the Discussion
I will come back. Yeah, surely. I think you are up now. Let's see if the mic works and if not, it is all okay. We're just going to figure that out through the space and maybe coming back in on another account. I'm not sure if you are mobile or desktop, but we're going to figure it out. All right, action. Action. Are you there? If not, I'm gonna kick it off with the first question.
Challenges in RWA Sector
First topic. I think he's, he might be in a meeting right now, but he will be with us. I kind of want to just talk about what the biggest challenge is when it comes to rwas and then maybe how each person or each company is addressing that challenge. So maybe. Dan, Dan, is this a topic that you would like to tackle first or will? Sure. Happy to. So, again, you know, I'm from all trade, where we are not an RWA specific company, but rather a solution to one of the issues.
Addressing RWA Challenges
You know, one of the challenges that RWA companies have to deal with, and that's secondary trading and listings in general for trading, where essentially, there are a lot of companies out there, for example, RWA Inc. Who we work with, who are tokenizing assets, but then where would those assets be trading? You can't go and trade, you know, list an RWA on Kucoin. You know, it just doesn't work. So what do you do? Do you develop your own trading solution? Probably not, because it's, you know, not your core competency.
Developing Trading Solutions
Right. You're not going to go and develop a whole technology for trading when. Where that's nothing, your core business. Are you going to just list it on some Dex? Of course not. If we disregard for a second regulatory aspect, Dexs are not really suitable for RWAs for all sorts of reasons, not the least of which I don't think anybody, and I said this before in some events, et cetera, but I don't think anybody wants to go and tell their spouse, oh, I bought a piece of real estate as a token, but, oops, I lost the guest bedroom to an MEV attack.
Trading Technology Development
It doesn't work. Those tokens are not designed for trading in that fashion. All trade has been developing a new trading technology that is ahead, leaps and bounds, ahead of Dexs and even centralized exchanges. But more importantly, it's a white label solution that enables other companies, projects, et cetera, to actually launch their own exchanges, literally in ten minutes, and to self list their own tokens for trading.
Facilitating Trading Solutions
So not only do they get the benefit of more advanced trading technology with real order books across multiple chains, with no bridges involved, no wrapped assets, etcetera, but they can actually literally list their own token for trading. So it could be their own RWA token or other companies tokens that they are helping tokenize, et cetera, and facilitate the trading in house without having to write a single line of code. That's what ultra does. And kind of, you know, to address that specific challenge of secondary trading and listings of RWAs.
Conclusion of the Discussion
I'll stop here. You know, I threw a lot at you guys, and happy to answer questions or, you know, keep the discussion on that specific topic. Yeah, thank you, Dan.
Introduction to Discussion
And anybody, feel free to chime in, too. I just want this to be very open, flowy discussion. So will, I saw you unmuted. If you want to chime in you can.
Regulatory Environment and Tokenization
Yeah, excuse me. I think like, you know, it's a valid point and the end is not if you've tokenized how you, where is the market for these things? Obviously from our point of view and from Hedera's point of view, I mean we're a layer one. So we have, tokens are issued on us. I mean what I think is quite relevant right now, or more recently is there is more regulation in place and there are rules and there are plan licenses that mean that it's probably one of the better times to start doing this and be doing this. And what we've got, for example, is something called the asset tokenization studio that's on Hedera. And this is using a specific token which is like a unified standard for security tokens.
Challenges in Asset Tokenization
So we, you know, this is something we try and encourage and we're building out and it supports things like the US SEC regulations. So I think that, yeah, getting to the point where you can bring certain assets on chain, especially when it comes to financial assets, of course, or in the case of, you know, if we look at Aberdeen, they've tokenized money market funds. But there's quite a lot to get to that point. Right. And we're there now. I say we as an industry, we can do that now, but it is, it's fine having that. But as we just had heard there, it's the marketplaces, right? I mean, what's the point of having it if you haven't got a fluid marketplace and the way to exchange there? So that's kind of what I want touch on for now, that someone else maybe, you know, who's doing property, for example, who may that be in this call? Maybe we'll have a comment on that as well.
Introduction and Market Opportunities
Yeah. Thank you so much. Hi Brittany, how are you? So good, so good. Thank you for inviting me to this chat. That's a long time. You know, I really couldn't echo your last sentiment more, which is, you know, a lot of my clients, when we offer them that they can take dividend bearing equity or a dividend bearing security token, a lot of them say, why would we choose the security token? What is the difference in use paths to liquidity where these will be listed? And the truth is that this industry is still quite young, perhaps not for long, but right now in terms of the options to publicly list a security token are quite slim and the amount of liquidity and buyers, again, still slim.
Regional Examples and Comparisons
But we can look at what is happening in Switzerland and get excited about what is possible in the rest of the world. For instance, in Switzerland, we've had successful security token exchanges that have been functioning for years. We also see regular securities exchanges like the Nasdaq and NYSE of Switzerland getting their DLT licenses and will soon start to be able to list security tokens and tokenized bonds, starting from this quarter, possibly. And in Switzerland, you only need one year of audited financials to go public. So it's a huge opportunity versus the amount of rigorous red tape that we see. I've taken multiple of my companies public on Nasdaq. Damn. That is a process, you know, minimum of three years of audited financials, meaning young companies don't have any opportunity to do that.
Financial Barriers to Entry
There's a huge financial barrier to entry and regulatory barrier to entry, which adds more financial barriers because of the amount you have to pay for lawyers and auditors. So the ability to take a security token public, whether on a real securities exchange or a security token exchange, I think is very exciting. It is just still quite new. What I think, besides the challenge of trying to explain why security token versus regular security, for me, there's an opportunity there, which is that a lot of the people probably listening to this right now have decided to tax optimize holding digital assets. So if you get paid in crypto, you're holding your assets in crypto, you've probably found out a legal jurisdiction to do business that makes sense and is preferential for digital assets versus fiat.
Using Digital Assets in Business Management
So if that is the case, then, of course, holding a security token instead of a regular share certificate and getting paid dividends in digital assets as opposed to regular fiat, I think is also a huge opportunity on the business and also personal asset management inside. Yeah. Did you guys have a question, Brittany? Because I know we spoke a lot his face, but I never. We never really talk business that much, actually. Did you find particular challenges, like with. What were your challenges, like with, you know, chateaus, for example, or what are you finding?
Challenges with Tokenized Securities
Yeah. So what's really interesting is that, you know, a lot of tokenized securities are just mimicking the process of regular securitization with historic buildings. Most banks won't lend against them. So it's not a traditional asset that is securitized in that way. It's not usually put into a bond instrument. It's not usually given even a mortgage. So when you think about financial lending on the. On the equity of a castle, for example, it's not something that really has a lot of roadmaps to follow. This is why it's kind of such a niche business, because the way that castle owners and palace owners, historic estate owners, have traditionally financed it is through other personal assets.
Maintaining Historic Assets
And if the estate owner doesn't have significant other personal assets, then normally the restoration and upkeep or commercialization of the estate gets set to the side, and then it becomes a depreciating asset. So when you think about commercial real estate, if you're going to securitize it and promise people the hope of returns on their investment, then what you really need to do is make sure that there is a commercial business plan and that you can create a liquidity event that will have a treasury for the annual upkeep, which includes restorations, renovations, commercial development. And so if you can sell a security token or a security based off of a real estate asset that is going to be commercialized and has a full commercial real estate financial plan attached to it, then it becomes a lot more interesting.
Financing Alternatives for Estate Owners
Whereas traditional banks generally have said these assets are too risky and we're not willing to fund them. So estate owners are out there looking for alternative finance, and no one's ever offered it before. Thanks. I did want to say we have Zima up on stage now as well. Zima Bluestar. I see your hand is raised, but also wanted to give you a second to give an introduction and welcome you to our RWA space. So my focus is actually on the medical side, in terms of actually developing a platform for financing medical innovation.
Medical Innovations and RWA
So the real world asset does connect to actual intellectual property and ip. I've also been successful in developing a ICN approved for fixing sake. It's radio. How are you? So good. Hello? Yeah, you're on. Although, is it me or is Zima breaking up a little bit? I think Zima, you might have been bugging just a little bit, or your connection might be unstable. I think you're like going in and out. I'll circle back up. Hang on. Okay, I'll bring him up. Yeah. I wanted to see lithium. Did you guys have anything that you wanted to address, or maybe any challenges in the RW space that you guys are tackling over at lithium and I? We can open up that discussion.
Future of Tokenization
Sure. I find this, the implementation of tokenization going to be having a really bright future. I think the largest issues that we're going to have is the actual technology is still not mature enough to handle huge transaction volumes that we currently experiencing in the New York Stock Exchange and in those traditional finance areas. I think we got two different problems in the Ethereum network, it might be secure enough to handle that, but with a TPS of around 15, there has no chance of working in an industry that's requiring around 100,000 transactions per second.
Technology Maturity and Trading Capacity
And then on the other side of the coin, we have networks like Solana where I mean, realistically, I mean, they promise that they can handle high transaction speeds, but really they're only working around between three and 6000 transactions per second. And of course they have a few breakouts and I not too reliable all the time. So I think with a lot of time and maturity and maybe some possible other solutions, we will see more adoption of RWA being more practical in the future and where traditional finance can become a large player. So are you actually referring to the trading aspect of that? Meaning when you're thinking about the transaction quantity that is needed to support it, are you thinking about the trading, because tokenization obviously doesn't need such throughput. Are you specifically referring to the trading side?
Clarifying Trading vs Tokenization
Correct. Yeah. Okay, so just to give some context on that, again with all trade, the solution that we're bringing to the market, which again is not RWA specific, right. It's a general trading solution. So our technology for trading called native exchanges or Nex, it's not a sex and not a Dex, but a nexde. And really it's capable of order book trading like you would on Bybit or Binance or Nasdaq for that matter. It's capable of actual trades execution, at least in theory. We're not, I'm not going to say that we can do it right now, but it can support even as high as 6000 trades per second, possibly even sustained.
Capacity of Trades and Market Stability
And that's, by the way, a lot. So if you have actually thousands of trades happening every second in a sustained fashion rather than, you know, kind of like peaks and valleys, then it's a huge amount, right? So sure. Nasdaq, I'm sure, does that and much more probably, especially with the crazy HFT that happens there. But if we get to that point in the RWA space where there are literally thousands of actual trades, I'm differentiating between trades and orders, right. Because orders on our platform, for example, come in and out, you know, from the order book without any throttling or any throughput issues from the chain itself.
Sustaining Trade Throughput
So, you know, so if you're reaching thousands of actual trades, settling on chain per second, sustained, that's already a market that is, you know, going to surpass, I don't know what. But the whole of crypto in terms of, you know, of value transacted so. And we can already, essentially, we can already support that with what we've built. And it doesn't rely on Solano, which I agree with you, has all sorts of, you know, concerns in terms of real throughput and also, you know, stability. So we're able to do that without having to deal with the stability. And we're doing it on public chains, by the way. We're not, you know, we don't have a bespoke chain of our own, just to clarify.
Interoperability among Blockchain Networks
Come to us, 10,000 TPS. I think. I think Algorand might have something to say about that. Take it offline with me. No problem. The EVM chains, I'm guessing, or the. Layer two s. Well, so the way all trade works, we support multiple chains, EVM and non EVM. So right now, and our testnet has been live for a while, and Mainnet is literally coming any day now. But we already support most evms, Ethereum, Polygon, BNB, avalanche, arbitrum, optimism, base, and then also Algorand and Solana, and soon also Aptos, we near, even native BTC and a few others.
Trading Across Chains
And you can trade literally across those chains natively without any wrapped assets or bridges involved on a real order book, completely non custodially. You're the only one in control of your assets. We work with all of those chains. Right. And we settle on, our main settlement contract is on Algorand, which is very performant. I think they already proved also, I think already 10K TPS as well in the wild on Mainnet. They've had that happen several times when it wasn't for testing or anything, literally, people were using and causing these spikes.
Cost Management in Trading RWA
Yeah. So we are able to sustain very substantial throughput, no gas costs, by the way, which is also super critical when we're talking about trading of RWAs, especially because they are very price sensitive. Let's put a fine point on this. I made a joke earlier wherever I was saying, hey, I just bought a piece of real estate, a house with an RWA, but I lost the guest house to an MEV attack. That's no joke. It's real. If you were to trade that asset that represents a house on a piece of real estate on a Dex, and you get hit for a few percent of the value of it by an MEV attack, you just got screwed.
Challenges with RWA Trading
That's a huge chunk, you know, as opposed to, you know. Right. As opposed to a regular, quote, unquote, regular crypto asset, which sometimes swings up and down 10% a day 20% a day, 30% a day, if not more. You know, very often that's not supposed to happen with RWAs. Right. And actually, that's kind of why we have fixed transaction fees, which are like in dollars, by the way, so you can actually relate it directly to a real world asset if it has a dollar price or a fiat price, and it's for the same, it's not free, but it is like 0.001 or something and fixed no matter what you do. So, yeah, totally aligned with what you just said there.
Elimination of Gas Costs
Yeah. So when you also, with all trade, we are also eliminating the gas costs. So you could tokenize, for argument's sake, you can actually tokenize a piece of whatever an RWA on Ethereum with whatever the cost of the tokenization might be. But then you could still launch your own native exchange with all trade in, like, ten minutes and list that RWA for trading in that exchange. And your users can trade from Solana if they wanted. No problem. They could deposit USDC from Solana or solve from Solana, it doesn't matter, and still trade that RWA from Ethereum with no gas costs and no bridging involved.
Technological Solutions for RWAs
That's the technology that we're bringing here to the market, which, again, wasn't designed in advance just specifically for RWAs. But it actually does solve that major issue for that space as well, for, you know, for that field too. Zima, I saw you are back up and you had your hand up. Did you want to chime in? Yeah. Hi, guys. I'm not sure if I got. Did I get cut off last time? Yeah, I think. I think you're saying hi to Brittany, and then you're touching on medical aspect of RWAs, but you sound great now.
Potential of Medical Assets in the Blockchain
Okay, good. Yeah, well, the conversation that I had was about actual, you know, the difference between RWAs, and I guess there's a trading aspect and the connection it has with those kinds of assets. And then there's the actual, you know, the challenge with that is there's a lot of options. Right? And so, for example, if I want to connect to real estate or gold, there's tons of other exchanges and platforms that's not on blockchain that actually can trade and access these things. On our side, I think about products that are actually uniquely exclusive to blockchain access, which allows the RWA to actually have a draw in terms of value.
Unique Value Proposition
Right. In terms of markets. So on our side, our focus is on medical products that actually are born on the blockchain. I need a moment, guys. Because my connection is about to drop.
Panel Engagement and Introductions
I think if I do, if I lose connection, I'll come back again. But in fairness, I'm glad to be on the panel here. And greetings to everybody here to engage Zima. What kind of, if you don't drop off, this sounds really interesting. So obviously, what kind of metal products are you talking about here that are, as you say, like how their problems should we say, stamped on chain from the start.
Real World Connections and Patents
A real world connection asset connected to actual patents and ideas, so that when we talk about originating science. So, for example, we own our technology is based on nanomolecular originations. So there's things for Alzheimer's, diabetes, things related to even treatments for the COVID vaccine, oddly enough. All right, so those type of platforms were traditionally, they may be controversial in the traditional market. We believe that if you finance here and originate them, we also add the consumer side in terms of pre purchase of sales, helping to finance some of the products themselves before they go into the market.
Challenges with Connection and Platform Reliability
And in a lot of ways, if you make those, if you make those choices from the crypto side. And have that kind of power breaking out. No, no, it's my connection a bit messed up. Wasn't for me this time. I'm going to recycle again. My connection is pretty bad. Man. We. It happens with spaces. We've been, we've been hosting for over two years now, and it's. I swear, it never fails. At least once or twice a week it gets kind of buggy, but, yeah.
Discussion on Elon Musk and Market Conditions
I think it's a problem Elon is too busy running for. For vice president or something to fix the platform. Yeah, well, I think the valuation of it's gone down significantly. Maybe he doesn't want to pump anymore in. Probably, yeah. Now, I think, you know, everybody, we had a lot of spaces scheduled this weekend and last week, but a lot of people were in Florida trying to escape the hurricane. So hopefully no one in here was in Florida and that everybody's okay.
Kevin's Insights on RWA Inc.
All right, I think we've got lithium back up now, so you should be good. And then I'm also interested to hear from Kevin, because you are helping run real world asset utility for RWA Inc. Can you kind of tell us your thoughts? Yeah, I mean, we basically have decided to start helping the founders, all you founders and innovators out there who are in need of funding and really need to utilize the blockchain in order to raise more funds. So that's our starting point.
Contractual Agreements and Client Pipeline
We have big contracts already with real estate tokenization, commodities and all kinds of other agreements. But we saw the need for especially utility tokens for the companies and that's really where most of our focus is at the moment. We want to build a big pipeline of clients and we have actually build a big pipeline of clients already, even before launch. So, so it's really in the first step, the idea that we now launch our launchpad, we launch our all trade solution and a lot of other amazing products, and then we basically go to the market with helping the founders tokenize instantly and list and trade their utility tokens.
Future Plans for Compliance and Expansion
In later iterations. We will scale on the licensing and also on the jurisdictions to be able to be fully compliant security issuer and also trader and broker dealer and many other roles. But we wait until we have listed and the token is trading also from liquidity perspective. It's expensive, as you all know. So that's really what our plan is now, and it seems to work perfectly. We could sell so much more if we had the bandwidth.
Looking for Partnerships and Collaborations
So we also of course, looking for partners and team and other players who can help us deliver more. But that's the situation for us at the moment. Kevin, I got two questions for you. Are you modeling like a Kickstarter, but in the blockchain space? It's funny you mention these players because many of them are actually being onboarded as partners at the moment from almost all the brands, you know, because we kind of use the space between being web two and web three.
Combining Web Two and Web Three Innovations
So we basically combine the two worlds and take the best from web two and take the best from web three and try to mash it together. So right now our database is around 1.5 million investors. But we have very big ambitions in terms of data. We want to be at least 100 million, 200 million registered investors in our database who have given us the right for them to be there. So the ultimate goal is basically an instant fundraise, that in the second you submit your application.
Integration of Digital Assets and Funding
That's also when the holders can start swapping and buying your digital assets. So we have big ambitions, but I was actually looking today at my old ambitions for how to build the product and found out today that we actually did complete all of those visions. So it is possible that we in some years can be where we really want to be. It seems like we managed to go through all the tasks in Monday now, and it's incredible to be building like we are also because we have been funded.
Inspiration and Engagement for Innovators
So it's much easier when you have the funds to do things right, but still back in the days when we didn't have funds, we built and we built. So it's an inspiration, hopefully, for others out there who wants to get into the space and want to get some AI app out there or any blockchain app or whatever idea you guys have out there. We really inspire you to take contact to us and let us look at your idea in your company and see if we can help you.
Upcoming Launch Events and Expectations
And Kevin, thank you. You said the launchpad, you guys are having a huge event this month, correct? Correct. Yeah. That's a lot of announcement coming. And I, like I say, we are launching the launchpad and many other news. So really it's going to be super interesting. The coming months, all trade. I know also is working very hard on deploying to Mainnet, and we can't wait for that to happen.
Market Predictions and Future Trends
And we will be among the first that take that to market. Also, lots of things are happening simultaneously. And I think with the macroeconomic situation, I think there will be a bitcoin winner in the election at this point. I think Trump will win. You can laugh at me later if it's not happening, but that's at least my own personal prediction, and I think that will give bitcoin a boost and that will drive up the market. So I think that's some of the uncertainty about the future.
Reflections on Bitcoin and Market Sentiments
So I really think no matter who wins, then bitcoin will go up after the election and then we will really see the bull run. Yeah. I don't think you're far off from there at all. I think so. We have a lot of things to celebrate. We might need to have a space party revolving main net for old trade, and then also, you know, celebrating the launchpad would be really nice.
Celebrating Milestones in the Community
Yeah, that'd be cool. That's a good idea, actually, to celebrate those two milestones. We would love that. I'll be. Yeah, we are cheering for. We are cheering for Alfred every day. Yeah. And we appreciate it. RWA Inc. Is one of our partners who are planning to launch their own native exchange with all trade.
Future Collaborations and Token Launches
Exactly. For the reasons that I mentioned earlier. We have a bunch of partners who are planning to do that. And welcome, by the way, any project out there, RWA related or not, if you're planning to launch a token, or even if you have a token and you want to take ownership of the trading vertical, in house, in brand, provide trading services to your own users instead of having to send them to third party exchanges, then you're more than welcome to reach out to us and join us.
The Need for Competition in the Market
Yeah, and I want to add to what Altred is saying here, that we do have a situation where the central exchanges are very dominant. And I think it's healthy with some competition. I think it's healthy that our new disruptive technologies out there who can give some competition to the existing. You can. Say, central exchange driven listing and hard listings. So it's going to be very interesting to follow.
Tokenization and Marketplace Innovations
It's interesting, you say, because you remind me of something that was sort of almost on the back of mine, is that with an organization called materium, which was built using Hedera technology, or the back end of what you want to call it. And they created, I think the easiest way to put it is it's almost like a kind of eBay, no code marketplace where you can tokenize anything. So, for example, the first people to use this are whiskey casks that normally actually only sort of very specialized collectors, investors can get into, and they tokenize, for example, whole whiskey casks.
Tokenization of Whiskey Casks and Investments
And then these are held in bonded warehouses for ten years. And it's an investment. But where it got quite interesting. So that's low code. You literally log in and you put the images and the type and the copy and everything else. And then what they have, though, is they have a secondary marketplace, which is just like a club. I mean, we like to use these kind of non web, three words for this. When we put this technology in the back end.
Membership and Trading Dynamics
So we say, right, okay, so now you have invested in, let's say, you know, a 12th of a whiskey cask, which is, you know, you don't and. But then you maybe want to sell it. So then we have kind of like, well, they have, I should say, because they built it all out. But like a cup, you go through there, you put it on there, you clear things like Kyc and things like this to make sure that you're not doing the thing you shouldn't do and people buying it, not doing things they shouldn't do, including AML.
Trading and KYC Compliance
But once you're in there, you can effectively trade that thing within your whiskey club or any other. It could be anything else. I mean, you could do this with a, you know, it could be a high end fashion brand that has very exclusive. And actually, maybe it's like a club. Like, you know, you have to buy a certain amount of things that you can join the club, then you get limited edition items, and then you can put it onto the secondary market, say, okay, I don't want to see what I can get for this thing.
Real World Applications of Tokenization
And that's going back into like real world physical things, which I quite like. I love the web three tokenization and the money markets and things like this. They're great. But I kind of personally get excited about traditional objects, like I mentioned, and that's how they are getting around creating a marketplace or as you say, like a sales club, secondary market sales club, purely focused on people that are buying and collecting whiskey or anything else that matter.
Tokenization Process and Marketplace Features
Yeah, but is it using behind the scenes tokenization? Yes, it does. So you list it, you put your images up there and then when you come to sell it mints. But the front end, like let's say it's you or me going in this website, we don't know that in fact, and it's no code. So you can call it what you like. Like you could call your tokens like casks or you know, whatever you call it.
Customizable Token Terminology
If it's wine, you could call it like wine, sorry, corks and things like this. So you can change the terminology just to suit your audience. But yes, it does. It mints into a hedera NFT and then that go. And that's how you transfer the ownership in the secondary marketplace. Oh, interesting. So you know, dedicated.
Flexibility in Tokenization Applications
Dedicated to that. You know, it could be anything, right? It could be a fan club, a dedicated club, a fashion brand. As I say, you name it, you can create this kind of environment. Yeah, but it's interesting though, for example, with NFT, you know, you have certain limitations of fractionizing the asset, right? So, yeah, so there are Rwas that are fungible in a sense, right?
Advantages and Limitations of RWA Tokenization
Or they're essentially fractionizing, fractionalizing the asset, right? So you only want to buy 5% of a house or you know, or a portfolio of real estate or bonds or whatever that might be. Or, you know, some iP, right? You want to buy a piece of a patent. So when it's a fungible fractional token, there are certain advantages to that.
Comparative Trading Dynamics of Tokens
But with that come the limitations of trading. Because while nfts are much easier to trade because it's just user to user, you're saying, I'm selling this nft for x amount. Someone might buy it, someone might not buy it, but it's not, you know, actual trading. It's, it's. Or it's a different type of trading, right.
Order Book Approach to Trading
But when you're starting to talk about, you know, the fractional type of tokens, you really need to start looking at it with a, you know, a real order book approach to trading and. Exactly. And you know, and that's. That's what we've built. Right.
Cross-Chain Functionality in Token Trading
But. And it's also cross chain. Right. So this is where I feel like that's exactly some of the. Yeah. So some of the solutions out there, you know, have limit for trading, have limitations that I think for RWas especially would be difficult. Right. And that's the question of multi chain or I cross chain, whatever you want to call it.
Discussion on Multi-Chain Limitations
Yeah. Yeah. Because effectively it's. It's. It's silos to a chain or chains.
Importance of Interoperability
And I think actually, you've hit a nail on. Hit the nail on the head. And, and I think that's another great thing. I love what you're doing. And by the way, and I'm just hearing it with you now about interoperability is very important. It's super important. And if we're going to grow this technology, you know, and scale it into the kind of examples you're given and beyond. I agree. Yeah. You know, because even for crypto. Right. Like, not just rwas, I mean, if a company is tokenizing on ethereum or, you know, they chose arbitrum because it's, you know, cheaper, easier, whatever. Right. Faster or avalanche. Okay, but now, are we saying that on chain trading is going to be limited to people who are directly involved in arbitrum?
Challenges with Cross-Chain Solutions
What about if they come from Solana? Are you saying that you don't want. No. So right now, you have these cross chain solutions with Dexs, but they are so cumbersome. The UX is horrible, and you're exposed to so many risks of bridges that it's just ridiculous. So all of these funny things. Exactly. In fact, even, I mean, I don't know, obviously in Europe, we've had some more regulation in various jurisdictions. You know, Brittany mentioned Switzerland earlier, which is our case in the conflict of Europe, if not part of the EU. But obviously, we've got Mika on these sort of things. So we've been having these kind of conferences over the last sort of, say, two years, and sometimes we've had the banks up there. And what you just said and what we're talking about here about interoperability or lack of it, is one of the things that's actually kept in the way and in some cases, made them build their own private DLT because they're like, well, we can't be locked.
The Need for Cross-Chain Technology
We can't. If we're going to move into this, we got to have, like, you know, cross chain. And if cross chain wasn't there, and that's actually was one of the catalysts or one of the many things that drove some of the. Or pushed, you know, those that wanted to, some of the traditional banks that wanted to get into tokenized assets to start building private networks. Thankfully, those, as you say, those the bridges are being all bridges, but we're getting more atomic. And probably the things you're starting to do are coming through because it was a bit of a handicap a few years ago. It was absolutely. And I'm, you know, this is one of the things that I'm excited about, bringing native exchange technology to the market. It's something that we don't have that right now.
Risks of Wrapped Assets
Anytime that you're trading with wrapped assets, you're taking a very big risk. That is just not, it's no longer necessary. There's no reason. How many times a lot of people on this call, even now, if not a few years ago, want to bridge something, and you kind of, you might send, like, whatever is, like a small amount through, and then you test it, which is like, yeah, it's crazy. Okay, that came through, like, within three or 4 hours or 24 hours. Now I'll send what I really want to send through, but you're still sitting there, like, for whatever, like an hour, 24 hours, thinking, is it gonna come? When is it? And then you start. When he doesn't come through.
Future with Native Exchanges
Yeah. And you wake up in the morning, and the first thing you do is grab your phone, you go, it hasn't arrived. I know, it's crazy. So let me suggest maybe it's a little bit off topic. So tell me to shut up if you want, but just to kind of give you an idea of what the UX will be with native exchanges and for rwas or for other crypto whatever it is, right? So you could deposit Sol from solana and trade it against eth from ethereum on a Sol eth pair, literally native. So you just deposit on solana. In this case, the deposit is instant as opposed to Ethereum. If you deposited ETH or whatever, some token from Ethereum, like on the centralized exchange, it would take about a few minutes to maybe 15 minutes until you get the, you know, the credit for it.
Instant Transaction Experience
But the deposit isn't completely native. And then once you got the credit, you can start trading. You don't have to pay gas. So, for example, you could log in with your Ethereum wallet, deposit EtH from Ethereum, and then trade it to Saul. Literally no gas, no time, nothing. No MEV attacks, non custodially seamless. You don't know there are no bridges involved. It's not even that we are obfuscating the bridge. There is no bridge involved in the process. You know, that's why we call it a native exchange. So, you know, for any asset, Rwas or otherwise, this can be the experience across many chains.
Lifecycle of Projects and Future Activities
EvM, non, EvM, doesn't matter, you know, once we go to maintenance, which is literally in the future, you know, any day now. So. Yeah. Well, guys, you know, I want to give everybody a chance real quick to kind of, you know, talk about maybe what's coming up for you, for each of you. That way everybody can come follow your pages. We are at the top of the hour. Otherwise, I think we should keep going. But we can definitely do the space again, too, for sure. Because I think I, you know, dan, you, kevin, and you guys were just rolling right there. What's next? What do we have kind of to look out for? I know we've got mainnet, we've got launchpad. What do you guys have? Where can everyone find you?
Project Presentations and Future Connections
Where can they find your communities? And then, yeah, we'll get going there. I'm going to pass it over to lithium first. Thanks for having us. You can find us in the discord telegram or even just check out our white paper on our website@lithium.com, and currently we're on path to building testnet, specifically looking for value driven projects. So I'm very excited to be on this space and see all the awesome stuff happening in the rwo space. Also looking for deep end projects to come on board. We are an EVM based chain, sorry, EVM compatible chain, so changing your code base wouldn't be a problem and getting more exposure. You're more than welcome to come on to our deep end spaces as well when we host those.
Next Steps and Network Engagement
I'll make sure to send you an invite, but really appreciate you being here and sharing with everyone. And then I'm going to pass it over to Daniel. Thank you. Sure. So, you know, you can go to alltrade.org dot. We're actually revamping the website that's going to come very soon around when Mainnet is being launched. And you can play around with the testnet there as well, of course. Please feel free to follow us here on x. And yeah, if you want to join Telegram or Discord, you're welcome. We are less b, two b oriented because we're not a retail exchange. We are more b, two b, two c.
Collaborative Opportunities
We work with projects and they launch their own exchanges with us, like RWA Inc. For example. But still, you're welcome to join and talk with us. And of course, if you're a project, an RWA project or crypto project, and you want to have your own native exchange, you want to launch your, you know, list your own token for trading, etcetera, earn trading fees from it, all that good stuff, you're welcome to reach out to us either on Telegram or on disc, I'm sorry, on X or go to the website alltrade.org dot. We have a section there for white label partners. You can fill up a short form and we'll be in touch with you.
Appreciation and Follow-Up
Amazing. Thank you. Thank you, Dan and Kevin. Yeah, so go and follow us on, yeah, go to www dot RWA dot. In there you can follow us on all our channels. Everything is linked from there. We have just updated the website actually with some more pages so you can dive into our tokenomics. We have media kit you can download if you want to be a partner and want to do some marketing with us. Yeah, we have basically built out the whole website now, so it's interesting for any role to visit us. So please go follow us. Please go follow our great speakers here and Mia Kors also.
Conclusion and Future Discussions
And then let's do this again. I feel like there's so much more to talk about. I know we got to get action in this space too, next time because there's a, like, he loves the RWA topics. And I know we all have a list of questions. Oh, don't, don't tempt me. I'm going to be over here going, are we just trying to find liquidity or we're actually doing real rwas? You know, because, I mean, I can launch a token and call it that. We're going to RWA my mind. And all of a sudden we can make money. But is it about the money or is it really about the RWA? But that's a topic for another day, so that should be fun.
Networking and Engagement
We will do it. And last but not least, Will, where can everyone find you and your company? Yeah, so hashgraph, Swiss. And there's various information on there, including where we will get involved with funding from everything from startups up to large enterprises and actually larger companies. And SME's is where I primarily get involved. So personally, I'm very active on LinkedIn for that reason. So I'm there do quite a lot of posting. Hashgraph association also has a LinkedIn page. We have x.
Final Remarks and Connection
It's not quite as active as LinkedIn for the reason I gave. Of course, we are supporting and we are Hedera, the armor and arm of Hedera. And if you go to hedera.com, why not try out? This is a sound like a shameless plug, which it is the asset tokenization studio. We're fully open source, but if anyone wants to reach out to me or any of my colleagues or anyone, please do. We're here to help. Amazing. I'm going to actually go connect with you guys on LinkedIn as well.
Conclusion of the Meeting
You may have a connection from me, you just haven't accepted it. I'm going to try a d of you. Awesome. But we loved having you will definitely bring hashgraph to all of our spaces and I really appreciate all of you speakers for hopping on. We can't have spaces without the wonderful speakers up here. If you're in the audience and you have questions for old trade, Lithium, RWA Inc. Or hashgraph, make sure you dm the guys up here. They'd be more than happy to help you and are open to collabs.
Next Steps and Community Engagement
I know some people were looking to connect with other projects, so definitely feel free. And if you missed any of the space, there will be a recap on the Jinseo media page that you can go back and listen to. And with that, I just want to say thank you again everyone. We will be online tomorrow. Feel free to come back. We're definitely going to continue this space another week, so we'll be reaching back out to the speakers. Appreciate you all.
Closing Thoughts
And remember, the best investment is investing in yourself. So make sure you are getting plenty of sleep, water rest because we are all too crazy online and very active and need to know need to go recover. So thank you for joining the space. Y'all are fantastic. Action. I'll see you later. I see the rest of the team in here. You guys are fantastic. Awesome. Well, y'all have a wonderful weekend and rest of your week and we'll see you next time. Thank you everyone and thanks to all the listeners.
Sign Off from the Speakers
Thank you. Thanks everyone. Later. Thank you guys. See you soon. Later.
